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  1. In Flanders Fields
    By: Lieutenant Colonel John McCrae, MD (1872-1918)
    Canadian Army

    IN FLANDERS FIELDS the poppies blow
    Between the crosses row on row,
    That mark our place; and in the sky
    The larks, still bravely singing, fly
    Scarce heard amid the guns below.

    We are the Dead. Short days ago
    We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
    Loved and were loved, and now we lie
    In Flanders fields.

    Take up our quarrel with the foe:
    To you from failing hands we throw
    The torch; be yours to hold it high.
    If ye break faith with us who die
    We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
    In Flanders fields.

    --

    Debbie

    (Email account is valid but one I do not check. To email use above name dot
    neill at sympatico dot ca)

  2. "Debbie" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    In Flanders Fields
    By: Lieutenant Colonel John McCrae, MD (1872-1918)
    Canadian Army

    IN FLANDERS FIELDS the poppies blow
    Between the crosses row on row,
    That mark our place; and in the sky
    The larks, still bravely singing, fly
    Scarce heard amid the guns below.

    We are the Dead. Short days ago
    We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
    Loved and were loved, and now we lie
    In Flanders fields.

    Take up our quarrel with the foe:
    To you from failing hands we throw
    The torch; be yours to hold it high.
    If ye break faith with us who die
    We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
    In Flanders fields.

    We Shall Keep the Faith

    by Moina Michael, November 1918

    Oh! you who sleep in Flanders Fields,
    Sleep sweet - to rise anew!
    We caught the torch you threw
    And holding high, we keep the Faith
    With All who died.

    We cherish, too, the poppy red
    That grows on fields where valor led;
    It seems to signal to the skies
    That blood of heroes never dies,
    But lends a lustre to the red
    Of the flower that blooms above the dead
    In Flanders Fields.

    And now the Torch and Poppy Red
    We wear in honor of our dead.
    Fear not that ye have died for naught;
    We'll teach the lesson that ye wrought
    In Flanders Fields.

    Moina Belle Michael was born near Good Hope, Walton County, Georgia, USA
    on August 15, 1869. At the age of 15 Moina began her career as a
    teacher, spending time in every section of the educational system in
    Georgia, teaching in county, town, state and church schools.

    The idea for the Flanders Fields Memorial Poppy came to Moina Michael
    while she was working at the YMCA Overseas War Secretaries' headquarters
    on a Saturday morning in November 1918, two days before the Armistice
    was declared at 11 o'clock on 11 November

    At about 10.30am, when everyone was on duty elsewhere, Moina found a few
    moments to read the magazine. In it she came across a page which carried
    a vivid colour illustration for the poem "We Shall Not Sleep" (later
    named "In Flanders Fields"😉 by the Canadian Army doctor John McCrae.

    Reading the poem on this occasion - she had read it many times before -
    Moina was transfixed by the last verse - "To you from failing hands we
    throw the Torch; be yours to hold it high. If ye break faith with us who
    die, we shall not sleep, though poppies grow in Flanders Fields."

    At that moment Moina Michael made a personal pledge to 'keep the faith'
    and vowed always to wear a red poppy of Flanders Fields as a sign of
    remembrance and as an emblem for "keeping the faith with all who died."

    Compelled to make a note of this pledge she hastily scribbled down a
    response on the back of a used envelope, entitled "We Shall Keep the
    Faith"

    Moina Michael died on 10 May 1944

  3. http://www.rsa.org.nz/remem/poppy_sig.html

    Significance of the Poppy
    The story of how the Poppy became an international symbol of remembrance
    is a remarkable one.
    In Flanders Fields
    John McCrae

    Lt-Col John McCrae

    The association of the red poppy — the Flanders Poppy — with battlefield
    deaths as a natural symbol of resurrection and remembrance dates back to
    the Napoleonic Wars when poppies were the first plant to grow in the
    churned up soil of soldiers' graves in the area of Flanders.

    This connection between the red poppy and war dead was renewed over a
    century later on the Western Front during the First World War.

