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  1. nytimes.com17fat.html

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    Liposuction Doesn't Help Health, Study Finds By DENISE GRADY

    Published: June 17, 2004

    aving 20 pounds of fat removed by liposuction makes people
    look better but provides none of the protection from heart
    disease and diabetes that would result from losing the same
    amount of weight through diet and exercise, researchers are
    reporting.

    A report being published today in The New England Journal
    of Medicine challenges several earlier studies,
    preliminary ones suggesting that liposuction could improve
    health by lowering blood fats and other risk factors
    linked to diabetes.

    Those studies had led many plastic surgeons to begin
    promoting liposuction, particularly procedures removing many
    pounds of fat, as a medical treatment for obesity rather
    than merely a cosmetic operation, said Dr. Samuel Klein, the
    first author of the new study and director of the Center for
    Human Nutrition at the Washington University School of
    Medicine in St. Louis.

    "But what this study tells you is that losing fat itself
    by sucking it out does not give metabolic benefits," Dr.
    Klein said.

    One reason for the finding may be that liposuction removes
    fat only from under the skin, whereas dieting and exercise
    reduce deeper deposits in the organs and inside the abdomen;
    such deposits are believed to be more dangerous. In
    addition, while liposuction removes some fat cells, it does
    not shrink the billions left behind. Dieting does shrink fat
    cells, making them less prone to release harmful substances.

    Liposuction, in which surgeons break up fat deposits and
    vacuum them out, is the most common type of cosmetic surgery
    in the United States, with almost 400,000 procedures a year.
    Most patients are women ages 19 to 50.

    Dr. Klein said that he and his colleagues began their study
    expecting to find that liposuction would have health
    benefits, and so they were surprised to discover
    otherwise.

    Their experiment involved 15 obese women who had large-
    volume liposuction, which vacuumed out about 20 pounds of
    fat from the abdomen
    - nearly 20 percent of their body fat, four times the amount
    usually removed. The surgery sucked out fat only from
    under the skin, not the deposits well inside the abdomen.
    Large-volume operations are riskier than the usual type
    and account for only about 5 percent of all procedures
    nationwide, but they are becoming more common, and
    surgeons had hoped that removing so much fat would leave
    patients healthier as well as slimmer looking.

    Ten to 12 weeks after the surgeries, Dr. Klein's team
    measured the women's blood pressure and their blood levels
    of cholesterol, triglycerides, glucose, insulin and other
    substances used to gauge the risk of heart disease and
    diabetes. They found no improvements.

    But many previous studies had shown that the same weight
    loss, if achieved through dieting and exercise, typically
    produced significant improvements in most or all of the
    risk factors.

    Ds. Klein said he thought the experiment was definitive and
    should end debate about what liposuction could
    accomplish, because the research methods were more
    rigorous than those used in earlier studies.

    In the earlier experiments that found possible health
    benefits from liposuction, Dr. Klein said, improvements may
    have occurred because participants began dieting and
    exercising after they had liposuction, and not because of
    the surgery itself.

    By contrast, the women in Dr. Klein's study, sedentary to
    begin with, agreed not to begin diets or exercise programs
    after the liposuction.

    Plastic surgeons and researchers not involved with the study
    praised it, though one surgeon lamented the results.

    Dt. Olivia Hutchinson, a plastic surgeon in Manhattan, said,
    "It's a great study, but it's unfortunate what their
    findings were, that it doesn't tell us what we would
    have hoped to see."

    Another Manhattan plastic surgeon, Dr. Gerald H. Pitman,
    said: "In terms of metabolic consequences, we found out
    liposuction doesn't matter. I think it's wonderful."

    Du. Philipp Scherer, an associate professor at Albert
    Einstein College of Medicine who studies fat cells, said
    by e-mail that the results were not surprising, because
    many studies in animals had shown visceral fat to be the
    culprit behind raised blood lipids, glucose and
    inflammation.

    "Unfortunately, these visceral fat pads cannot be targeted
    by simple liposuction," Dr. Scherer said.

    He added that only in the last decade had scientists come to
    realize that fat deposits are not inert but act like
    endocrine organs, secreting a variety of hormones and other
    chemicals into the bloodstream.

