Liver/ gall bladder flush NOT! recommended at outset

(toby jones) said:

"I have been diagnosed or believe I have gall stones – should I do a gall bladder/liver flush?"

"No – this is not recommended as a first step." ...

"It is recommended to have an ultrasound of the gall bladder before undertaking the flush to
make sure.

"The reason being that if the gall bladder is full of silent gall stones and a flush is undertaken
– these stones _may become impacted in the narrow bile ducts as they are flushed out_. This may
cause a tear in the duct."

www.liverdoctor.com/Section4/gallbladder.asp

You would expect ex-Dr Cabot to say this. Flushes compete with her own scam.

I had something to say about ex-Dr Cabot at ratbags.comdrcabot.htmOpen ↗

Australia exports lots of things - coal, natural gas, manufactured goods, minerals, agricultural
produce, meat, live sheep, wine, ... . One export of which we cannot be proud is Dr Sandra Cabot,
author of a string of execrable books devoted to exploiting people's fears about their health and
moving their money into her bank account.

An indication of Dr Cabot's contempt for both the truth and her readers is the fact that she lies
about her university qualifications. On the covers of many of her books and on her web site she is
referred to as "Sandra Cabot MD". Dr Cabot is indeed a medical doctor, although she does not seem to
be licensed to practise in Australia. The reasons for this lack of registration are cloudy, and
Australian defamation laws deter me from speculation on the rumours. My complaint is not that she is
not qualified as a doctor, it is that she does not hold a degree abbreviated to "MD".

On her site she says that she is a graduate of the University of Adelaide where, as with most
Australian medical schools, she was awarded the two degrees Bachelor of Medicine and Bachelor of
Surgery, abbreviated to "MB,BS". I have been told by an apologist for Dr Cabot that she uses the
form of qualification issued by American universities as some sort of marketing label so as not to
confuse residents of that country. So what? The facts are that she does not hold the degree of MD
and is not entitled to put the initials after her name. I realise that this is only a small thing,
but deceit on the cover of a book is a fair indication of the author's attitude to the presentation
of facts between the covers.

--
Peter Bowditch
The Millenium Project ratbags.comrsolesOpen ↗
The Green Light ratbags.comgreenlightOpen ↗
and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 ratbags.comloonOpen ↗
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Liver/ gall bladder flush NOT! recommended at outset
From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
Date: 3/2/2004 2:29 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I had something to say about ex-Dr Cabot at ratbags.comdrcabot.htmOpen ↗

thanks for pointing this out..

I had my own doubts when I visited her site...

firstly the totally unprofessional picture of her made me shake my head..

then I read of her "naturopath" distinction,,,,and I shake my head again..

then when she calls herself a "liver doc"..I look for clarification...is she a hepatologist?? which
is what a liver doc is..

then I come to the section where she is "selling things"...not just books..but products..and I am
about convinced that she may well be in the same category as Hulda Clark (tho maybe a better
looking woman)

isn't it funny,,strange..that so many are content to defend and believe,,and fight like cats when
the truth is pointed out..

sad that..

hawki.....

I guess you didn't read the posted article then.

It contradicts itself in one paragraph says "Dr Cabot is indeed a medical doctor" and in another
paragraph says the "My complaint is not that she is not qualified as a doctor, it is that she does
not hold a degree abbreviated to "MD""

garbage?

Anybody using this article for a source of information is truly a quack themselves.

"Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Liver/ gall bladder flush NOT! recommended at outset From: Peter Bowditch
[email hidden] Date: 3/2/2004 2:29 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
<[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I had something to say about ex-Dr Cabot at ratbags.comdrcabot.htmOpen ↗

thanks for pointing this out..

I had my own doubts when I visited her site...

firstly the totally unprofessional picture of her made me shake my head..

then I read of her "naturopath" distinction,,,,and I shake my head again..

then when she calls herself a "liver doc"..I look for clarification...is

she a

Quoted message said:

hepatologist?? which is what a liver doc is..

then I come to the section where she is "selling things"...not just

books..but

Quoted message said:

products..and I am about convinced that she may well be in the same

category as

Quoted message said:

Hulda Clark (tho maybe a better looking woman)

isn't it funny,,strange..that so many are content to defend and

believe,,and

Quoted message said:

fight like cats when the truth is pointed out..

sad that..

hawki.....

(Hawki63) said:

then when she calls herself a "liver doc"

Though it meant Liver Dock

You know, that loading area behind the abattoir.

--

Take out the G'RBAGE for private discussion.
[email hidden]

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Liver/ gall bladder flush NOT! recommended at outset
From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
Date: 3/2/2004 2:29 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

(toby jones) said:

"I have been diagnosed or believe I have gall stones – should I do a gall bladder/liver flush?"