    It was verses by Lieutenant-Colonel John McCrae (1872-1918), a Canadian
    Medical Officer, which began the intriguing process by which the
    Flanders Poppy became immortalised worldwide as the symbol of
    remembrance: The inspiration for the verses had been the death of a
    fellow officer, Lt Alexis Helmer, of the 1st Brigade Canadian Field
    Artillery on 2 May 1915, during the Second Battle of Ypres (Ieper) in
    western Belgium, for whom McCrae had performed the burial service.
    McCrae's verses, which he had scribbled in pencil on a page torn from
    his despatch book, were sent anonymously by a fellow officer to the
    English magazine, Punch, which published them under the title 'In
    Flanders Fields' on 8 December 1915.
    The Challenge

    Three years later, McCrae himself died of pneumonia at Wimereux near
    Boulogne, France, on 28 January 1918. On his deathbed, McCrae reportedly
    lay down the challenge:

    "Tell them this, if ye break faith with us who die,
    we shall not sleep."

    The Response

    Among the many people moved by McCrae's poem a YMCA canteen worker in
    New York, Miss Moina Michael (1869-1944), who, two days before the
    Armistice was signed on 11 November 1918, wrote a reply entitled 'We
    Shall Keep the Faith':

    "We Shall Keep the Faith"

    Oh! You who sleep in Flanders Fields,
    Sleep sweet-to rise anew!
    We caught the torch you threw
    And holding high, we keep the Faith
    With all who died.

    We cherish, too, the poppy red
    That grows on fields where valour led;
    It seems to signal to the skies
    That blood of heroes never dies,
    But lends a lustre to the red
    Of the flower that blooms above the dead
    In Flanders Fields.

    And now the Torch and Poppy red
    We wear in honour of our dead.
    Fear not that ye have died for naught;
    We'll teach the lesson that ye wrought
    In Flanders Fields.

    Michael also originated the idea of the red poppy as a symbol of
    remembrance.
    Origins of the Memorial Poppy

    Moina Michael

    The idea for the Flanders Fields Memorial Poppy, Moina Michael recalled
    in her 1941 book The Miracle Flower, came to her while working at the
    YMCA Overseas War Secretaries' Headquarters on a Saturday morning, 9
    November 1918. The Twenty-Fifth Conference of the Overseas YMCA War
    Secretaries was in progress. During a lull in proceedings Moina glanced
    through a copy of the November Ladies Home Journal and came across
    McCrae's poem re-titled "We Shall Not Sleep". The last few lines
    transfixed her:

    To you from failing hands we throw
    The torch; be yours to hold it high.
    If ye break faith with us who die
    We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
    In Flanders fields.

    Moina Michael hereafter made a personal pledge to 'keep the faith' and
    vowed always to wear a red poppy of Flanders Fields as a symbol of
    remembrance. Compelled to make a note of this pledge she hastily
    scribbled her response, entitled "We Shall Keep the Faith", on the back
    of a used envelope.

    When the Conference delegates gave Moina a gift of ten dollars in
    appreciation of her assistance, she went to a New York department store
    and purchased 25 artificial red poppies and, pinning one on her own
    collar, distributed the remainder to the YMCA secretaries with an
    explanation of her motivation. She viewed this act as the first group
    distribution of the Flanders Fields Memorial Poppy.

    Moina Michael hereafter tirelessly campaigned to get the poppy adopted
    as a national symbol of remembrance. In September 1920 the American
    Legion adopted the Poppy as such at its annual Convention. Attending
    that Convention was a French woman who was about to promote the poppy —
    as a symbol of remembrance — throughout the world.
    International Symbol of Remembrance
    widows making poppies

    French widows, many with children on their laps, hand-making hundreds of
    thousands of poppies in the early 1920s for distribution to veterans
    organisations around the world, including the NZRSA.

    Madame E. Guérin, conceived the idea of widows manufacturing artificial
    poppies in the devastated areas of Northern France which then could be
    sold by veterans' organisations worldwide for their own veterans and
    dependants as well as the benefit of destitute French children.
    Throughout 1920-21, Guérin and her representatives approached veteran
    organisations' in the United States, Britain, Canada, Australia and New
    Zealand and urged them to adopt the poppy as a symbol of remembrance.

