Losing Weight Properly

first off the biggest problem I see here is you are talking in terms of a difference in your eating
to lose and after you lose, you need to find a way of eating that you can live with from now on. I
like WW because it teaches the things that you are asking within a flexible format that allows for
all preference, and dietary restrictions that one may have due to health, conviction or religious
belief. I can't give you specifics, all I can tell you is that I weigh 78 pounds less than I did a
year ago, all of that but
14.5 was done with WW and I can't say I have been deprived at all, in fact there is a batch of
brownies cooling on the stove as I write this, Lee John <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I am very confused on the entire weight loss scheme -- nearly everyone I talk to tells me
something different. Some say the old food pyramid is proven a failure, others say the newer
mediterranean diet is the way to

go,

Quoted message said:

others say no carbs, still others say very low calorie diets, etc.

The main thing that gets me is this: I am 295 pounds, 6'2", and 45 years old. I am told by some
that I should

be

Quoted message said:

eating around 3200 - 3500 calories per day just to maintain my weight with little or no exercise.
I have software where I log my meals, and I

average

Quoted message said:

around 2000 calories per day and unless I exercise vigorously (like volleyball, tennis, etc.), I
cannot lose weight ... in fact, I'll slowly gain at those calorie counts. What would happen if I
added another 1000 calories per day? I'm afraid I'd blow up like a balloon. I did begin

back

Quoted message said:

in June of 2002 weighing 329. I've lose 34 pounds in that year and a half now, but have been
bouncing between 289 and 300 for the past month ... not able to take any more off. I've tried
getting down to around 1200

calories

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per day, but I'm afraid I'm losing lean muscle mass along with the fat

when

Quoted message said:

I do that, and I've been told I'll train my body to only use 1200 calories per day so I'll never
be able to go back to normal eating once I get down

to

Quoted message said:

where I want.

So, what is the key to nutritionally get the proper content for your body, yet lose a couple
pounds a week (or even more if possible) so I can get to that 175 range I'd like to be? Should I
be working out with weights at

the

Quoted message said:

same time I'm attempting to lose weight, or does that fight somehow

against

Quoted message said:

the weight loss as that requires me to eat more protein and fats to

attempt

Quoted message said:

to build the muscle I need to increase my metabolism (a sort of catch-22)?

I hope someone here has some really good advice that can help me get to where I need to be with
my weight.

Thank you.

I don't know what might be going on with you. I am a 55 year old (very active) female, 5'8", 159
pounds this morning. I eat around 1800 calories a day and maintain on that. In fact I have lost
about 3 pounds in the last 3 months while trying to learn to maintain. I do lift weights and have
done for the past few years. Are you sure about your intake? If you are not doing it, try for a few
days weighing and measuring everything. Are you sure about your software? This is a very complex
issue (I am sure you are aware from your post). I have lost a total of 206 pounds from my highest
weight. Don't let anyone anywhere tell you that you can't take this weight off. You just need to
find "YOUR" program.

"John" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I am very confused on the entire weight loss scheme -- nearly everyone I talk to tells me
something different. Some say the old food pyramid is proven a failure, others say the newer
mediterranean diet is the way to

go,

Quoted message said:

others say no carbs, still others say very low calorie diets, etc.

The main thing that gets me is this: I am 295 pounds, 6'2", and 45 years old. I am told by some
that I should

be

Quoted message said:

eating around 3200 - 3500 calories per day just to maintain my weight with little or no exercise.
I have software where I log my meals, and I

average

Quoted message said:

around 2000 calories per day and unless I exercise vigorously (like volleyball, tennis, etc.), I
cannot lose weight ... in fact, I'll slowly gain at those calorie counts. What would happen if I
added another 1000 calories per day? I'm afraid I'd blow up like a balloon. I did begin

back

Quoted message said:

in June of 2002 weighing 329. I've lose 34 pounds in that year and a half now, but have been
bouncing between 289 and 300 for the past month ... not able to take any more off. I've tried
getting down to around 1200

calories

Quoted message said:

per day, but I'm afraid I'm losing lean muscle mass along with the fat

when

Quoted message said:

I do that, and I've been told I'll train my body to only use 1200 calories per day so I'll never
be able to go back to normal eating once I get down

to

Quoted message said:

where I want.

