Leg fatigue

(Mark L) said:

After running all through high school, and doing quite of few road races, I quit running. 16-17
years later I decided I was getting fat and lazy, and started running again shortly before my 35
birthday in july. Last weekend I ran a half marathon. My cardio contitioning was fine, I could have
run all day, but about the 10 mile marker my legs became extremely fatigued. I have three young
children, so I cant do super long runs in every night. Is there anything I can do to combat this
problem ( i.e Lifting weights, diet, stretching exersizes).

I had been training running every other night 4-7 miles.

Any help would be appreciated. I want run my first marathon next year, but I relize now that I have
a long way to go.

Mark

Aside from increas your miles by adding a day per week in, or by doing one long run (18 mles or
more) once in awhile, nothing, you are building a good base mileage. However IMHO to do a marathon
you should have at least a steady 50 miles a week minimum under your belt. So keep building your
base. The Bill Rodgers

"Mark L" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I have three young children, so I cant do super long runs in every night.

One long run a week would suffice. Get up early on a Sat/Sun morning while everyone else is watching
TV, shopping, or lazing around. Build up to 20 miles in three hours. If you can't achieve that, stay
in watching TV with the rest of the family.

Quoted message said:

I had been training running every other night 4-7 miles.

You need structure. One fast paced run of 5 - 8 miles, one track session of 400/800 repeats (take
the kids, let them play on the high jump mat, keeps 'em happy for hours) taking around 90 minutes,
two 10 - 12 mile marathon pace runs. This'll work as a rough get-you-round schedule. If you can
avoid injury (some chance!) you might get to achieve your dream.

Quoted message said:

Any help would be appreciated. I want run my first marathon next year, but I relize now that I
have a long way to go.

Yes 26.2 miles. With the diversity of races available today, one wonders why you're bothering with
the marathon.

Roger.

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Quoted message said:

Aside from increas your miles by adding a day per week in, or by doing one long run (18 mles or
more) once in awhile, nothing, you are building a good base mileage. However IMHO to do a marathon
you should have at least a steady 50 miles a week minimum under your belt. So keep building your
base. The Bill Rodgers

Jesus! Similar advice (apart from my natural love of speedwork). Are you me?

Roger.

apusapus said:

Quoted message said:

Any help would be appreciated. I want run my first marathon next year, but I relize now that I
have a long way to go.

Yes 26.2 miles. With the diversity of races available today, one wonders why you're bothering with
the marathon.

Cachet. Women. Didn't you hear? Because it's cooler to run 3:59 for the marathon than 3:59 for the
mile in our population's eternally screwed up view of things.

But hey, I shouldn't complain - I can only do one of those.

-Dave

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Cachet. Women. Didn't you hear? Because it's cooler to run 3:59 for the marathon than 3:59 for the
mile in our population's eternally screwed up view of things.

Really? I thought everyone and his dog had done at least one marathon by now.

I think you'll find running is being sustained largely by the Timmy's of this world - you know, guys
in their last flush of manhood before senility washes away any memory of the Real World. Kids that
would have been attracted to athletics 30 years ago are now claimed by extreme sports. Were I to see
20 again I sure as hell wouldn't want any part of the world of running. Fat men in lycra indeed!

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But hey, I shouldn't complain - I can only do one of those.

Then you can claim more that I.

Roger.

The only thing I would suggest, is to stop being such a whiny putz. Either learn to jog on your
hands, or deal with your spaghetti legs. Sore legs on a jogger, are as common as genital warts on a
hooker. And you never hear THEM complain!

apusapus said:

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Quoted message said:

I have three young children, so I cant do super long runs in every night.

One long run a week would suffice. Get up early on a Sat/Sun morning while everyone else is
watching TV, shopping, or lazing around. Build up to 20 miles in three hours. If you can't achieve
that, stay in watching TV with the rest of the family.

Quoted message said:

I had been training running every other night 4-7 miles.

You need structure. One fast paced run of 5 - 8 miles, one track session of 400/800 repeats (take
the kids, let them play on the high jump mat, keeps 'em happy for hours) taking around 90 minutes,
two 10 - 12 mile marathon pace runs. This'll work as a rough get-you-round schedule. If you can
avoid injury (some chance!) you might get to achieve your dream.