    It was as a result of the efforts of Michael and Guérin — both of whom
    became known endearingly as the "Poppy Lady" — that the poppy became an
    international symbol of remembrance.

  4. Little Green Tents

    The little green tents where the soldiers sleep
    And the sunbeams play and the women weep
    Are covered with flowers today

    And between the tents walk the weary few
    Who were young and stalwart in 'sixty-two
    When they went to the war away

    The little green tents are built of sod
    And they are not long, and they are not broad
    But the soldiers have lots of room

    And the sod is part of the land they saved
    When the flag of the enemy darkly waved
    The symbol of dole and doom

    The little green tent is a thing divine
    The little green tent is a country's shrine
    Where patriots kneel and pray

    And the brave men left, so old, so few
    Were young and stalwart in 'sixty-two
    When they went to the war away

    ~~Uncle Walt Mason 1916

  5. Thanks for that information. I didn't know.
    🙂
    ```````````

    On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:14:44 +0100 (CET), PeterLucas <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    http://www.rsa.org.nz/remem/poppy_sig.html

    Significance of the Poppy
    The story of how the Poppy became an international symbol of remembrance
    is a remarkable one.
    In Flanders Fields
    John McCrae

    Lt-Col John McCrae

    The association of the red poppy — the Flanders Poppy — with battlefield
    deaths as a natural symbol of resurrection and remembrance dates back to
    the Napoleonic Wars when poppies were the first plant to grow in the
    churned up soil of soldiers' graves in the area of Flanders.

    This connection between the red poppy and war dead was renewed over a
    century later on the Western Front during the First World War.

    It was verses by Lieutenant-Colonel John McCrae (1872-1918), a Canadian
    Medical Officer, which began the intriguing process by which the
    Flanders Poppy became immortalised worldwide as the symbol of
    remembrance: The inspiration for the verses had been the death of a
    fellow officer, Lt Alexis Helmer, of the 1st Brigade Canadian Field
    Artillery on 2 May 1915, during the Second Battle of Ypres (Ieper) in
    western Belgium, for whom McCrae had performed the burial service.
    McCrae's verses, which he had scribbled in pencil on a page torn from
    his despatch book, were sent anonymously by a fellow officer to the
    English magazine, Punch, which published them under the title 'In
    Flanders Fields' on 8 December 1915.
    The Challenge

    Three years later, McCrae himself died of pneumonia at Wimereux near
    Boulogne, France, on 28 January 1918. On his deathbed, McCrae reportedly
    lay down the challenge:

    "Tell them this, if ye break faith with us who die,
    we shall not sleep."

    The Response

    Among the many people moved by McCrae's poem a YMCA canteen worker in
    New York, Miss Moina Michael (1869-1944), who, two days before the
    Armistice was signed on 11 November 1918, wrote a reply entitled 'We
    Shall Keep the Faith':

    "We Shall Keep the Faith"

    Oh! You who sleep in Flanders Fields,
    Sleep sweet-to rise anew!
    We caught the torch you threw
    And holding high, we keep the Faith
    With all who died.

    We cherish, too, the poppy red
    That grows on fields where valour led;
    It seems to signal to the skies
    That blood of heroes never dies,
    But lends a lustre to the red
    Of the flower that blooms above the dead
    In Flanders Fields.

    And now the Torch and Poppy red
    We wear in honour of our dead.
    Fear not that ye have died for naught;
    We'll teach the lesson that ye wrought
    In Flanders Fields.

