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  1. just me said:

    true, but anyone who uses the black stuff should be subjected to the same rules, not just cops not pulling people over so its ok lets speed.

    i just think that the cycelists push the rules a bit too much, remember the road was origenaly made for cars and we do pay registration to use it

    well i thought actually signing up and being reasonable would get me both sides of the debate, seems i was wrong

    The rules are that cyclists and cars have an equal right to the road. Simple right?

    Now onto the road registration fee thing - Cyclists aren't the problem, cars aren't the problem - 99% of wear is caused by trucking companies who overload their vehicles. A truck which is overloaded by 25% causes 244% more wear. (AUSTROADS)

    I'm sorry to hear about your bad experiences with cyclists, but don't paint everyone with the same brush. I'm sure there are bad drivers as well.

    Disclosure : I use to own a commodore, I sold it for a Ford Falcon. Which is not as good.

  2. existence said:

    I cant see any attempt by you to 'be reasonable' neither do I see any attempt by you to 'get both sides of the debate'. What I do see is you sprouting an illiterate diatribe of nonsense.

    By the way the word I believe you are trying to master is 'cyclists'. Perhaps I should call your car a 'broom-broom'?

    You are trying to create a debate that is non-existent. Both vehicles (cars and bikes) have equal rights to use of the roads (albeit differing obligations). Both vehicles have a renegade small percentage of users who flaunt the road law. That is life.

    well i wasnt coming here to start an argument mate so i dont know what your problem is. all your doing is showing your true colours, your ignotant here and im guessing your ignorant on the road too.
    End of that.

    by contrast:

    Rockslayer said:

    You are probably right some ppl can't see both sides of the debate if there is one.
    People should just respect each other no matter what mode of transport.

    There's nothing wrong with a commodores as I have owned two of them many years ago.

    Alot of cyclists are also drivers of motor vehicles and also pay registration. Even using public road transport one contributes to the cost of the roads everyone is a user. Registration costs are based on weight of vehicle, basically the heavier the vehicle the more wear/damage they can cause. A bike would barely contribute to wear on the road. Roads are made for all modes transport not just cars. We've already pushed horse and carts away bikes are hear to stay.

    Pedestrians don't pay a "pedestrian registration" so does that mean they shouldn't be allowed to use pathways?

    I agree the same set of road rules should apply for all road users so we can all get along. There are good and bad examples of both. Don't feel bad, you have put across a good point. I don't like to be put in the same group of "cyclists" that show no regard for road rules and respect for drivers.

    my issue has never been about road wear when it comes to rego, its the insurance.

    xxamr_corpxx said:


    Now onto the road registration fee thing - Cyclists aren't the problem, cars aren't the problem - 99% of wear is caused by trucking companies who overload their vehicles. A truck which is overloaded by 25% causes 244% more wear. (AUSTROADS)

    I'm sorry to hear about your bad experiences with cyclists, but don't paint everyone with the same brush. I'm sure there are bad drivers as well.

    well that statistic i didnt know.

    yeah, i try to never make stereotypes because im sick of people classing me as a hoon just because i drive a modifyed car. if i wanna go hard, i go to the track.

  3. just me said:

    i just think that the cycelists push the rules a bit too much, remember the road was origenaly made for cars and we do pay registration to use it

    I'll go easy and only pick you up on the errors in this one sentence.

    1) Roads were not "origenaly [sic] made for cars" - roads existed well before cars were around. Bikes used them, as did horses.
    2) You do not pay registration to use the roads. You pay registration to register your vehicle and you pay the TAC levy to pay for injuries caused by road accidents (mostly by cars). Road funding comes from consolidated revenue, ie taxes, so cyslists and all other earners (via income tax) and consumers (via GST) fund roads.

  4. roshea said:

    I'll go easy and only pick you up on the errors in this one sentence.

    1) Roads were not "origenaly [sic] made for cars" - roads existed well before cars were around. Bikes used them, as did horses.
    2) You do not pay registration to use the roads. You pay registration to register your vehicle and you pay the TAC levy to pay for injuries caused by road accidents (mostly by cars). Road funding comes from consolidated revenue, ie taxes, so cyslists and all other earners (via income tax) and consumers (via GST) fund roads.

    why has this turned into a bash the motorist thread? i never criticized you guys

  5. You say that:

    just me said:

    remember the road was origenaly made for cars and we do pay registration to use it


    But then refute this when challenged by arguing that:

    just me said:

    my issue has never been about road wear when it comes to rego, its the insurance.


    Registration and insurance are two separate things.

    Registration is effectively a road users tax to pay for maintenance of the roads. The point has already been made that many (and probably most adult) cyclists pay for rego on other vehicles that they own, and that bicycles cause bugger all damage to roads.

    Insurance (particularly of the compulsory third party type) is a requirement because if a motor vehicle accident were to occur between a car and another vehicle/person/fixed structure, the damage is likely to be pretty high in terms of costs.