    Dv. Klein said that women were studied only because they are
    far more likely to have liposuction than men and so were
    easier to find as research subjects. But the findings,
    he said, should apply equally to men.

    The results may seem puzzling. If a 20-pound weight loss
    from dieting can improve health, even in a very obese
    person, why should a similar weight loss from liposuction
    not have the same effect? Researchers say one answer, not
    fully understood, is that people must burn more calories
    than they eat - exist in a state of "negative energy
    balance" - to reap the benefits.

    The scientists suspect that the answer may also be partly
    that liposuction removes the least harmful kind of fat - the
    subcutaneous layer, under the skin. Dieting and exercise, on
    the other hand, quickly reduce more dangerous fat deposits,
    those in the liver, muscle and heart, as well as visceral
    fat, found inside the abdomen. That may be why even a small
    amount of weight loss can be quite beneficial. There is no
    standard operation to remove visceral fat from obese people,
    but researchers in Boston are trying an experimental
    procedure. Their results are not yet available.

    The deeper deposits are more likely to raise lipid levels
    in the blood and to increase the risk of diabetes by making
    the body less sensitive to insulin, the hormone needed to
    control blood sugar. Fat cells in those deposits may also
    be more likely to secrete a nasty array of substances that
    cause inflammation, also thought to play a role in heart
    and artery disease. The secretions from visceral fat go
    directly to the liver and may interfere with the vital
    roles it plays in helping regulate levels of glucose and
    cholesterol in the blood.

    Another reason liposuction does not lower health risks may
    be that it does nothing to shrink the billions of fat cells
    it leaves behind. Not only do obese people have more fat
    cells than lean people - at least 80 billion to 120 billion,
    as opposed to 40 billion - but the cells themselves are
    larger, with as much as 50 to 75 percent more mass than fat
    cells in a lean person, Dr. Klein said. Studies have shown
    that larger fat cells are more active metabolically than
    small ones, and more likely to spew harmful substances into
    the bloodstream.

    Cheryl Strahm, a 44-year-old-nurse who participated in the
    study, said she was disappointed to learn the results but
    glad nonetheless that she had been involved. The surgery
    became a catalyst for her to lose more weight once the study
    was done, Ms. Strahm said, and she has now dropped a total
    of 80 pounds. She hopes to lose an additional 50.

    "I got lots of compliments," she said. "I didn't necessarily
    tell everybody how I got there. People think I just look
    like a different person."

    ***************

    --
    CeeBee

    EMH Mark I: "Stop breathing down my neck." EMH Mark II: "My
    breath is merely a simulation." EMH Mark I: "So is my neck.
    Stop it anyway."

  2. On 17 Jun 2004 14:23:21 GMT, CeeBee <[email hidden]> etched
    permanently into the ether:

    Quoted message said:

    nytimes.com17fat.html

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    *************

    Liposuction Doesn't Help Health, Study Finds By
    DENISE GRADY

    Published: June 17, 2004

    I was just talking to my husband about this. I'm about as
    low weight wise as I can go without feeling sick. I stepped
    on the scale today and I weighed 124 with a BMI of 33 🙁.
    The only fat left on me is baby (from having big babies) fat
    on my hips. There is no way to loose that, unless you have
    liposuction.

    This article confirms what I suspected, that liposuction
    wouldn't lower my BMI or have much effect on bg or
    cholesterol. I really don't want to do this kind of surgery.
    I probably saw too much on reality tv shows. <g>

    Are there any other, larger studies? My docs won't pay
    attention to this article, since only 15 people were
    involved.

    TIA,

    Nancy pre-diabetic (2/2004) just figuring it all out

    to email me, remove the Z

  3. If you weigh 124 lbs unless you're 3 feet tall, weight is
    not an issue.

    Some of us, unfortunately, are insulin resistant no matter
    what we weigh. If that is the case, losing weight won't
    help. Sadly, too many doctors believe that fat causes all
    insulin resistance/diabetes and parrot the "lose weight"
    mantra without studying what is going on in our bodies..