    Michael also originated the idea of the red poppy as a symbol of
    remembrance.
    Origins of the Memorial Poppy

    Moina Michael

    The idea for the Flanders Fields Memorial Poppy, Moina Michael recalled
    in her 1941 book The Miracle Flower, came to her while working at the
    YMCA Overseas War Secretaries' Headquarters on a Saturday morning, 9
    November 1918. The Twenty-Fifth Conference of the Overseas YMCA War
    Secretaries was in progress. During a lull in proceedings Moina glanced
    through a copy of the November Ladies Home Journal and came across
    McCrae's poem re-titled "We Shall Not Sleep". The last few lines
    transfixed her:

    To you from failing hands we throw
    The torch; be yours to hold it high.
    If ye break faith with us who die
    We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
    In Flanders fields.

    Moina Michael hereafter made a personal pledge to 'keep the faith' and
    vowed always to wear a red poppy of Flanders Fields as a symbol of
    remembrance. Compelled to make a note of this pledge she hastily
    scribbled her response, entitled "We Shall Keep the Faith", on the back
    of a used envelope.

    When the Conference delegates gave Moina a gift of ten dollars in
    appreciation of her assistance, she went to a New York department store
    and purchased 25 artificial red poppies and, pinning one on her own
    collar, distributed the remainder to the YMCA secretaries with an
    explanation of her motivation. She viewed this act as the first group
    distribution of the Flanders Fields Memorial Poppy.

    Moina Michael hereafter tirelessly campaigned to get the poppy adopted
    as a national symbol of remembrance. In September 1920 the American
    Legion adopted the Poppy as such at its annual Convention. Attending
    that Convention was a French woman who was about to promote the poppy —
    as a symbol of remembrance — throughout the world.
    International Symbol of Remembrance
    widows making poppies

    French widows, many with children on their laps, hand-making hundreds of
    thousands of poppies in the early 1920s for distribution to veterans
    organisations around the world, including the NZRSA.

    Madame E. Guérin, conceived the idea of widows manufacturing artificial
    poppies in the devastated areas of Northern France which then could be
    sold by veterans' organisations worldwide for their own veterans and
    dependants as well as the benefit of destitute French children.
    Throughout 1920-21, Guérin and her representatives approached veteran
    organisations' in the United States, Britain, Canada, Australia and New
    Zealand and urged them to adopt the poppy as a symbol of remembrance.

    It was as a result of the efforts of Michael and Guérin — both of whom
    became known endearingly as the "Poppy Lady" — that the poppy became an
    international symbol of remembrance.

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  6. Debbie said:

    In Flanders Fields


    [snip]

    I think Wilfred Owens' poem nails the truthiness:
    (second stanza)

    If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
    Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
    And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
    His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
    If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
    Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
    Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
    Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,
    My friend, you would not tell with such high zest13
    To children ardent for some desperate glory,
    The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est
    Pro patria mori.

    [the old Lie: it is sweet and right to die for your country] -
    aem

  7. "Debbie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In Flanders Fields
    By: Lieutenant Colonel John McCrae, MD (1872-1918)
    Canadian Army

    IN FLANDERS FIELDS the poppies blow
    Between the crosses row on row,
    That mark our place; and in the sky
    The larks, still bravely singing, fly
    Scarce heard amid the guns below.

    We are the Dead. Short days ago
    We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
    Loved and were loved, and now we lie
    In Flanders fields.

    Take up our quarrel with the foe:
    To you from failing hands we throw
    The torch; be yours to hold it high.
    If ye break faith with us who die
    We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
    In Flanders fields.

    --

    Debbie

    (Email account is valid but one I do not check. To email use above name
    dot
    neill at sympatico dot ca)

    The beginning of that poem is moving, but the claptrap about "throwing the
    torch" is, as others have pointed out, almost criminally stupid. "Take up
    our quarrel with the foe," meant "No negotiated peace with Germany." That
    is the message that resulted in the completely meaningless deaths and
    cripplings of literally millions of mostly young men as the carnage of
    trench warfare ground on and on.

  8. "Janet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Debbie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In Flanders Fields
    By: Lieutenant Colonel John McCrae, MD (1872-1918)
    Canadian Army

    IN FLANDERS FIELDS the poppies blow

    <<<Clipped>>>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Take up our quarrel with the foe:
    To you from failing hands we throw
    The torch; be yours to hold it high.
    If ye break faith with us who die
    We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
    In Flanders fields.