    Since the road user at fault is legally obliged to bear responsibility for any damage, insurance policies are enforced so that ANY vehicle that is at fault (irrespective of the driver) in an MVA is covered for any damages to third parties. One way of thinking of it is "sharing the burden of risk management", if you will.

    Bicycle users are no different. If a bicycle user is at fault in an accident, then they must bear the cost of damages to the third party. There is no compulsory system of insurance in place, however, I suspect because it would be likely that administering a similar system for bicycle users would be prohibitively expensive.

    I suspect it would be more costly than the cost of any damage that may be incurred, given the likelihood of less costly damage occuring in the event of a bicycle accident, and the likely number of bicycle accidents.

    FWIW, some cyclists out there are members of their respective state peak organisations (e.g. BNSW), which provide a third party insurance policy as part of their membership fees.

    I'm not aware of what proportion of road using cyclists are members, but I expect a higher number would be better!

    n

  6. just me said:

    why has this turned into a bash the motorist thread? i never criticized you guys


    Roshea didn't do any "bashing" - the points made were fair.

    n

  7. nerdag said:

    You say that:

    But then refute this when challenged by arguing that:

    Registration and insurance are two separate things.

    Registration is effectively a road users tax to pay for maintenance of the roads. The point has already been made that many (and probably most adult) cyclists pay for rego on other vehicles that they own, and that bicycles cause bugger all damage to roads.

    i know thatm but my bike only weighs 110kilos plus 82kilos of my ass on it, that wear on the road is going to be very minimal, now just because i pay my rego on my car doesnt mean i have to pay rego on my bike. you might be another 80 kilos lighter but we are talking ashphelt, neitha bike, roadbike or push bike is going to damage it

    Quoted post said:


    Insurance (particularly of the compulsory third party type) is a requirement because if a motor vehicle accident were to occur between a car and another vehicle/person/fixed structure, the damage is likely to be pretty high in terms of costs.

    Since the road user at fault is legally obliged to bear responsibility for any damage, insurance policies are enforced so that ANY vehicle that is at fault (irrespective of the driver) in an MVA is covered for any damages to third parties. One way of thinking of it is "sharing the burden of risk management", if you will.


    i know the difference, but the insurance im talking about is the TAC insurance, so if the cyclist is at fault and needs medical, whos tac insurance pays for it? mine shouldnt have to just because they werent covered

    Quoted post said:

    Bicycle users are no different. If a bicycle user is at fault in an accident, then they must bear the cost of damages to the third party. There is no compulsory system of insurance in place, however, I suspect because it would be likely that administering a similar system for bicycle users would be prohibitively expensive.

    I suspect it would be more costly than the cost of any damage that may be incurred, given the likelihood of less costly damage occuring in the event of a bicycle accident, and the likely number of bicycle accidents.

    FWIW, some cyclists out there are members of their respective state peak organisations (e.g. BNSW), which provide a third party insurance policy as part of their membership fees.

    I'm not aware of what proportion of road using cyclists are members, but I expect a higher number would be better!

    n

    i know that, but the fact is that they dont, they usually [censored] through the traffic in any manner they can to avoid paying

  8. just me said:

    why has this turned into a bash the motorist thread? i never criticized you guys

    I wasn't bashing you mate, just correcting some errors.

    If you want to come and post your opinions, you may as well get your facts straight. Remember though, this is a cycling forum (the name is at the top of the page if that helps you at all) and we've heard all these arguments from drivers before.

  9. just me said:

    i know that, but the fact is that they dont, they usually [censored] through the traffic in any manner they can to avoid paying

    Unlike Commodore drivers? LOL

  10. roshea said:

    Unlike Commodore drivers? LOL

    well if i hit someones car, i cant just exactly lane split a commodore between other cars and nick off without someone seeing my plates, so thats not really true.

    anyway, i think that this thread should be entitled "watch out for the motorist" why is it just commodore drivers, ive seen plenty of other vehicles have issues with bikes.

    we dont start threads about watching out for the chineese driver

  11. just me said:

    whos tac insurance pays for it? mine shouldnt have to just because they werent covered


    If you're involved in an accident with ANY vehicle (motor, cyclist or otherwise), its YOUR TAC/CTP insurance policy that pays up.

    That's the idea behind making it COMPULSORY - it goes with EVERY motor vehicle so that if there is an accident, injured parties CAN get medical treatment paid for.

    EVERYBODY pays it, so that EVERYBODY is covered for medical expenses in the event of an accident.

    n

  12. just me said:

    well if i hit someones car, i cant just exactly lane split a commodore between other cars and nick off without someone seeing my plates, so thats not really true.


    And if you are a cylist at fault in a collision with a motor vehicle, the chances of you being able to nick off without a scratch on a bicycle that is undamaged probably isn't very high either.

    n

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