"No – this is not recommended as a first step." ...

"It is recommended to have an ultrasound of the gall bladder before undertaking the flush to
make sure.

"The reason being that if the gall bladder is full of silent gall stones and a flush is undertaken
– these stones _may become impacted in the narrow bile ducts as they are flushed out_. This may
cause a tear in the duct."

www.liverdoctor.com/Section4/gallbladder.asp

You would expect ex-Dr Cabot to say this. Flushes compete with her own scam.

I had something to say about ex-Dr Cabot at ratbags.comdrcabot.htmOpen ↗

Australia exports lots of things - coal, natural gas, manufactured goods, minerals, agricultural
produce, meat, live sheep, wine, ... . One export of which we cannot be proud is Dr Sandra Cabot,
author of a string of execrable books devoted to exploiting people's fears about their health and
moving their money into her bank account.

An indication of Dr Cabot's contempt for both the truth and her readers is the fact that she lies
about her university qualifications. On the covers of many of her books and on her web site she is
referred to as "Sandra Cabot MD". Dr Cabot is indeed a medical doctor, although she does not seem
to be licensed to practise in Australia. The reasons for this lack of registration are cloudy, and
Australian defamation laws deter me from speculation on the rumours. My complaint is not that she
is not qualified as a doctor, it is that she does not hold a degree abbreviated to "MD".

On her site she says that she is a graduate of the University of Adelaide where, as with most
Australian medical schools, she was awarded the two degrees Bachelor of Medicine and Bachelor of
Surgery, abbreviated to "MB,BS". I have been told by an apologist for Dr Cabot that she uses the
form of qualification issued by American universities as some sort of marketing label so as not to
confuse residents of that country. So what? The facts are that she does not hold the degree of MD
and is not entitled to put the initials after her name. I realise that this is only a small thing,
but deceit on the cover of a book is a fair indication of the author's attitude to the presentation
of facts between the covers.

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From: Jan ([email hidden]) Subject: Re: Amalgam Not Cleared View: Complete Thread (39 articles)
Original Format Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry Date: 2002-11-27 23:24:57 PST

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Amalgam Not Cleared From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden] Date: 11/28/02 1:11 AM US
Eastern Standard Time Message-id: <[email hidden]>

(Jan) said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Amalgam Not Cleared From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden] Date: 11/27/02 5:45 PM
US Eastern Standard Time Message-id: <[email hidden]>

[email hidden] (Jan) wrote:

>There is NO safe form of Mercury in living tissue.

What are your qualifications to say this, Jan?

For those not following MHA, this is posted because Peter is going to be an advisor to an anti-
quackery committee, and I have asked him, his

qualifictions,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

he has skipped, and danced but NOT answered, which means he has no medical qualifications. EVEN
though he is famous for squawking about qualifications.

Now, he is caught red handed in double standards.

To answer you, Peter, I didn't say it. I posted it.

Check the WHO and see if you can find it!

Jan

Further explanation is needed.

I am assisting a committee which is going to investigate fraud. Jan would like to see this fraud
continue on unabated. She does not believe that anyone who is not actively committing fraud should
be permitted to try to stop it happening.

As usual, this is a lie. I condone no fraud.. My questions are :

What are your qualifications to be advisor, Peter?

WHY have you not answered this repeated question???????

As a matter of fact there are several you have not answered,,,,,,,,,,,,

WHO decides what is useless, and what is *potentially* dangerous??????

AND DO YOU AND YOUR BUDDIES PLAN TO STOP WHAT IS ALREADY KNOWN TO BE DANGEROUS??

And WHAT are YOUR qualifications, Peter??? Like Barrett, are YOU qualiified to make these
decisions????

Quoted message said:

I assume that you are not in favour of vulnerable people being ripped off.

You are correct. *MY* concern is WHO decides and WHAT are their qualifications???

Is this a CONTROL problem?? Sure sounds like *anything* NOT endored by *organized medicine* is
either useless or *potentially* dangerous. Is this correct??

Are you a right hand man for Barrett??

AND WHAT ARE YOUR QUALIFICATIONS???????

I predict,,,,,,,,,,,,,,that *ANYTHING* not endorsed by organized medicine will be
banned,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Now, do show us how TRUTHFUL you are and tell us WHAT ARE YOUR QUALIFICATIONS TO BE ON THIS
COMMITTEE,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

It is You who is always saying practitioners are not qualified, NOW I am asking WHAT ARE YOUR
QUALIFACTIONS??????

Peter did NOT answer. His buddies rushed in to answer for him, while he remained silent.

If anyone wants to follow the discussion it is under Anti-Qquackery committee on MHA.