    My first bout with insulin resistance happened when I got
    pregnant while weighing 119 lbs. I was going to the gym 4
    times a week, I was eating right, and I became diabetic and
    gained 50 lbs in about 12 weeks.

    I lost all that weight after having the baby and was a size
    9 until I became diabetic. I've lost a lot of weight, look
    great, and am still diabetic. It's something wrong with my
    stupid cells.

    Rather than obsess about your weight, which is fine, find a
    doctor who understands insulin resistance who will help you
    with diet and appropriate meds. I've found one and I am so
    much happier it is ridiculous. And she answers my phone
    questions too!

    -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight.
    Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.4. Cut the carbs to respond to my
    email address!

    Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips,
    recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at
    geocities.comjenny the bean

    Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit alt-support-alt-support-
    diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm

    "acoftil" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On 17 Jun 2004 14:23:21 GMT, CeeBee
    <[email hidden]> etched permanently into
    the ether:

    Quoted message said:

    nytimes.com17fat.html

    (registration might be necessary)

    *************

    Liposuction Doesn't Help Health, Study Finds By
    DENISE GRADY

    Published: June 17, 2004

    I was just talking to my husband about this. I'm about as
    low weight wise


    as I

    Quoted message said:

    can go without feeling sick. I stepped on the scale today
    and I weighed


    124

    Quoted message said:

    with a BMI of 33 🙁. The only fat left on me is baby (from
    having big


    babies)

    Quoted message said:

    fat on my hips. There is no way to loose that, unless
    you have


    liposuction.

    Quoted message said:


    This article confirms what I suspected, that liposuction
    wouldn't lower my


    BMI

    Quoted message said:

    or have much effect on bg or cholesterol. I really don't
    want to do this


    kind

    Quoted message said:

    of surgery. I probably saw too much on reality tv
    shows. <g>

    Are there any other, larger studies? My docs won't pay
    attention to this article, since only 15 people were
    involved.

    TIA,

    Nancy pre-diabetic (2/2004) just figuring it all out

    to email me, remove the Z

  4. On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:34:49 -0700, acoftil <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Nancy pre-diabetic (2/2004) just figuring it all out

    Hi Nancy

    Read your sig - figuring it all out. You need to change your
    calculator. According to this one: halls.mdbody mass
    index/bmi.htm you are about 4' 3".

    If you are 124 lbs and over 4' 9" your BMI is less than 27.

    Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and
    carbs to email.
    --
    Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

  5. acoftil said:

    On 17 Jun 2004 14:23:21 GMT, CeeBee


    <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    etched permanently into the ether:

    Quoted message said:

    nytimes.com17fat.html

    (registration might be necessary)

    *************

    Liposuction Doesn't Help Health, Study Finds By
    DENISE GRADY

    Published: June 17, 2004

    I was just talking to my husband about this. I'm about as
    low weight wise as I can go without feeling sick. I
    stepped on the scale today and I weighed 124 with a BMI of
    33 🙁. The only


    fat

    Quoted message said:

    left on me is baby (from having big babies) fat on
    my hips.


    There

    Quoted message said:

    is no way to loose that, unless you have liposuction.

    This article confirms what I suspected, that liposuction


    wouldn't

    Quoted message said:

    lower my BMI

    Liposuction WOULD lower your BMI since it's only based on
    height and weight. It would also, obviously, reduce your
    percentage of body fat. What it wouldn't do is significantly
    improve your health.

    or have much effect on bg or cholesterol. I really

    Quoted message said:

    don't want to do this kind of surgery. I probably saw
    too much


    on

    Quoted message said:

    reality tv shows. <g>

    Are there any other, larger studies? My docs won't pay


    attention

    Quoted message said:

    to this article, since only 15 people were involved.

    Cardiovascular exercise is a good thing even if you don't
    lose weight by doing it. You'll lower bG, BP and chol, even
    if you don't lose a pound.

    Quoted message said:


    TIA,

    Nancy pre-diabetic (2/2004) just figuring it all out

    to email me, remove the Z

  6. "Jenny" <[email hidden]> wrote in misc.health.diabetes:

    Quoted message said:

    Some of us, unfortunately, are insulin resistant no matter
    what we weigh. If that is the case, losing weight won't
    help. Sadly, too many doctors believe that fat causes all
    insulin resistance/diabetes and parrot the "lose weight"
    mantra without studying what is going on in our bodies..