So, what is the key to nutritionally get the proper content for your body, yet lose a couple
pounds a week (or even more if possible) so I can get to that 175 range I'd like to be? Should I
be working out with weights at

the

Quoted message said:

same time I'm attempting to lose weight, or does that fight somehow

against

Quoted message said:

the weight loss as that requires me to eat more protein and fats to

attempt

Quoted message said:

to build the muscle I need to increase my metabolism (a sort of catch-22)?

I hope someone here has some really good advice that can help me get to where I need to be with
my weight.

Thank you.

I don't know about your calorie question. As far as the different advice goes on low
carb/mediterranean/low calorie I agree w/ a previous post in that you have to find something healthy
that you will be able to continue the rest of your life. However, I think the extreme of anything is
harmful, such as cutting out all carbs. Lifting weights is very good for losing weight, although you
may not see the number on the scale right away. It increases your muscle mass, which help you burn
more calories- this losing fat. Just don't get discouraged b/c muscle does weigh more than fat and
at first you may see a increase on the scale. I hope this helps.

Amber
214/208/165

John said:

I am very confused on the entire weight loss scheme -- nearly everyone I talk to tells me
something different. Some say the old food pyramid is proven a failure, others say the newer
mediterranean diet is the way to go, others say no carbs, still others say very low calorie
diets, etc.

The main thing that gets me is this: I am 295 pounds, 6'2", and 45 years old. I am told by some
that I should be eating around 3200 - 3500 calories per day just to maintain my weight with little
or no exercise. I have software where I log my meals, and I average around 2000 calories per day
and unless I exercise vigorously (like volleyball, tennis, etc.), I cannot lose weight ... in
fact, I'll slowly gain at those calorie counts. What would happen if I added another 1000 calories
per day? I'm afraid I'd blow up like a balloon. I did begin back in June of 2002 weighing 329.
I've lose 34 pounds in that year and a half now, but have been bouncing between 289 and 300 for
the past month ... not able to take any more off. I've tried getting down to around 1200 calories
per day, but I'm afraid I'm losing lean muscle mass along with the fat when I do that, and I've
been told I'll train my body to only use 1200 calories per day so I'll never be able to go back to
normal eating once I get down to where I want.

So, what is the key to nutritionally get the proper content for your body, yet lose a couple
pounds a week (or even more if possible) so I can get to that 175 range I'd like to be? Should I
be working out with weights at the same time I'm attempting to lose weight, or does that fight
somehow against the weight loss as that requires me to eat more protein and fats to attempt to
build the muscle I need to increase my metabolism (a sort of catch-22)?

I hope someone here has some really good advice that can help me get to where I need to be with
my weight.

Thank you.

Hi John, welcome aboard. Have you every tried Weigh Watchers? It does work. Elaine K
331.4/215.6/179

John said:

I am very confused on the entire weight loss scheme -- nearly everyone I talk to tells me
something different. Some say the old food pyramid is proven a failure, others say the newer
mediterranean diet is the way to go, others say no carbs, still others say very low calorie
diets, etc.

The main thing that gets me is this: I am 295 pounds, 6'2", and 45 years old. I am told by some
that I should be eating around 3200 - 3500 calories per day just to maintain my weight with little
or no exercise. I have software where I log my meals, and I average around 2000 calories per day
and unless I exercise vigorously (like volleyball, tennis, etc.), I cannot lose weight ... in
fact, I'll slowly gain at those calorie counts. What would happen if I added another 1000 calories
per day? I'm afraid I'd blow up like a balloon. I did begin back in June of 2002 weighing 329.
I've lose 34 pounds in that year and a half now, but have been bouncing between 289 and 300 for
the past month ... not able to take any more off. I've tried getting down to around 1200 calories
per day, but I'm afraid I'm losing lean muscle mass along with the fat when I do that, and I've
been told I'll train my body to only use 1200 calories per day so I'll never be able to go back to
normal eating once I get down to where I want.