I'm not sure how long you've been here, but this is PURE [censored]! DO NOT listen to this dipshit,
he/she/it is not a runner, not a dr, probably not even human. If you are running for time then
speedwork is indicated, however you are not, so no speedwork is required, just LSD runs. Speedwork
will only get you injured, and does nothing for your endurance, the required ingredient for a
marathon. Once more, DO NOT LISTEN TO THE TALKING PARROTT!!!

apusapus said:

Jesus! Similar advice (apart from my natural love of speedwork). Are you me?

No, I'm not an [censored].

Spazz said:

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:13:16 -0000, "apusapus" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"Mark L" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I have three young children, so I cant do super long runs in every night.

One long run a week would suffice. Get up early on a Sat/Sun morning while everyone else is
watching TV, shopping, or lazing around. Build up to 20 miles in three hours. If you can't achieve
that, stay in watching TV with the rest of the family.

Quoted message said:

I had been training running every other night 4-7 miles.

You need structure. One fast paced run of 5 - 8 miles, one track session of 400/800 repeats (take
the kids, let them play on the high jump mat, keeps 'em happy for hours) taking around 90 minutes,
two 10 - 12 mile marathon pace runs. This'll work as a rough get-you-round schedule. If you can
avoid injury (some chance!) you might get to achieve your dream.

Quoted message said:

I'm not sure how long you've been here, but this is PURE [censored]! DO NOT listen to this dipshit,
he/she/it is not a runner, not a dr, probably not even human. If you are running for time then
speedwork is indicated, however you are not, so no speedwork is required, just LSD runs. Speedwork
will only get you injured, and does nothing for your endurance, the required ingredient for a
marathon. Once more, DO NOT LISTEN TO THE TALKING PARROTT!!!

---I agree totally except that only people concerned with time should do speedwork. Even if you
don't really care about time, speedwork does other things for your body than make you fast. A
day per week of speedwork will help even the back-of-the-packer finish in a more enjoyable
condition. Andy Hass

In article said:

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Cachet. Women. Didn't you hear? Because it's cooler to run 3:59 for the marathon than 3:59 for
the mile in our population's eternally screwed up view of things.

Really? I thought everyone and his dog had done at least one marathon by now.

I haven't. Don't plan to do so any time soon either.

Cheers,
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---I agree totally except that only people concerned with time should do speedwork. Even if you
don't really care about time, speedwork does other things for your body than make you fast.

Yes, just think of all those wonderful injuries your missing by not doing speedwork.

Quoted message said:

A day per week of speedwork will help even the back-of-the-packer finish in a more enjoyable
condition. Andy Hass

BS

Frazz. said:

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:43:39 GMT, [email hidden] wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

---I agree totally except that only people concerned with time should do speedwork. Even if you
don't really care about time, speedwork does other things for your body than make you fast.

Quoted message said:

Yes, just think of all those wonderful injuries your missing by not doing speedwork.

---You obviously don't train very intelligently if you think speedwork is a sure injury. Lots of us
do it consistently without injury.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

A day per week of speedwork will help even the back-of-the-packer finish in a more enjoyable
condition. Andy Hass

Quoted message said:

BS

---Wow, an intelligent reply.... Andy Hass

Quoted message said:

Frazz. said:

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:43:39 GMT, [email hidden] wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

---I agree totally except that only people concerned with time should do speedwork. Even if you
don't really care about time, speedwork does other things for your body than make you fast.

Quoted message said:

Yes, just think of all those wonderful injuries your missing by not doing speedwork.

---You obviously don't train very intelligently if you think speedwork is a sure injury. Lots of us
do it consistently without injury.

Not a sure injury, but a greatly increased chance of one.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

A day per week of speedwork will help even the back-of-the-packer finish in a more enjoyable
condition. Andy Hass

Quoted message said:

BS

---Wow, an intelligent reply.... Andy Hass

I thought if I lowered myself to your level you'd understand, and you
did.

Frasier

Four months is pretty fast working up to hour runs from zilch. Its probably that your leg muscles or
blood nourishment hasnt caught up to your cardio progress. It can take a good year for all parts of
your body and organs to catch up to the stress of running, especially when approaching middle age.
The good news is that these do getted used to running, given a year or so.