    Every rule has its exceptions. But a BMI of 33 is considered
    obese and thus there's every reason to try and lose weight.

    With the epidemic growth over overweight and obesity and the
    accompanying growth of T2, and overweight being *by far* the
    most important denominator of T2, _any_ doctor who diagnoses
    a T2 with clear overweight should immediately apply the
    "lose weight" mantra before anything else. For the _vast_
    majority there is a direct correlation between increasing
    insulin sensitivity and weight loss.

    If losing weight does not help - which is indeed possible in
    a small minority of T2 diabetics, other measures are indeed
    in order. In the mean time every lost pound of overweight is
    a blessing to your overall health, notwithstanding that
    _other_ mantra some people recite that overweight is okay
    "as long as you feel good". Rather be obsessed with your
    overweight than accept it as a fact of life. Not in general,
    certainly not with T2.

    --
    CeeBee

    EMH Mark I: "Stop breathing down my neck." EMH Mark II: "My
    breath is merely a simulation." EMH Mark I: "So is my neck.
    Stop it anyway."

  7. On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:53:45 -0400, "Jenny" <[email hidden]> etched
    permanently into the ether:

    Quoted message said:

    If you weigh 124 lbs unless you're 3 feet tall, weight is
    not an issue.

    Some of us, unfortunately, are insulin resistant no matter
    what we weigh. If that is the case, losing weight won't
    help. Sadly, too many doctors believe that fat causes all
    insulin resistance/diabetes and parrot the "lose weight"
    mantra without studying what is going on in our bodies..

    This is exactly my issue. I started out not caring too much
    about loosing weight--my cholesterol was pretty good. Adding
    aerobic exercise and cutting out white foods and more fat is
    all I've done, as my calorie intake normally is less than
    1000 calories/day.

    My docs think I should keep loosing weight, even though my
    ribs show through my skin now. The exception is my Endo who
    told me I didn't need to loose weight. They don't agree
    with each other. I try to play the compliant patient until
    they figure out on their own that this isn't working--but
    I'm not getting any control over anything and that is what
    bugs me most.

    Quoted message said:


    My first bout with insulin resistance happened when I got
    pregnant while weighing 119 lbs. I was going to the gym 4
    times a week, I was eating right, and I became diabetic and
    gained 50 lbs in about 12 weeks.

    Other than the diabetic part, that happened to me also. But,
    I think I gained 40 pounds in my 2nd trimester--it only took
    a couple of weeks to gain the weight. I did get chewed out.
    But my baby was 9 lbs 10 1/2 oz. BTW, that was my last baby,
    because I could not deliver naturally ever again. He almost
    had his shoulder broken to get him out.

    Quoted message said:


    I lost all that weight after having the baby and was a size
    9 until I became diabetic. I've lost a lot of weight, look
    great, and am still diabetic. It's something wrong with my
    stupid cells.

    I'll buy that. 🙂 I stayed at 150 pounds because I kept
    eating like I was pregnant. lol When I cut my portions down,
    the weight came off--too fast. That is when I developed the
    eating disorder and could not eat. I was at 100 pounds and
    the doc threatened to hospitalize me if I lost anymore
    weight. That is when I discovered Ensure--saved my life. Now
    I use Glucerna. 🙂

    Quoted message said:


    Rather than obsess about your weight, which is fine, find a
    doctor who understands insulin resistance who will help you
    with diet and appropriate meds. I've found one and I am so
    much happier it is ridiculous. And she answers my phone
    questions too!

    I think it is time to call the Endo. I wasn't supposed to
    see him until my toe surgery healed, but I think I need some
    one-on-one help. I need to avoid medication as long as
    possible, due to drug interactions with other meds I take. I
    will probably need to go off of some medications and replace
    them with something else. 20 years of trial and error gone
    down the tubes.

    Thanks to all of you--I think I'm more focused on what I
    need to do and in what order. I'll keep you posted!