So, what is the key to nutritionally get the proper content for your body, yet lose a couple
pounds a week (or even more if possible) so I can get to that 175 range I'd like to be? Should I
be working out with weights at the same time I'm attempting to lose weight, or does that fight
somehow against the weight loss as that requires me to eat more protein and fats to attempt to
build the muscle I need to increase my metabolism (a sort of catch-22)?

I hope someone here has some really good advice that can help me get to where I need to be with
my weight.

Thank you.

In article <[email hidden]>,

John said:

I am very confused on the entire weight loss scheme -- nearly everyone I talk to tells me
something different. Some say the old food pyramid is proven a failure, others say the newer
mediterranean diet is the way to go, others say no carbs, still others say very low calorie
diets, etc.

The main thing that gets me is this: I am 295 pounds, 6'2", and 45 years old. I am told by some
that I should be eating around 3200 - 3500 calories per day just to maintain my weight with little
or no exercise. I have software where I log my meals, and I average around 2000 calories per day
and unless I exercise vigorously (like volleyball, tennis, etc.), I cannot lose weight ... in
fact, I'll slowly gain at those calorie counts. What would happen if I added another 1000 calories
per day? I'm afraid I'd blow up like a balloon. I did begin back in June of 2002 weighing 329.
I've lose 34 pounds in that year and a half now, but have been bouncing between 289 and 300 for
the past month ... not able to take any more off. I've tried getting down to around 1200 calories
per day, but I'm afraid I'm losing lean muscle mass along with the fat when I do that, and I've
been told I'll train my body to only use 1200 calories per day so I'll never be able to go back to
normal eating once I get down to where I want.

So, what is the key to nutritionally get the proper content for your body, yet lose a couple
pounds a week (or even more if possible) so I can get to that 175 range I'd like to be? Should I
be working out with weights at the same time I'm attempting to lose weight, or does that fight
somehow against the weight loss as that requires me to eat more protein and fats to attempt to
build the muscle I need to increase my metabolism (a sort of catch-22)?

I hope someone here has some really good advice that can help me get to where I need to be with
my weight.

Thank you.

John, I am SO with you, my situation EXACTLY. A recent change to a new diet is low carb, which I've
been doing for a month, lost initial 5 lbs in the first week, that's been it. I have not had a slice
of bread in all that time. Nor do I miss it. I am significantly overweight, and in perimenopause,
but have had weight issues all my life. Genetic predisposition, but cannot, will not give up, it
doesn't even make sense, that with the sensible way I eat (food types and in moderation), that my
body won't loose. I've been checked, no medical issues causing this. I'm considering switching over
to Weight Watchers which I have not tried, hoping that for whatever reason with my particular
metabolism, it might respond better to WW. I do not over eat, not a compulsive eater or binger. No
diet is particularly difficult for me to stay on. My body just wants to be fat. One day I'll accept
this and move on.

--
"Be kind, because everyone you meet is fighting a desperate battle." Philo of Alexandria. Do not
email if posting a response. TO EMAIL, REPLACE X WITH 4

"Robin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article said:

I am very confused on the entire weight loss scheme -- nearly everyone I talk to tells me
something different. Some say the old food pyramid is proven a failure, others say the newer
mediterranean diet is the way to

go,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

others say no carbs, still others say very low calorie diets, etc.

The main thing that gets me is this: I am 295 pounds, 6'2", and 45 years old. I am told by some
that I

should be

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

eating around 3200 - 3500 calories per day just to maintain my weight

with

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

little or no exercise. I have software where I log my meals, and I

average

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

around 2000 calories per day and unless I exercise vigorously (like volleyball, tennis, etc.), I
cannot lose weight ... in fact, I'll slowly gain at those calorie counts. What would happen if I
added another 1000 calories per day? I'm afraid I'd blow up like a balloon. I did begin

back

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

in June of 2002 weighing 329. I've lose 34 pounds in that year and a

half

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

now, but have been bouncing between 289 and 300 for the past month ...

not

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

able to take any more off. I've tried getting down to around 1200

calories

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

per day, but I'm afraid I'm losing lean muscle mass along with the fat

when

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I do that, and I've been told I'll train my body to only use 1200

calories

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

per day so I'll never be able to go back to normal eating once I get

down to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

where I want.