Quoted message said:

I have given Jan my qualifications to be an advisor to this committee, but she does not think that
I am the right person.

Please do post them. The facts are you have given none, just some feelings and comparsions.

Quoted message said:

She thinks I am acting under the instructions of someone who lives 12,000 miles from my place and
whom I have never met.

Mercy the tales keep getting longer. I have said not one word about you acting under anyone
instructions.

Quoted message said:

As evidence of Jan's double standards, apparently I should be a medical doctor if I am to fight
medical fraud, but I don't have to be one to commit the fraud.

Not even. It is YOU who has the double standards. I asked for your qualification to be an advisor on
this so called anti-quackery committee who will be making medical decisions.

It appears you have none, you have NOT reported them.

You are a LIAR!

Quoted message said:

More at ratbags.comquackeryOpen ↗

For the truth of the discussion, see Anti-Quackery Committee

AND

Stop All Alternative Committee.

Jan

After not letting him get by with his being a total hyporcrite, he FINALLY answered:

My qualifications are that I am a scientifically-literate, concerned citizen with a particular
interest in medical quackery. I am sick of seeing liars and thieves get away with their lying and
thieving. I am sick of hearing stories about families being impoverished in order to pay for useless
medical treatments for their sick children. I am sick of hearing about desperate people being robbed
of their life savings by charlatans who only care about money. I am sick of hearing that murderers
are heroes and heroes are murderers. Or, as George Mallory said about climbing Mount Everest:
"Because it's there".
===
Then he goes to Las Vegas to speak.

We'll have two important speakers informing us on the present state of quackery. Dr. Steve Barrett,
of www.Quackwatch.com fame will describe the situation in the USA, and

**** Peter Bowditch, from Australia, will bring Down Under Quackery, way Up Top for us.*****

Peter's *medical* qualifications to be an advisor on a quackery committee.

ZERO!!

Concerned citizen will do.

What a total hypocrite!!!!

Jan

(Jan) said:

Peter has NO medical qualifications, he is NOT QUALIFIED to judge what is quackery.

What qualifications does Jan have in judging what is mercury poisoning? Oooops.

Aloha,

Rich

Quoted message said:

Jan

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The best defense to logic is ignorance

(Jan) said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Liver/ gall bladder flush NOT! recommended at outset From: Peter Bowditch
[email hidden] Date: 3/2/2004 9:24 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
<[email hidden]>

As this is a classic example of how Jan Drew tries to divert a conversation when she has nothing
substantive to say

No, it is to show the hypocrite that you are.

There was no diversion, qualifications were brought up by YOU and the *GANG*.

Quoted message said:

I will open a small [censored] in my moratorium and reply. Janisms demonstrated here are:

Poor Peter, he brought up qualifications and now the subject becomes Jan.

I did not bring up the subject of qualifications. Ex-Dr Sandra Cabot has medical qualifications
which would allow her to practice anywhere in Australia if she still had a licence. What I said was
that she does not have a degree called "MD". She has two degrees called "MB,BS". She is perfectly
entitled to put these letters after her name and use them on the covers of her books. She is not
entitled to put "MD" after her name.

Forget about the subject becoming Jan. You made the subject me. If I want to talk about my
university qualifications I put BA, GDTM after my name. I don't lie and pretend that my degrees are
called something else.

Quoted message said:

While he talks of diversion.

Just another example of transference of weakness to others.

<snip rant abouut Jan>

Because Peter is caught once again being a tootal hypocrite and qualifications are only absolutely
necessary for anyone EXCEPT himself, then just being a concerned citizens will do.

Jan gets right down to bsiness and tells it like it is, Peter then rants, and it changes nothing.

Peter has NO medical qualifications, he is NOT QUALIFIED to judge what is quackery.

Period.

Jan

--
Peter Bowditch
The Millenium Project ratbags.comrsolesOpen ↗
The Green Light ratbags.comgreenlightOpen ↗
and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 ratbags.comloonOpen ↗
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

(Jan) said:

You have NO MEDICAL qualifications to make judgements on quackery.

You have NO MEDICAL qualiifications to speak on medical matters at any conferences.

Says Jan Drew, the advertizing agency for the naturopath mafia, the very same jan Drew, wo lies
and forges.

Jan Drew is a shmaame for the human race.

Regards,

Aribert Deckers
--
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ariplex.comama no15.htmOpen ↗ ariplex.comama no12.htmOpen ↗
ariplex.comama noni.htmOpen ↗ ariplex.comama non5.htmOpen ↗
ariplex.comama non4.htmOpen ↗ ariplex.comama non6.htmOpen ↗

[email hidden] (Jan) wrote:

<snip repetitious [censored]>

Quoted message said:

You have NO MEDICAL qualifications to make judgements on quackery.