    Nancy pre-diabetic (2/2004) just figuring it all out

    to email me, remove the Z

  8. On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 07:24:57 +1000, Alan <[email hidden]>
    etched permanently into the ether:

    Quoted message said:

    Read your sig - figuring it all out. You need to change
    your calculator. According to this one: halls.mdbody mass
    index/bmi.htm you are about 4' 3".

    If you are 124 lbs and over 4' 9" your BMI is less than 27.

    I think I'll call the company that made that #$%& scale I
    have. You know, I went to that site and I put in my weight
    at my last doc appointment and my BMI was 23.4. The docs
    nurse uses a paper chart to figure out BMI. So, now I'm
    really wondering why they keep pushing the weight card.

    Nancy pre-diabetic (2/2004) just figuring it all out

    to email me, remove the Z

  9. On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 03:56:22 -0700, "Kromagnon" <[email hidden]> etched
    permanently into the ether:

    Quoted message said:

    Liposuction WOULD lower your BMI since it's only based on
    height and weight. It would also, obviously, reduce your
    percentage of body fat. What it wouldn't do is
    significantly improve your health.

    So, why bother, eh? I'm sticking with my current POV and I
    don't plan to have liposuction. :P

    Nancy pre-diabetic (2/2004) just figuring it all out

    to email me, remove the Z

  10. In alt.support.diabetes CeeBee <[email hidden]> wrote:
    : "Jenny" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    : misc.health.diabetes:

    : > Some of us, unfortunately, are insulin resistant no
    : > matter what we weigh. If that is the case, losing weight
    : > won't help. Sadly, too many doctors believe that fat
    : > causes all insulin resistance/diabetes and parrot the
    : > "lose weight" mantra without studying what is going on
    : > in our bodies..

    : Every rule has its exceptions. But a BMI of 33 is
    : considered obese and thus there's every reason to try and
    : lose weight.

    : With the epidemic growth over overweight and obesity and
    : the accompanying growth of T2, and overweight being *by
    : far* the most important denominator of T2, _any_ doctor
    : who diagnoses a T2 with clear overweight should
    : immediately apply the "lose weight" mantra before anything
    : else. For the _vast_ majority there is a direct
    : correlation between increasing insulin sensitivity and
    : weight loss.

    : If losing weight does not help - which is indeed possible
    : in a small minority of T2 diabetics, other measures are
    : indeed in order. In the mean time every lost pound of
    : overweight is a blessing to your overall health,
    : notwithstanding that _other_ mantra some people recite
    : that overweight is okay "as long as you feel good". Rather
    : be obsessed with your overweight than accept it as a fact
    : of life. Not in general, certainly not with T2.

    : --
    : CeeBee

    : EMH Mark I: "Stop breathing down my neck." EMH Mark II:
    : "My breath is merely a simulation." EMH Mark I: "So is my
    : neck. Stop it anyway."

    There must be an error in either the weight or the BMI
    number reported. If yu weigh 124 lbs, the BMI can't be 33
    unles, as Jenny says, you are 3 feet tall. I don't have the
    formula handy, but I know these numbers can't add up.

    Wendy

  11. On 17 Jun 2004 18:54:27 GMT, CeeBee <[email hidden]> etched
    permanently into the ether:

    Quoted message said:

    Every rule has its exceptions. But a BMI of 33 is
    considered obese and thus there's every reason to try and
    lose weight.

    I'm sorry but that is SOOO funny, if you could see me! I'm
    far from obese, you can see my ribs. Maybe my BMI scale
    isn't working?

    Nancy pre-diabetic (2/2004) just figuring it all out

    to email me, remove the Z

  12. Are you absolutely sure that the scale is figuring your
    BMI, not your Body Fat Percent??? What kind (brand, model)
    scale is it? bj

    "acoftil" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I think I'll call the company that made that #$%& scale I
    have. You


    know, I

    Quoted message said:

    went to that site and I put in my weight at my last doc
    appointment and my


    BMI

    Quoted message said:

    was 23.4. The docs nurse uses a paper chart to figure out
    BMI. So, now


    I'm

    Quoted message said:

    really wondering why they keep pushing the weight card.