So, what is the key to nutritionally get the proper content for your

body,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

yet lose a couple pounds a week (or even more if possible) so I can get

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that 175 range I'd like to be? Should I be working out with weights at

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

same time I'm attempting to lose weight, or does that fight somehow

against

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the weight loss as that requires me to eat more protein and fats to

attempt

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to build the muscle I need to increase my metabolism (a sort of

catch-22)?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I hope someone here has some really good advice that can help me get to where I need to be with
my weight.

Thank you.

John, I am SO with you, my situation EXACTLY. A recent change to a new diet is low carb, which
I've been doing for a month, lost initial 5 lbs in the first week, that's been it. I have not had
a slice of bread in all that time. Nor do I miss it. I am significantly overweight, and in
perimenopause, but have had weight issues all my life. Genetic predisposition, but cannot, will
not give up, it doesn't even make sense, that with the sensible way I eat (food types and in
moderation), that my body won't loose. I've been checked, no medical issues causing this. I'm
considering switching over to Weight Watchers which I have not tried, hoping that for whatever
reason with my particular metabolism, it might respond better to WW. I do not over eat, not a
compulsive eater or binger. No diet is particularly difficult for me to stay on. My body just
wants to be fat. One day I'll accept this and move on.

Have you ever thought that maybe you are not eating enough food to lose weight? I know that it
sounds strange but it is true. It was not untill I started WW that I was able to lose weight. Atkins
worked for me for a couple of months but I could not maintain the way of eating for very long. Way
too restrictive. Too many hidden carbs in everyday things. WW on the other hand forces you to eat
the right amount of food for your weight. You gradually lower the amount of food as you lose weight.
It teaches you the right amount of food to eat to then maintain that weight when you get to goal. It
is a way of life not a diet. That is a key difference between WW and the other diets out there. They
all work in the short term but don't teach you how to eat properly. WW does. It is also easy to
follow which makes it nice too. Good luck.

I've never tried weight - watchers .. from what I've read, it's one of those diets that works, but
people seem to gain back the weight once they've went off that program. I'd love to be able to eat
"normal" meals instead of buying pre-packaged meals. My concern is to know what I should be eating
in terms of calories, to lose fat, but not to lose lean muscle mass -- no one can seem to tell me
this. I realize that lean muscle mass helps raise one's metabolism, thus I don't want to lose any
more of this than I need to. Perhaps, I'm thinking wrong and should just forget about losing muscle
and get my weight where I want it, and THEN go back and start to build muscle?

"Elaine Kirkham" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Hi John, welcome aboard. Have you every tried Weigh Watchers? It does

work.

Quoted message said:

Elaine K
331.4/215.6/179

John said:

I am very confused on the entire weight loss scheme -- nearly everyone I talk to tells me
something different. Some say the old food pyramid is proven a failure, others say the newer
mediterranean diet is the way to

go,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

others say no carbs, still others say very low calorie diets, etc.

The main thing that gets me is this: I am 295 pounds, 6'2", and 45 years old. I am told by some
that I

should be

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

eating around 3200 - 3500 calories per day just to maintain my weight

with

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

little or no exercise. I have software where I log my meals, and I

average

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

around 2000 calories per day and unless I exercise vigorously (like volleyball, tennis, etc.), I
cannot lose weight ... in fact, I'll slowly gain at those calorie counts. What would happen if I
added another 1000 calories per day? I'm afraid I'd blow up like a balloon. I did begin

back

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

in June of 2002 weighing 329. I've lose 34 pounds in that year and a

half

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

now, but have been bouncing between 289 and 300 for the past month ...

not

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

able to take any more off. I've tried getting down to around 1200

calories

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

per day, but I'm afraid I'm losing lean muscle mass along with the fat

when

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I do that, and I've been told I'll train my body to only use 1200

calories

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

per day so I'll never be able to go back to normal eating once I get

down to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

where I want.

