I'm trying to fit some Grab-On foam and see from the pack that I should be able to use liquid soap as a lubricant. In US usage is this the liquid detergent used for washing dishes that we call "washing up liquid" in the UK or is it actually a soap?
The soap / detergent distinction matters for some things like proofed nylon garments so I don't want to try the wrong stuff and spoil my expensive foam or have them slide off the drops in use. --
I'm trying to fit some Grab-On foam and see from the pack that I should be able to use liquid soap as a lubricant. In US usage is this the liquid detergent used for washing dishes that we call "washing up liquid" in the UK or is it actually a soap?
The soap / detergent distinction matters for some things like proofed nylon garments so I don't want to try the wrong stuff and spoil my expensive foam or have them slide off the drops in use.
Yes, USA "dish soap" is UK "washing up liquid" and it should work with your Grab-On foam. Slippery when wet, dries to a sticky film.
I'm trying to fit some Grab-On foam and see from the pack that I should be able to use liquid soap as a lubricant. In US usage is this the liquid detergent used for washing dishes that we call "washing up liquid" in the UK or is it actually a soap?
The soap / detergent distinction matters for some things like proofed nylon garments so I don't want to try the wrong stuff and spoil my expensive foam or have them slide off the drops in use.
Sounds like liquid hand-washing soap, although other manufacturers I know of specify dishwashing detergent.
I'm trying to fit some Grab-On foam and see from the pack that I should be able to use liquid soap as a lubricant. In US usage is this the liquid detergent used for washing dishes that we call "washing up liquid" in the UK or is it actually a soap?
Yes, that's what they mean, but it's not what I'd recommend.
I generally use hair spray or isopropyl alcohol (rubbing alcohol, denatured alcohol) Use lots.
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The soap / detergent distinction matters for some things like proofed nylon garments so I don't want to try the wrong stuff and spoil my expensive foam or have them slide off the drops in use.
Water-based lubricants are prone to slippage in wet conditions. I would advise against using soap.
The Ultimate Weapon is a hypodermic syringe full of alcohol.
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I'm trying to fit some Grab-On foam and see from the pack that I should be able to use liquid soap as a lubricant. In US usage is this the liquid detergent used for washing dishes that we call "washing up liquid" in the UK or is it actually a soap?
Yes, that's what they mean, but it's not what I'd recommend.
I generally use hair spray or isopropyl alcohol (rubbing alcohol, denatured alcohol) Use lots.
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The soap / detergent distinction matters for some things like proofed nylon garments so I don't want to try the wrong stuff and spoil my expensive foam or have them slide off the drops in use.
Water-based lubricants are prone to slippage in wet conditions. I would advise against using soap.
The Ultimate Weapon is a hypodermic syringe full of alcohol.
Sheldon "CH3.CHOH.CH3." Brown +-----------------------------------+ | Habit is the nursery of errors. | | --Victor Hugo | +-----------------------------------+ Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041 http://harriscyclery.com Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide http://captainbike.comhttp://sheldonbrown.com
soap is a problem in the wet. try 2-3 electrical wire ties vise gripped tight on bar end after installation. the ties lock blocks tend to bar foam from traveling. aslo a scrap of sandpaper under the ties to keep the... if the bar was soaped prior and remeber at noon cover the bar when parked with a t-shirt wrapped up an around the bar-bar foam is uv sensitive.
I'm trying to fit some Grab-On foam and see from the pack that I should be able to use liquid soap as a lubricant. In US usage is this the liquid detergent used for washing dishes that we call "washing up liquid" in the UK or is it actually a soap?
Yes, that's what they mean, but it's not what I'd recommend.
I generally use hair spray or isopropyl alcohol (rubbing alcohol, denatured alcohol) Use lots.
I've also used rubbing alcohol to good effect. I also used hot water once, but that might have been a different type of grip (i.e. not Grab- On).
Denatured alcohol isn't the same as rubbing alcohol, though. Denatured alcohol is ethanol with something added to make it undrinkable, so as to avoid paying alcoholic-beverage taxes. Rubbing alcohol is usually isopropanol diluted with water. I don't know whether ethanol would work any differently from isopropanol in terms of grip installation.
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I'm trying to fit some Grab-On foam and see from the pack that I should be able to use liquid soap as a lubricant. In US usage is this the liquid detergent used for washing dishes that we call "washing up liquid" in the UK or is it actually a soap?
Yes, that's what they mean, but it's not what I'd recommend.
I generally use hair spray or isopropyl alcohol (rubbing alcohol, denatured alcohol) Use lots.
I've also used rubbing alcohol to good effect. I also used hot water once, but that might have been a different type of grip (i.e. not Grab- On).
Denatured alcohol isn't the same as rubbing alcohol, though. Denatured alcohol is ethanol with something added to make it undrinkable, so as to avoid paying alcoholic-beverage taxes. Rubbing alcohol is usually isopropanol diluted with water. I don't know whether ethanol would work any differently from isopropanol in terms of grip installation.
I'm trying to fit some Grab-On foam and see from the pack that I should be able to use liquid soap as a lubricant. In US usage is this the liquid detergent used for washing dishes that we call "washing up liquid" in the UK
Yes.
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The soap / detergent distinction matters for some things like proofed nylon garments so I don't want to try the wrong stuff and spoil my expensive foam or have them slide off the drops in use.
Use water alone, then, in my opinion. The detergent tends to allow the grip to slip later on, while water will not. -- Typoes are a feature, not a bug. Some gardening required to reply via email. Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.
Denatured alcohol isn't the same as rubbing alcohol, though. Denatured alcohol is ethanol with something added to make it undrinkable, so as to avoid paying alcoholic-beverage taxes.
Usually methanol, which is nastily toxic but does not change the flavor. At one time, this fact was a leading cause of blindness among the indigent population in the US.
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Rubbing alcohol is usually isopropanol diluted with water. I don't know whether ethanol would work any differently from isopropanol in terms of grip installation.
Pure iropropanol is seldom sold; it's almost always diluted with water, and works well as a grip slip lube in that form. I've also had relatively good luck just using water, but it doesn't work as well as rubbing alcohol. (This trick is one I use so seldom that it slipped my mind when I posted my own comments noting that water would be a less troublesome choice than detergent.) -- Typoes are a feature, not a bug. Some gardening required to reply via email. Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.
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I'm trying to fit some Grab-On foam and see from the pack that I should be able to use liquid soap as a lubricant. In US usage is this the liquid detergent used for washing dishes that we call "washing up liquid" in the UK or is it actually a soap?
The soap / detergent distinction matters for some things like proofed nylon garments so I don't want to try the wrong stuff and spoil my expensive foam or have them slide off the drops in use.
I actually used black spray paint when I used to install Grab-ons on motorcycles. Spray the paint in the grip and it slips on easily and then provides a bit of adhesion when it dries
Denatured alcohol isn't the same as rubbing alcohol, though. Denatured alcohol is ethanol with something added to make it undrinkable, so as to avoid paying alcoholic-beverage taxes.
Usually methanol, which is nastily toxic but does not change the flavor. At one time, this fact was a leading cause of blindness among the indigent population in the US.
Benzene is also popular. Benzene is added to the alcohol to make it possible to distill it to ~100% purity, and a little bit is left after distillation to make it undrinkable.
Other things are also used, depending on what the denatured alcohol is going to be used for.