  13. On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:29:13 -0700, acoftil <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 07:24:57 +1000, Alan
    <[email hidden]> etched permanently
    into the ether:

    Quoted message said:

    Read your sig - figuring it all out. You need to change
    your calculator. According to this one: halls.mdbody mass
    index/bmi.htm you are about 4' 3".

    If you are 124 lbs and over 4' 9" your BMI is less
    than 27.

    I think I'll call the company that made that #$%& scale I
    have. You know, I went to that site and I put in my weight
    at my last doc appointment and my BMI was 23.4. The docs
    nurse uses a paper chart to figure out BMI. So, now I'm
    really wondering why they keep pushing the weight card.

    Nancy pre-diabetic (2/2004) just figuring it all out

    to email me, remove the Z

    Nancy, See my earlier reply. The machine isn't wrong, it's
    measuring something different to what you think.

    Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and
    carbs to email.
    --
    Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

  14. "W. Baker" <[email hidden]> wrote in misc.health.diabetes:

    Quoted message said:

    There must be an error in either the weight or the BMI
    number reported. If yu weigh 124 lbs, the BMI can't be 33
    unles, as Jenny says, you are 3 feet tall. I don't have
    the formula handy, but I know these numbers can't add up.

    Actually it's 4 feet 3 🙂 Nancy must have made a
    miscalculation indeed or given the wrong weight. Maybe she's
    224 lbs in which case at 5 feet 9 you're BMI is 33.

    --
    CeeBee

    EMH Mark I: "Stop breathing down my neck." EMH Mark II: "My
    breath is merely a simulation." EMH Mark I: "So is my neck.
    Stop it anyway."

  15. On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 20:57:49 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker" <[email hidden]> etched
    permanently into the ether:

    Quoted message said:

    There must be an error in either the weight or the BMI
    number reported. If yu weigh 124 lbs, the BMI can't be 33
    unles, as Jenny says, you are 3 feet tall. I don't have the
    formula handy, but I know these numbers can't add up.

    Wendy

    I'm 5'2" and weighed 123.666 this morning--still going down.
    🙂 BMI of 33 still.

    I've been concerned that my scale may not be working
    properly. I've had to weigh myself with band aids on my toes
    and that may screw up the BMI function of the scale. I'll
    try weighing myself with the band aids off. 🙂

    OMG! Light turns on. It's my smoking! I am quitting, but
    I never tell anyone my plans, so lets leave it at that
    for now. 🙂

    Nancy pre-diabetic (2/2004) just figuring it all out

    to email me, remove the Z

  16. On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:39:39 -0700, acoftil <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On 17 Jun 2004 18:54:27 GMT, CeeBee
    <[email hidden]> etched permanently into
    the ether:

    Quoted message said:

    Every rule has its exceptions. But a BMI of 33 is
    considered obese and thus there's every reason to try and
    lose weight.

    I'm sorry but that is SOOO funny, if you could see me! I'm
    far from obese, you can see my ribs. Maybe my BMI scale
    isn't working?

    Nancy pre-diabetic (2/2004) just figuring it all out

    to email me, remove the Z

    Nancy, whatever it is that your gizmo measures, it isn't
    BMI. BMI is simply a mathematical relationship between
    height and weight. Yours is great, so stop dieting for any
    further weight loss and start fine-tuning your diet for
    diabetic control and good nutrition.

    To get rid of the fat percentage (which is what I suspect
    your doo-dad is measuring, even though the number is weird)
    slowly start to add a little exercise to your life. There,
    you never thought you'd hear me agree with Tom/Sushi did
    you? Neither did he :-)

    And stop worrying about fat. You've reached that target, aim
    for health.

    Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and
    carbs to email.
    --
    Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

  17. On 18 Jun 2004 00:19:01 GMT, CeeBee <[email hidden]> etched
    permanently into the ether:

    Quoted message said:

    Actually it's 4 feet 3 🙂 Nancy must have made a
    miscalculation indeed or given the wrong weight. Maybe
    she's 224 lbs in which case at 5 feet 9 you're BMI is 33.