So, what is the key to nutritionally get the proper content for your

body,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

yet lose a couple pounds a week (or even more if possible) so I can get

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that 175 range I'd like to be? Should I be working out with weights at

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

same time I'm attempting to lose weight, or does that fight somehow

against

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the weight loss as that requires me to eat more protein and fats to

attempt

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to build the muscle I need to increase my metabolism (a sort of

catch-22)?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I hope someone here has some really good advice that can help me get to where I need to be with
my weight.

Thank you.

One of the responses said I shouldn't plan to go back to "normal eating". What I meant by "normal"
was what a standard, 6'2" 45 year old man should eat per day ... not what was "normal" for me the
past 20 years. I dont' know the exact figures, but I would imagine a "normal" 6'2" 45 year old, 175
pound man shoudl eat around 2200 calories per day with a light activity lifestyle.

"Robin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:robinxjoy-
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Quoted message said:

In article said:

I am very confused on the entire weight loss scheme -- nearly everyone I talk to tells me
something different. Some say the old food pyramid is proven a failure, others say the newer
mediterranean diet is the way to

go,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

others say no carbs, still others say very low calorie diets, etc.

The main thing that gets me is this: I am 295 pounds, 6'2", and 45 years old. I am told by some
that I

should be

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

eating around 3200 - 3500 calories per day just to maintain my weight

with

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

little or no exercise. I have software where I log my meals, and I

average

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

around 2000 calories per day and unless I exercise vigorously (like volleyball, tennis, etc.), I
cannot lose weight ... in fact, I'll slowly gain at those calorie counts. What would happen if I
added another 1000 calories per day? I'm afraid I'd blow up like a balloon. I did begin

back

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

in June of 2002 weighing 329. I've lose 34 pounds in that year and a

half

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

now, but have been bouncing between 289 and 300 for the past month ...

not

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

able to take any more off. I've tried getting down to around 1200

calories

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

per day, but I'm afraid I'm losing lean muscle mass along with the fat

when

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I do that, and I've been told I'll train my body to only use 1200

calories

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

per day so I'll never be able to go back to normal eating once I get

down to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

where I want.

So, what is the key to nutritionally get the proper content for your

body,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

yet lose a couple pounds a week (or even more if possible) so I can get

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that 175 range I'd like to be? Should I be working out with weights at

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

same time I'm attempting to lose weight, or does that fight somehow

against

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the weight loss as that requires me to eat more protein and fats to

attempt

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to build the muscle I need to increase my metabolism (a sort of

catch-22)?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I hope someone here has some really good advice that can help me get to where I need to be with
my weight.

Thank you.

John, I am SO with you, my situation EXACTLY. A recent change to a new diet is low carb, which
I've been doing for a month, lost initial 5 lbs in the first week, that's been it. I have not had
a slice of bread in all that time. Nor do I miss it. I am significantly overweight, and in
perimenopause, but have had weight issues all my life. Genetic predisposition, but cannot, will
not give up, it doesn't even make sense, that with the sensible way I eat (food types and in
moderation), that my body won't loose. I've been checked, no medical issues causing this. I'm
considering switching over to Weight Watchers which I have not tried, hoping that for whatever
reason with my particular metabolism, it might respond better to WW. I do not over eat, not a
compulsive eater or binger. No diet is particularly difficult for me to stay on. My body just
wants to be fat. One day I'll accept this and move on.

--
"Be kind, because everyone you meet is fighting a desperate battle." Philo

of Alexandria. Do not email if posting a response. TO EMAIL, REPLACE X WITH 4

Can I ask you to briefly explain what WW actually is? Perhaps what I've been led to believe it is,
is wrong? I've been led to believe that it is an expensive "meal plan" where you buy their meals and
continue buying their meals (pre-package) for life.

As to your statement of not eating enough food ... how does one arrive at the proper amount a person
should be eating?

Thanks in advance.