And you do?

Quoted message said:

You have NO MEDICAL qualiifications to speak on medical matters at any conferences.

And you do?

Quoted message said:

Of course, we all know what kind of conference it was and why.

Tell us about the conference. How many people spoke about medical quackery? Who were they? What did
the other speakers talk about? Did Penn Jilette use bad words? What did Teller teach when he was a
teacher? What aspects of quackery were highlighted in Dr Plait's talk? What didn't you like about Dr
Scott's speech? Do you disagree with Dr Park? Were Dr Beiesdorfer's shirts more colourful than mine?
Do you think that it was appropriate for Dr Carroll to mention my shirts? Should Dr Bidlack be
criticised for introducing me as Dr Bowditch and then telling everyone that the degree was a fake?

Tell us.

--
Peter Bowditch
The Millenium Project ratbags.comrsolesOpen ↗
The Green Light ratbags.comgreenlightOpen ↗
and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 ratbags.comloonOpen ↗
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

Peter Bowditch said:

[email hidden] (Jan) wrote:

<snip repetitious [censored]>

Quoted message said:

You have NO MEDICAL qualifications to make judgements on quackery.

And you do?

Cue Jan to say that she is not on a quackery committee or to accuse you of diversion.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You have NO MEDICAL qualiifications to speak on medical matters at any conferences.

And you do?

Cue Jan to say the same.

Cue Jan to pretend she is not reading my post but then inexplicably and gratuitously attack me from
behind her imaginary kill file.

Aloha,

Rich
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The best defense to logic is ignorance

(Jan) said:

You have NO MEDICAL qualifications to make judgements on quackery.

You have NO MEDICAL qualiifications to speak on medical matters at any conferences.

Says Jan Drew, the advertizing agency for the naturopath mafia, the very same jan Drew, wo lies
and forges.

Jan Drew is a shame for the human race.

More about the naturopath mafia advertizing agency Jan Drew :

geocities.comQuackery.htmlOpen ↗

Regards,

Aribert Deckers
--
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ariplex.comama no15.htmOpen ↗ ariplex.comama no12.htmOpen ↗
ariplex.comama noni.htmOpen ↗ ariplex.comama non5.htmOpen ↗
ariplex.comama non4.htmOpen ↗ ariplex.comama non6.htmOpen ↗

Quoted message said:

"I have been diagnosed or believe I have gall stones ? should I do a gall bladder/liver flush?"

"No ? this is not recommended as a first step." ...

"It is recommended to have an ultrasound of the gall bladder before undertaking the flush to
make sure.

"The reason being that if the gall bladder is full of silent gall stones and a flush is undertaken
? these stones _may become impacted in the narrow bile ducts as they are flushed out_. This may
cause a tear in the duct."

I've been told that I need to do this, and bought a book called The Amazing Liver Cleanse by Andreas
Moritz. It says if you drink a litre of apple juice a day for the 6-days leading up to the day of
the cleanse, it will open up the bile ducts and soften the stones. Sound credible?

Hmm I better start again then as I've only drank 1 pint. Anth

"The Mullen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"I have been diagnosed or believe I have gall stones ? should I do a gall bladder/liver flush?"

"No ? this is not recommended as a first step." ...

"It is recommended to have an ultrasound of the gall bladder before undertaking the flush to
make sure.

"The reason being that if the gall bladder is full of silent gall stones and a flush is
undertaken ? these stones _may become impacted in the narrow bile ducts as they are flushed
out_. This may cause a tear in the duct."

I've been told that I need to do this, and bought a book called The Amazing Liver Cleanse by
Andreas Moritz. It says if you drink a litre of apple juice a day for the 6-days leading up to the
day of the cleanse, it will open up the bile ducts and soften the stones. Sound credible?

[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Liver/ gall bladder flush NOT! recommended at outset From: Peter Bowditch
[email hidden] Date: 3/3/2004 2:33 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
<[email hidden]>

[email hidden] (Jan) wrote:

<snip repetitious [censored]>

Otay.

<snip>

Another absolutely STUNNING comeback from the Janster! We are all awestruck by your clever use of
logic to reply to Peter B's questions. Bravo, Jan, bravo.

Mark, MD

"Mark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in message

news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Liver/ gall bladder flush NOT! recommended at outset From: Peter Bowditch
[email hidden] Date: 3/3/2004 2:33 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
<[email hidden]>

[email hidden] (Jan) wrote:

<snip repetitious [censored]>

Otay.

<snip>

Another absolutely STUNNING comeback from the Janster! We are all awestruck by your clever use of
logic to reply to Peter B's questions. Bravo, Jan, bravo.

Mark, MD

"Gymmy Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I hope Jan drew takes you to task for your foul typing.