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  1. Greetings

    Hopefully this is the correct venue to post a question. I was recently
    about to purchase a used bike. Myself and the seller had just refilled the
    tires with air, as they were soft. Partway through screwing the tire cap
    back on the nozzle, lots of air suddenly started escaping, seemingly from
    the nozzle. I removed the cap rapidly, air continued to leak until the
    tire was very soft. When we
    tried to fill the tire again, this time air leaked in large
    quantities immediately.
    I decided not to purchase the bike until I knew more.

    Any idea what might be wrong and how much it might cost to fix ?
    It didn't seem like putting the tire cap back on could cause that, so
    maybe we filled the tire too much and it took a minute to start leaking?
    I don't have much experience with bikes so don't know what else might be
    the cause or how to fix.

    Sincerely and thanks !

    Avi S
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  2. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Any idea what might be wrong and how much it might cost to fix ?


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    Sounds like you need a new tube. (about$5.00)

    Lewis.

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  3. Avi Silterra said:

    I hope this is the correct venue to post a question. I was recently
    about to purchase a used bike. Myself and the seller had just
    refilled the tires with air, as they were soft. Partway through
    screwing the tire cap back on the nozzle, lots of air suddenly
    started escaping, seemingly from the nozzle. I removed the cap
    rapidly, air continued to leak until the tire was very soft. When
    we tried to fill the tire again, this time air leaked in large
    quantities immediately.

    I take it you mean the valve stem when you say "nozzle". If this is a
    Presta valve with a little brass nut on top of the valve core, then
    you must screw this down after inflating the tire. The cap is not
    necessary but if the valve closure nut is left open, some caps will
    depress it and open the valve as you describe.

    Quoted message said:

    I decided not to purchase the bike until I knew more.

    Quoted message said:

    Any idea what might be wrong and how much it might cost to fix? It
    didn't seem like putting the tire cap back on could cause that, so
    maybe we filled the tire too much and it took a minute to start
    leaking? I don't have much experience with bikes so don't know what
    else might be the cause or how to fix.

    If the tire held air before you screwed the valve cap on, it is not a
    defect but rather an operator error, as the term goes. The subject of
    Presta valves comes up here from time to time.

    Even if the tube were faulty, this is a minor problem. You can
    purchase an inner tube relatively inexpensively at any bicycle shop.
    If you like the bicycle, buy it.

    Jobst Brandt
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  4. Avi Silterra said:

    Greetings

    Hopefully this is the correct venue to post a question. I was recently
    about to purchase a used bike. Myself and the seller had just refilled the
    tires with air, as they were soft. Partway through screwing the tire cap
    back on the nozzle, lots of air suddenly started escaping, seemingly from
    the nozzle. I removed the cap rapidly, air continued to leak until the
    tire was very soft. When we
    tried to fill the tire again, this time air leaked in large
    quantities immediately.
    I decided not to purchase the bike until I knew more.

    Any idea what might be wrong and how much it might cost to fix ?

    Geez. It's a bad valve. Replace the tube. It costs $2-$3. Nothing to
    balk at buying the bike for.

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  5. Avi Silterra said:

    Hopefully this is the correct venue to post a question. I was recently
    about to purchase a used bike. Myself and the seller had just refilled the
    tires with air, as they were soft. Partway through screwing the tire cap
    back on the nozzle, lots of air suddenly started escaping, seemingly from
    the nozzle. I removed the cap rapidly, air continued to leak until the
    tire was very soft. When we
    tried to fill the tire again, this time air leaked in large
    quantities immediately.
    I decided not to purchase the bike until I knew more.

    Any idea what might be wrong and how much it might cost to fix ?
    It didn't seem like putting the tire cap back on could cause that, so
    maybe we filled the tire too much and it took a minute to start leaking?
    I don't have much experience with bikes so don't know what else might be
    the cause or how to fix.

    Most likely a torn valve. Just moving the valve a bit
    allowed air to escape from a cut that was already there.