    The beginning of that poem is moving, but the claptrap about
    "throwing the torch" is, as others have pointed out, almost
    criminally stupid. "Take up our quarrel with the foe," meant
    "No negotiated peace with Germany." That is the message that
    resulted in the completely meaningless deaths and cripplings
    of literally millions of mostly young men as the carnage of
    trench warfare ground on and on.

    It is still saddening to read the nationalistic enthusiasm of
    the time. Some unfortunately learned the hard way, like the
    ultra-patriot Rudyard Kipling who pulled strings to allow his
    very short-sighted son to join the army at 18. He was killed on
    his first day in the trenches, probably unable to see in the
    rain, with or without glasses. Kipling has this verse in his
    Epitaphs of the War (1914-18):

    COMMON FORM
    If any question why we died,
    Tell them, because our fathers lied.

    --
    Jim Silverton
    Potomac, Maryland

  9. "James Silverton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:fpKZi.521$Vp3.123@trnddc05...

    Quoted message said:

    "Janet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Debbie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In Flanders Fields
    By: Lieutenant Colonel John McCrae, MD (1872-1918)
    Canadian Army

    IN FLANDERS FIELDS the poppies blow

    <<<Clipped>>>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Take up our quarrel with the foe:
    To you from failing hands we throw
    The torch; be yours to hold it high.
    If ye break faith with us who die
    We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
    In Flanders fields.

    The beginning of that poem is moving, but the claptrap about "throwing
    the torch" is, as others have pointed out, almost criminally stupid.
    "Take up our quarrel with the foe," meant "No negotiated peace with
    Germany." That is the message that resulted in the completely meaningless
    deaths and cripplings of literally millions of mostly young men as the
    carnage of trench warfare ground on and on.

    It is still saddening to read the nationalistic enthusiasm of the time.
    Some unfortunately learned the hard way, like the ultra-patriot Rudyard
    Kipling who pulled strings to allow his very short-sighted son to join the
    army at 18. He was killed on his first day in the trenches, probably
    unable to see in the rain, with or without glasses. Kipling has this verse
    in his Epitaphs of the War (1914-18):

    COMMON FORM
    If any question why we died,
    Tell them, because our fathers lied.

    --
    Jim Silverton
    Potomac, Maryland


    Yes, I'd rather see people quoting Wilfrid Owen (killed in the last month of
    the war, IIRC), or Seigfried Sassoon, or Isaac Rosenberg. Read Paul
    Fussell's "The Great War and Modern Memory" and see what he has to say about
    "Flanders Fields."

    I would have thought we had moved beyond this sentimentalization of war by
    now.

  10. On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:17:01 -0500, "Janet" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    "Debbie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In Flanders Fields
    By: Lieutenant Colonel John McCrae, MD (1872-1918)
    Canadian Army

    IN FLANDERS FIELDS the poppies blow
    Between the crosses row on row,
    That mark our place; and in the sky
    The larks, still bravely singing, fly
    Scarce heard amid the guns below.

    We are the Dead. Short days ago
    We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
    Loved and were loved, and now we lie
    In Flanders fields.

    Take up our quarrel with the foe:
    To you from failing hands we throw
    The torch; be yours to hold it high.
    If ye break faith with us who die
    We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
    In Flanders fields.

    --?

    Debbie

    (Email account is valid but one I do not check. To email use above name
    dot
    neill at sympatico dot ca)

    The beginning of that poem is moving, but the claptrap about "throwing the
    torch" is, as others have pointed out, almost criminally stupid. "Take up
    our quarrel with the foe," meant "No negotiated peace with Germany." That
    is the message that resulted in the completely meaningless deaths and
    cripplings of literally millions of mostly young men as the carnage of
    trench warfare ground on and on.

    War is a terrible thing, and to be avoided, unless the alternative is
    worse.

    Ron Kelley

  11. Ron said:

    War is a terrible thing, and to be avoided, unless the alternative is
    worse.

    For the United States, right now, at this moment, the alternative would
    have been much better.

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