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  1. It's contagious!

    From today's Irish Independent:

    http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=9&si=1180422&issue_id=10862
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    A LAW enforcing cyclists to wear safety helmets would save lives, especially
    childrens, the National Safety Council said yesterday.

    Up to 96pc of child cyclists killed or injured were not wearing helmets. The
    council called for helmets to be made mandatory.

    More than 2,000 cyclists were killed or injured between 1998 and 2002.
    Seventeen deaths were children under 15 and 329 children were injured.

    "Most parents and children don't realise just how fragile the brain is and
    that a fall from as little as two feet can cause a skull fracture. That's
    why it's important to always wear a safety helmet when cycling," said
    council chairman, Eddie Shaw.

    The state of Victoria in Australia introduced a bike helmet law in 1990
    which had been credited with cutting the number of cyclists killed or
    admitted to hospital after sustaining a head injury by 48pc.

    "Given such success rates abroad the NSC feels it is worth giving serious
    consideration to the introduction of a safety helmet law, particularly for
    children, in Ireland," Mr Shaw said.

    Dr Sean Walsh, consultant in A&E at Our Lady's Hospital for Sick Children in
    Crumlin, said he came upon up to 70 admissions a year for cycle related
    injuries.

    Niall Doyle of the Irish Insurance Federation said motorised road users also
    had a part to play in ensuring the safety of cyclists on the roads.

    The NSC yesterday advised cyclists selecting a safety helmet that it was not
    a fashion statement but an essential, life-saving piece of equipment.

    Cyclists were advised to look for approved standard marks which included
    Snell - USA Standard; ANSI Z 904 - USA Standard; BS 6863 - British Standard
    and AS 2063 - Australian Standard.

    The council, launching a booklet, Cycle Safety, pointed out it was the law
    to have a bell on one's bike and to have working lights after dark.

    Treacy Hogan

  2. Mucco said:


    Up to 96pc of child cyclists killed or injured were not wearing helmets. The
    council called for helmets to be made mandatory.

    100% of child pedestrians killed or injured were not wearing helmets

    Tony

  3. On Fri, 14 May 2004 12:18:38 +0100 someone who may be "Mucco"
    <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=9&si=1180422&issue_id=10862

    Quoted message said:

    More than 2,000 cyclists were killed or injured between 1998 and 2002.
    Seventeen deaths were children under 15 and 329 children were injured.

    So, 4.25 children a year were killed. It doesn't say how many of
    them died of events that caused head injuries alone. Even if there
    was an invulnerability helmet that prevented any injury to the head
    in any circumstances we can't judge how many lives such a helmet
    might save. They are relying on the "if just one life is saved"
    fallacy.

    Quoted message said:

    Dr Sean Walsh, consultant in A&E at Our Lady's Hospital for Sick Children in
    Crumlin, said he came upon up to 70 admissions a year for cycle related
    injuries.

    All injuries to the head only? All injuries to those parts of a head
    that a helmet covers? How serious are these injuries?

    --
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  4. Mucco said:

    From today's Irish Independent:


    http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=9&si=1180422&issue_id=10862

    Reply:

    =======================================================================

    I read with interest your presentation of the "pro" side of the helmet
    debate and look forward with great anticipation to the balancing piece which
    will surely follow.

    Will it, I wonder, draw on the recent analysis of English child hospital
    admissions showing that cycling is neither uniquely dangerous nor uniquely
    productive of head injuries? Will it include the fact that motor traffic
    accounts for virtually all cyclist fatalities, and for five times as many
    child pedestrian deaths? Will the piece point out that 100% of child
    pedestrians killed on Ireland's roads were not wearing helmets at the time?
    Or that helmets are not designed to resist motor vehicle impacts?

    Maybe it will make the excellent point that the most optimistic studies
    indicates that even a universally obeyed helmet law could not hope to reduce
    fatalities by more than 10% (i.e. 1/2 death per year in Eire). Surely it
    will acknowledge that while motor traffic accounts for around one in ten
    child injury admissions, it makes up half of all fatalities - and that only
    a small minority of the dead are cycling at the time - proving that it is
    motor traffic, not cycling, which is uniquely hazardous to children.

    Perhaps we will see in print again the conclusions of the British government
    that there is no known case where cyclist safety has improved with
    increasing helmet use (so much for the idea of an "essential" safety aid!).
    Maybe we will see the cost-benefit analyses conducted in Australia and New
    Zealand which show that mandatory helmet laws represent a net cost to the
    economy. Perhaps we will see the measured and sane view that compulsion
    would shorten more lives than it could ever hope to save, a view apparently
    shared by the British Medical Association, and every single cycling body of
    which I am aware, both in Ireland and in the UK.