    That's possibly from riding at low pressures, which may also
    have damaged the tire sidewalls or contributed to rim dents
    Definitely check those 2 things after this flat's repaired.

    It may also just be from improper use of a pump -with no
    further ramifications.

    I wouldn't reject purchase of this bike just because of that
    flat.

    But I would certainly get someone knowledgeable about
    bicycles and bicycle service to look it over with you before
    you buy any used bike. Imminent service issues, wear and
    damage might change the price or kill the deal. As would
    such things as a filed/restamped number . . . (Car service
    shops offer "buyers' inspection" for the auto-unsavvy)

    And somewhere along the way, get familiar with the basics of
    bicycle tires/tubes/wheels. You'll get more enjoyment from
    your machine if you are able to confidently ride outside
    your neighborhood, unafraid of our little pneumatic
    vicissitudes:
    http://draco.acs.uci.edu/rbfaq/FAQ/index.html

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    Andrew Muzi
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  6. On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:35:49 -0500, Avi Silterra

    may have said:

    Greetings

    Hopefully this is the correct venue to post a question. I was recently
    about to purchase a used bike. Myself and the seller had just refilled the
    tires with air, as they were soft. Partway through screwing the tire cap
    back on the nozzle, lots of air suddenly started escaping, seemingly from
    the nozzle. I removed the cap rapidly, air continued to leak until the
    tire was very soft. When we
    tried to fill the tire again, this time air leaked in large
    quantities immediately.
    I decided not to purchase the bike until I knew more.

    Any idea what might be wrong and how much it might cost to fix ?

    Most likely problem: A bad tube. Cost? If all that's needed is a
    relacement tube, probably about five bucks plus the time to swap it
    out.

    Was there a small locknut at the tip of the valve stem which you had
    to loosen before you could fill the tire with air? If so, that
    locknut needs to be retightened before the cap goes back on; that type
    of assembly is called a "Presta" valve. If there was no locknut, and
    the connection to fill the tire looked like the same type that's used
    on automobiles, you have a Schrader valve. With either type, a valve
    that's been sitting for a long period (we're talking in terms of a
    usually a year or more, here) may have stuck together internally, and
    the sealing material may have torn when the valve was opened to allow
    air into the tube. With a Schrader valve, the damaged part can be
    replaced separately, but it's seldom worthwhile since the tube is
    likely to be in questionable condition if it's old enough for that to
    have taken place. With a Presta valve, replacing the tube is really
    the only option.

    Quoted message said:

    It didn't seem like putting the tire cap back on could cause that, so
    maybe we filled the tire too much and it took a minute to start leaking?

    A bike that's been sitting for a while may have dry-rot in the tube.
    I see this sort of failure often. The air *seems* to be coming from
    the stem, but it's actually blowing out along it. There's also the
    possibility that the Schrader valve's body has become delaminated from
    the rubber covering on it, but I'm betting that there's a crack in the
    rubber right at the base of the valve stem.

    One additional caveat; if the tubes are old enough to have
    deteriorated, there's a possibility that the tires may be close to
    being over the hill as well. If they're blackwalls, you're probably
    safe as long as there aren't any visible cracks when the tire is
    inflated. If the sidewalls are tan or brown, check to see if the
    material in that area is soft and gummy or firm and resilient; it
    should not allow your fingernail to leave a dent in it.

    Quoted message said:

    I don't have much experience with bikes so don't know what else might be
    the cause or how to fix.

    Changing out and/or patching a tube is the one of the most common
    repairs required on bikes, and it's pretty close to essential for a
    rider to know how it's done. I'd recommend a trip to the public
    library for a quick perusal of a bike repair book, followed by a
    return trip to the seller of that bike to finalize your purchase. One
    other thing that I'd recommend checking out before buying the bike is
    the possibility that the tube may have failed due to being punctured
    by bubbly corrosion on the inside of the rim, which can only be found
    by dismounting the tire. If this bike has been ridden in winter
    months, road salt may have attacked the rims.

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