"Laura" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rUTvb.312739$0v4.18360923@bgtnsc04-
news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

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"Robin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:robinxjoy-
[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article said:

I am very confused on the entire weight loss scheme -- nearly everyone

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

talk to tells me something different. Some say the old food pyramid

is

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

proven a failure, others say the newer mediterranean diet is the way

to

Quoted message said:

go,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

others say no carbs, still others say very low calorie diets, etc.

The main thing that gets me is this: I am 295 pounds, 6'2", and 45 years old. I am told by
some that I

should be

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

eating around 3200 - 3500 calories per day just to maintain my weight

with

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

little or no exercise. I have software where I log my meals, and I

average

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

around 2000 calories per day and unless I exercise vigorously (like volleyball, tennis, etc.),
I cannot lose weight ... in fact, I'll

slowly

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

gain at those calorie counts. What would happen if I added another

1000

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

calories per day? I'm afraid I'd blow up like a balloon. I did begin

back

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

in June of 2002 weighing 329. I've lose 34 pounds in that year and a

half

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

now, but have been bouncing between 289 and 300 for the past month ...

not

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

able to take any more off. I've tried getting down to around 1200

calories

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

per day, but I'm afraid I'm losing lean muscle mass along with the fat

when

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I do that, and I've been told I'll train my body to only use 1200

calories

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

per day so I'll never be able to go back to normal eating once I get

down to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

where I want.

So, what is the key to nutritionally get the proper content for your

body,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

yet lose a couple pounds a week (or even more if possible) so I can

get

Quoted message said:

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that 175 range I'd like to be? Should I be working out with weights

at

Quoted message said:

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

same time I'm attempting to lose weight, or does that fight somehow

against

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the weight loss as that requires me to eat more protein and fats to

attempt

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to build the muscle I need to increase my metabolism (a sort of

catch-22)?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I hope someone here has some really good advice that can help me get

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

where I need to be with my weight.

Thank you.

John, I am SO with you, my situation EXACTLY. A recent change to a new diet is low carb, which
I've been doing for a month, lost initial 5 lbs in the first week, that's been it. I have not
had a slice of bread in all that time. Nor do I miss it. I am significantly overweight, and in
perimenopause, but have had weight issues all my life. Genetic predisposition, but cannot, will
not give up, it doesn't even make sense, that with the sensible way I eat (food types and in
moderation), that my body won't loose. I've been checked, no medical issues causing this. I'm
considering switching over to Weight Watchers which I have not tried, hoping that for whatever
reason with my particular metabolism, it might respond better to WW. I do not over eat, not a
compulsive eater or binger. No diet is particularly difficult for me to stay on. My body just
wants to be fat. One day I'll accept this and move on.

Have you ever thought that maybe you are not eating enough food to lose weight? I know that it
sounds strange but it is true. It was not untill I started WW that I was able to lose weight.
Atkins worked for me for a

couple

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of months but I could not maintain the way of eating for very long. Way

too

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restrictive. Too many hidden carbs in everyday things. WW on the other

hand

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forces you to eat the right amount of food for your weight. You gradually lower the amount of food
as you lose weight. It teaches you the right

amount

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of food to eat to then maintain that weight when you get to goal. It is a way of life not a diet.
That is a key difference between WW and the other diets out there. They all work in the short term
but don't teach you how

to

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eat properly. WW does. It is also easy to follow which makes it nice too. Good luck.

Well I don't think that you'd be losing muscle unless you went way under what the WW program
recommended. If you are careful to include your activity points, and eat lots of veggies you
shouldn't have a problem. Also eat enough protien and healthy fat b/c you want to gain muscles mass
to speed weight loss. I think in general your body tends to use up stored fat before muscle unless
you starve yourself. I know since I started WW just 3 weeks ago I feel a lot leaner even though I've
only lost 6 pounds. That tells me that my body fat is decreasing and/or my muscle mass is increasing
from working out. With any weight loss program if you go off the program and back to your old eating
habits- or even somewhere between the two, you will gain the weight back there is no way around
that. I don't see how being on WW for a lifetime would be hard. I love the way that it teaches me
how much I should eat, and allows me to "cheat." It is normal for your body to pleatu w/ weight loss
for a while, you might just want to give it some time.