    You make me laugh! I think 5'2" is short enough, thank you!
    <g> I doubt I could get out of bed if I weighed 224 lbs. 🙂

    Nancy pre-diabetic (2/2004) just figuring it all out

    to email me, remove the Z

  18. acoftil <[email hidden]> wrote in alt.support.diabetes:

    Quoted message said:

    I'm sorry but that is SOOO funny, if you could see me! I'm
    far from obese, you can see my ribs. Maybe my BMI scale
    isn't working?

    No, I can't see you 🙂 Everyone knows the signs - even the
    early signs of overweight. It doesn't hide itself....

    At 5'2 and 124 lbs your BMI is 22.7 which is perfect. Don't
    worry about overweigth. Probably the scale gives a reading
    for something else, maybe your body fat percentage, although
    33% seems a bit high. Dunno... kick that scale, if it
    doesn't say 'ouch' it's an insensitive bugger.

    You can toy around with such a calculator. Around 140 lbs
    your BMI is about 25 and somewhere in the vicinity of 165
    it's 30. Being 5'2 and 165 your mirror will give a clear
    indication of your status... 😉

    You can calculate your BMI e.g. on this page.

    nhlbisupport.combmicalc.htm

    --
    CeeBee

    EMH Mark I: "Stop breathing down my neck." EMH Mark II: "My
    breath is merely a simulation." EMH Mark I: "So is my neck.
    Stop it anyway."

  19. On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 12:56:18 +1000, Alan <[email hidden]>
    etched permanently into the ether:

    Quoted message said:

    Nancy, whatever it is that your gizmo measures, it isn't
    BMI. BMI is simply a mathematical relationship between
    height and weight. Yours is great, so stop dieting for any
    further weight loss and start fine-tuning your diet for
    diabetic control and good nutrition.

    Now is a good time to add in lunch. 🙂 I talked to the
    dietician and for now, I'll just use Glucerna for lunch--
    then gradually work up to a small lunch and reduced dinner
    size. I never was trying to loose weight--it was just
    happening.

    The scale does measure BMI--it works well for my husband.

    It was my understanding that to get a real BMI reading you
    have to be in water, so they measure your mass, not your
    weight. Then they do what my scale does--send an electric
    current through your body and out the other side and measure
    how long it takes. Then there is some complex calculation
    made to determine the BMI. The only time I've seen this used
    is for experiments and a few expensive weight loss program.

    Quoted message said:


    To get rid of the fat percentage (which is what I suspect
    your doo-dad is measuring, even though the number is weird)
    slowly start to add a little exercise to your life. There,
    you never thought you'd hear me agree with Tom/Sushi did
    you? Neither did he :-)

    <g>

    Quoted message said:


    And stop worrying about fat. You've reached that target,
    aim for health.

    Actually, that was what I was doing and I got bummed out
    (stressed out) because my numbers were going "south".
    Looking back on the last four months, and talking to the
    dietician (who knows me), revealed that I was under
    great stress (toe nails, remodeling, and life stuff)
    which is probably why my numbers weren't good (except
    for my AIC 5.5).

    I'm ready to relax and enjoy my summer. Just have
    carpeting on July 1st. Other than that, good stresses the
    rest of the summer.

    Thanks for caring!

    Now, to get the damned dizzy spells under control--so I can
    travel. Still planing on Australia/New Zealand in 2006--
    probably December.

    I'd be really really bummed out to be retired at 46 and not
    be able to do some traveling.

    Nancy pre-diabetic (2/2004) starting to get some control
    Fasting bg 119 A!C 5.5 Cholesteral sucks

    to email me, remove the Z

  20. On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:57:26 -0700, acoftil <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Now, to get the damned dizzy spells under control--so I can
    travel. Still planing on Australia/New Zealand in 2006--
    probably December.

    I'd be really really bummed out to be retired at 46 and not
    be able to do some traveling.

    Hi Nancy

    If your timing is flexible, spring or autumn are better to
    allow you to visit the north in the dry times. December can
    be hot everywhere and rather wet up north. Best timing is
    September/October, best of all is March/April/May.

    If you are staying south of the Tropic of Capricorn, then
    ignore everything I just said.

    And I still reckon your gizmo doesn't measure BMI :-)

    Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and
    carbs to email.
    --
    Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

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