Look abandoning pre-keo pedals

Quoted message said:

The pre-keo pedals like the 3.1 are disappearing. Does that mean
eventually we Look users will eventually have to move to the Keo?

Not at all; you should be able to get cleats for many years to come, and if
you're desperate to keep old-style pedals on your various bikes, eBay will
probably have them for some time. But there are some distinct advantages to
the newer design (seems to hold up a bit better in terms of both bearing &
cleat wear) and has a very solid feel. And, of course, lighter weight and
greater cornering clearance, which may or may not be a concern.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Quoted message said:

The pre-keo pedals like the 3.1 are disappearing. Does that mean
eventually we Look users will eventually have to move to the Keo?

Not at all; you should be able to get cleats for many years to come,
and if you're desperate to keep old-style pedals on your various
bikes, eBay will probably have them for some time. But there are some
distinct advantages to the newer design (seems to hold up a bit
better in terms of both bearing & cleat wear) and has a very solid
feel. And, of course, lighter weight and greater cornering clearance,
which may or may not be a concern.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

Are the Keos easier to get into and out of?

"Neal" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Quoted message said:

The pre-keo pedals like the 3.1 are disappearing. Does that mean
eventually we Look users will eventually have to move to the Keo?

Not at all; you should be able to get cleats for many years to come,
and if you're desperate to keep old-style pedals on your various
bikes, eBay will probably have them for some time. But there are some
distinct advantages to the newer design (seems to hold up a bit
better in terms of both bearing & cleat wear) and has a very solid
feel. And, of course, lighter weight and greater cornering clearance,
which may or may not be a concern.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

Are the Keos easier to get into and out of?

I have a few customers who believe that's the case, but others say they're
the same. I think it depends upon which of the original pedals you had; some
came with pretty high spring tension, and even at the lowest setting, was
still pretty high.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

Callistus Valerius said:

The pre-keo pedals like the 3.1 are disappearing. Does that mean
eventually we Look users will eventually have to move to the Keo?

Eventaully but probably because the older pedals are worn out, not
because the cleats are hard to find. BUT it is too bad that another
company makes a product and by designed in obsolecence, makes the older
ones in need of repacement cuz you can't find $15 cleats...much like
BBs and such.....

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Callistus Valerius said:

The pre-keo pedals like the 3.1 are disappearing. Does that mean
eventually we Look users will eventually have to move to the Keo?

Eventaully but probably because the older pedals are worn out, not
because the cleats are hard to find. BUT it is too bad that another
company makes a product and by designed in obsolecence, makes the older
ones in need of repacement cuz you can't find $15 cleats...much like
BBs and such.....

Especially with Look because they had such a big market share. When
clipless pedals came out there were dozens of competing designs
including some pretty odd ones - most of them just disappeared. People
like me went with Look because they were so popular we were sure they'd
be around for a long time. People that went Aerolight or Sampson or
Mavic had the same thing happen to them except instead of a redesign
they just had a complete discontinuation. That still makes Look a good
choice if your criteria is non-obsolesence.

Anyone know the rank of pedals by usage? I'd guess:
1 - Look delta
2 - SPD
3 - Time road
4 - LanceSPD
5 - Speedplay
6 - Egg beaters
7 - Time mtb
8 - Look Keo

Diablo Scott said:

Anyone know the rank of pedals by usage? I'd guess:
1 - Look delta
2 - SPD
3 - Time road
4 - LanceSPD
5 - Speedplay
6 - Egg beaters
7 - Time mtb
8 - Look Keo

My guesses would be somewhat different. I bet overall there are more road
bikers using spds than looks, many of them using mountain bike or touring
shoes. I also wonder about Time road cleats being that popular. I
certainly see more riders on Speedplays than Time. Finally, there are a
significant number of road bikers using Speedplay Frogs, probably more
than use Time mtb pedals, and about even with eggbeaters. Lots of
long-distance tourists use Frogs.

--

David L. Johnson

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Mike Jacoubowsky said:

But there are some distinct advantages to
the newer design (seems to hold up a bit better in terms of both bearing &
cleat wear) and has a very solid feel. And, of course, lighter weight and
greater cornering clearance, which may or may not be a concern.