    Or will you allow the helmeteers to continue to get away with pretending
    that all cyclist injuries are head injuries, that all head injuries are
    preventable by helmets, and that all head injuries are serious? Perhaps you
    will leave it to websites such as http://www.cyclehelmets.org and
    http://www.cycle-helmets.com to publish these and other facts, and allow the
    conspiracy of ignorance to continue to masquerade as common sense. I hope
    not.

    Guy

  5. Just zis Guy said:

    fatalities by more than 10% (i.e. 1/2 death per year in Eire).

    A tip: don't say Eire (or even Éire) -- it makes you come across
    as an old fogey. The term was used in English as the name of the
    state between 1937 and 1948, though it is still the Irish language
    name.

    More on topic,
    <url:http://www.nsc.ie/whats_new/NewsExtra_Details.cfm?NewsExtraID=32&recordID=106&location=main>
    leads to the National Safety Council's reading on the matter (four
    research papers, including Povey et al and a case-control study).

    If that URL doesn't survive,
    <url:http://www.nsc.ie/whats_new/index.cfm> might.

    Brendan
    --
    Brendan Halpin, Department of Sociology, University of Limerick, Ireland
    Tel: w +353-61-213147 f +353-61-202569 h +353-61-390476; Room F2-025 x 3147
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  6. On 14 May 2004 16:14:05 +0100 someone who may be Brendan Halpin
    <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:

    A tip: don't say Eire (or even Éire) -- it makes you come across
    as an old fogey.

    That seems like a very sensible idea. Who wants to come across as an
    inexperienced teenager?

    --
    David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E
    I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK government
    prevents me using the RIP Act 2000.

  7. "Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Mucco said:


    Up to 96pc of child cyclists killed or injured were not wearing helmets.


    The

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    council called for helmets to be made mandatory.

    100% of child pedestrians killed or injured were not wearing helmets

    87.5% of statistics are made up on the spot.

  8. Frank X [email hidden] opined the following...

    Quoted message said:

    87.5% of statistics are made up on the spot.

    I once used this line with a bunch of friends who were all laughing when
    another turned up and asked what the joke was. I repeated it, but this
    time the number was different at which point one of the original group
    piped up "Hang on. You said it was 87.5% last time!".

    Jon

  9. On Sat, 15 May 2004 13:55:23 +0100, "Frank X" <[email hidden]>

    wrote in message : said:

    87.5% of statistics are made up on the spot.

    And 65% of helmet stats are made up at Washington University ;-)

    Guy
    --
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

  10. David Hansen said:

    On 14 May 2004 16:14:05 +0100 someone who may be Brendan Halpin
    <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:

    A tip: don't say Eire (or even Éire) -- it makes you come across
    as an old fogey.

    That seems like a very sensible idea. Who wants to come across as an
    inexperienced teenager?

    The only thing worse than an old fogey is a young fogey.

    B
    --
    Brendan Halpin, Department of Sociology, University of Limerick, Ireland
    Tel: w +353-61-213147 f +353-61-202569 h +353-61-390476; Room F2-025 x 3147
    [email hidden] http://www.ul.ie/sociology/brendan.halpin.html

  11. "Brendan Halpin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    The only thing worse than an old fogey is a young fogey.

    ......or an old juvenile.

    Tony

  12. Jon Senior:

    Quoted message said:

    "Hang on. You said it was 87.5% last time!".

    Your friend and mine should get together.

    I once commented to my friend, after she had been a bit slow on the uptake
    about something:
    "You're as sharp as a football."

    Her reply?

    "But footballs aren't sharp."

    d.

  13. On Mon, 17 May 2004 11:44:11 +0100, "Tony Raven"
    <[email hidden]> wrote (more or less):

    Quoted message said:


    "Brendan Halpin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    The only thing worse than an old fogey is a young fogey.

    .....or an old juvenile.

    It reminds me of a French saying - 'Those who are not left-wing when
    young have no heart. Those who are not right-wing when old have no
    brain.'

    --
    Cheers,
    Euan
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  14. Just zis Guy said:

    =======================================================================
    <snip>

    Guy

    Your letter's been published today - either you took Brendan's advice, or
    they edited it for you!

    M

  15. Mucco said:
    Just zis Guy said:

    =======================================================================
    <snip>

    Guy

    Your letter's been published today - either you took Brendan's advice, or
    they edited it for you!

    URL?

    ...d

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