Amber
214/208/165

John Hrusovszky said:

I've never tried weight - watchers .. from what I've read, it's one of those diets that works, but
people seem to gain back the weight once they've went off that program. I'd love to be able to eat
"normal" meals instead of buying pre-packaged meals. My concern is to know what I should be eating
in terms of calories, to lose fat, but not to lose lean muscle mass -- no one can seem to tell me
this. I realize that lean muscle mass helps raise one's metabolism, thus I don't want to lose any
more of this than I need to. Perhaps, I'm thinking wrong and should just forget about losing
muscle and get my weight where I want it, and THEN go back and start to build muscle?

"Elaine Kirkham" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Hi John, welcome aboard. Have you every tried Weigh Watchers? It does

work.

Quoted message said:

Elaine K
331.4/215.6/179

John said:

I am very confused on the entire weight loss scheme -- nearly everyone I talk to tells me
something different. Some say the old food pyramid is proven a failure, others say the newer
mediterranean diet is the way to

go,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

others say no carbs, still others say very low calorie diets, etc.

The main thing that gets me is this: I am 295 pounds, 6'2", and 45 years old. I am told by
some that I

should be

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

eating around 3200 - 3500 calories per day just to maintain my weight

with

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

little or no exercise. I have software where I log my meals, and I

average

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

around 2000 calories per day and unless I exercise vigorously (like volleyball, tennis, etc.), I
cannot lose weight ... in fact, I'll slowly gain at those calorie counts. What would happen if I
added another 1000 calories per day? I'm afraid I'd blow up like a balloon. I did begin

back

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

in June of 2002 weighing 329. I've lose 34 pounds in that year and a

half

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

now, but have been bouncing between 289 and 300 for the past month ...

not

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

able to take any more off. I've tried getting down to around 1200

calories

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

per day, but I'm afraid I'm losing lean muscle mass along with the fat

when

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I do that, and I've been told I'll train my body to only use 1200

calories

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

per day so I'll never be able to go back to normal eating once I get

down to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

where I want.

So, what is the key to nutritionally get the proper content for your

body,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

yet lose a couple pounds a week (or even more if possible) so I can get

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that 175 range I'd like to be? Should I be working out with weights at

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

same time I'm attempting to lose weight, or does that fight somehow

against

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the weight loss as that requires me to eat more protein and fats to

attempt

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to build the muscle I need to increase my metabolism (a sort of

catch-22)?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I hope someone here has some really good advice that can help me get to where I need to be with
my weight.

Thank you.

Definitely continue to excercise. WW's recommends this also. The one thing that is great about WW's
is that it teaches you to each normal meals but with portion control. One of the others on this
group will have to help you about how much exercise & what kind to do, as I have to force myself to
do any at all other than walking & dancing. I can't help you on the calories either as I simply
follow the WW point system & don't have to worry about calories at all. Wish you luck. Elaine K
331.4/215.6/179

John Hrusovszky said:

I've never tried weight - watchers .. from what I've read, it's one of those diets that works, but
people seem to gain back the weight once they've went off that program. I'd love to be able to eat
"normal" meals instead of buying pre-packaged meals. My concern is to know what I should be eating
in terms of calories, to lose fat, but not to lose lean muscle mass -- no one can seem to tell me
this. I realize that lean muscle mass helps raise one's metabolism, thus I don't want to lose any
more of this than I need to. Perhaps, I'm thinking wrong and should just forget about losing
muscle and get my weight where I want it, and THEN go back and start to build muscle?

"Elaine Kirkham" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Hi John, welcome aboard. Have you every tried Weigh Watchers? It does

work.

Quoted message said:

Elaine K
331.4/215.6/179

John said:

I am very confused on the entire weight loss scheme -- nearly everyone I talk to tells me
something different. Some say the old food pyramid is proven a failure, others say the newer
mediterranean diet is the way to

go,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

others say no carbs, still others say very low calorie diets, etc.