Saw few Keo cleats breaking, one of them (black) was even on it's first ride,
so I wonder are new cleats strong as delta ones were.
I think that Keo pedals are fine, but cleats look somewhat suspicious to me.
Funny thing is that I was just about to buy Keo Classic, but when I saw how
many cleats have my friends broken in few weeks I decided to postpone shopping
and find A5.1 pedal on sale.

David L. Johnson says...

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certainly see more riders on Speedplays than Time. Finally, there are a
significant number of road bikers using Speedplay Frogs, probably more
than use Time mtb pedals, and about even with eggbeaters. Lots of
long-distance tourists use Frogs.

That's because Frogs have that great easy out thing going for them.
Getting in isn't quite as jazzy. They also have wild and crazy float.

Diablo Scott said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Eventaully but probably because the older pedals are worn out, not
because the cleats are hard to find. BUT it is too bad that another
company makes a product and by designed in obsolecence, makes the older
ones in need of repacement cuz you can't find $15 cleats...much like
BBs and such.....

Quoted message said:

Especially with Look because they had such a big market share. When
clipless pedals came out there were dozens of competing designs
including some pretty odd ones - most of them just disappeared. People
like me went with Look because they were so popular we were sure they'd
be around for a long time. People that went Aerolight or Sampson or
Mavic had the same thing happen to them except instead of a redesign
they just had a complete discontinuation. That still makes Look a good
choice if your criteria is non-obsolesence.

I guessed that one motive for Look to develop a new type
of pedal was the (presumed) expiration of the patent on the
originals, since they might be undercut by manufacturers making
knockoffs. Such is the global economy ... the flipside is
that other manufacturers can now make 100% compatible
Delta cleats without infringing any patent. So if there is a
demand for Look Delta cleats and Look doesn't make them
anymore, someone else will. It's not like (for ex) Octalink
BBs, where Shimano is the sole supplier.

Quoted message said:

I guessed that one motive for Look to develop a new type
of pedal was the (presumed) expiration of the patent on the
originals, since they might be undercut by manufacturers making
knockoffs. Such is the global economy ... the flipside is
that other manufacturers can now make 100% compatible
Delta cleats without infringing any patent. So if there is a
demand for Look Delta cleats and Look doesn't make them
anymore, someone else will. It's not like (for ex) Octalink
BBs, where Shimano is the sole supplier.

To your point, Ritchey, Nashbar, and Performance are all offering new
pedal models which utilize the LOOK delta cleat. I suspect this design
will not dissapear anytime soon. Still, based on previous lessons, one
should plan ahead when faced with possible discontinuation of a
product. I bought 10 pairs of older-style LOOK delta cleats for $9 each
when Nashbar blew them out about a year ago.

Quoted message said:

To your point, Ritchey, Nashbar, and Performance are all offering new
pedal models which utilize the LOOK delta cleat. I suspect this design
will not dissapear anytime soon. Still, based on previous lessons, one
should plan ahead when faced with possible discontinuation of a
product. I bought 10 pairs of older-style LOOK delta cleats for $9 each
when Nashbar blew them out about a year ago.

I did the same thing. But if you look at the google archives on
rebuilding Look pedals, you find out it's not worth the effort. So
eventually you have to replace that pedal, and they don't make them anymore.
There's still some out there, but I predict in two years, it'll be hard to
find any.

Callistus Valerius said:

Quoted message said:

To your point, Ritchey, Nashbar, and Performance are all offering new
pedal models which utilize the LOOK delta cleat. I suspect this design
will not dissapear anytime soon. Still, based on previous lessons, one
should plan ahead when faced with possible discontinuation of a
product. I bought 10 pairs of older-style LOOK delta cleats for $9 each
when Nashbar blew them out about a year ago.

I did the same thing. But if you look at the google archives on
rebuilding Look pedals, you find out it's not worth the effort. So
eventually you have to replace that pedal, and they don't make them anymore.
There's still some out there, but I predict in two years, it'll be hard to
find any.

I'm still riding the same Shimano (Dura Ace) PD-7401 LOOK-style pedals
that I bought 15 years ago. Although they are heavy by current
standards and very scratched up, these all-metal pedals are so
over-built that I don't expect them to ever fail. Anyone who likes the
old style LOOK pedals and doesn't care about weight should look for a
pair of these on ebay.