The main thing that gets me is this: I am 295 pounds, 6'2", and 45 years old. I am told by
some that I

should be

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

eating around 3200 - 3500 calories per day just to maintain my weight

with

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

little or no exercise. I have software where I log my meals, and I

average

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

around 2000 calories per day and unless I exercise vigorously (like volleyball, tennis, etc.),
I cannot lose weight ... in fact, I'll slowly gain at those calorie counts. What would happen
if I added another 1000 calories per day? I'm afraid I'd blow up like a balloon. I did begin

back

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

in June of 2002 weighing 329. I've lose 34 pounds in that year and a

half

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

now, but have been bouncing between 289 and 300 for the past month ...

not

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

able to take any more off. I've tried getting down to around 1200

calories

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

per day, but I'm afraid I'm losing lean muscle mass along with the fat

when

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I do that, and I've been told I'll train my body to only use 1200

calories

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

per day so I'll never be able to go back to normal eating once I get

down to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

where I want.

So, what is the key to nutritionally get the proper content for your

body,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

yet lose a couple pounds a week (or even more if possible) so I can get

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that 175 range I'd like to be? Should I be working out with weights at

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

same time I'm attempting to lose weight, or does that fight somehow

against

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the weight loss as that requires me to eat more protein and fats to

attempt

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to build the muscle I need to increase my metabolism (a sort of

catch-22)?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I hope someone here has some really good advice that can help me get to where I need to be
with my weight.

Thank you.

Just to emphasize, in WW, you eat NORMAL foods that you buy at the fruit stand, the meat market and
the shelves of grocery stores. While WW does have labeled food items that are available, they do not
push that stuff.

They teach you how much to eat and how to control some of the bad behaviors and how to reinforce
positive behaviors.

John Hrusovszky said:

One of the responses said I shouldn't plan to go back to "normal eating". What I meant by "normal"
was what a standard, 6'2" 45 year old man should eat per day ... not what was "normal" for me the
past 20 years. I dont' know the exact figures, but I would imagine a "normal" 6'2" 45 year old, 175
pound man shoudl eat around 2200 calories per day with a light activity lifestyle.

"Robin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:robinxjoy-
[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article said:

I am very confused on the entire weight loss scheme -- nearly everyone I talk to tells me
something different. Some say the old food pyramid is proven a failure, others say the newer
mediterranean diet is the way to

go,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

others say no carbs, still others say very low calorie diets, etc.

The main thing that gets me is this: I am 295 pounds, 6'2", and 45 years old. I am told by some
that I

should be

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

eating around 3200 - 3500 calories per day just to maintain my weight

with

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

little or no exercise. I have software where I log my meals, and I

average

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

around 2000 calories per day and unless I exercise vigorously (like volleyball, tennis, etc.),
I cannot lose weight ... in fact, I'll slowly gain at those calorie counts. What would happen
if I added another 1000 calories per day? I'm afraid I'd blow up like a balloon. I did begin

back

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

in June of 2002 weighing 329. I've lose 34 pounds in that year and a

half

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

now, but have been bouncing between 289 and 300 for the past month ...

not

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

able to take any more off. I've tried getting down to around 1200

calories

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

per day, but I'm afraid I'm losing lean muscle mass along with the fat

when

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I do that, and I've been told I'll train my body to only use 1200

calories

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

per day so I'll never be able to go back to normal eating once I get

down to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

where I want.

So, what is the key to nutritionally get the proper content for your

body,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

yet lose a couple pounds a week (or even more if possible) so I can get

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that 175 range I'd like to be? Should I be working out with weights at

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

same time I'm attempting to lose weight, or does that fight somehow

against

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the weight loss as that requires me to eat more protein and fats to

attempt

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to build the muscle I need to increase my metabolism (a sort of

catch-22)?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I hope someone here has some really good advice that can help me get to where I need to be with
my weight.

Thank you.

John, I am SO with you, my situation EXACTLY. A recent change to a new diet is low carb, which
I've been doing for a month, lost initial 5 lbs in the first week, that's been it. I have not had
a slice of bread in all that time. Nor do I miss it. I am significantly overweight, and in
perimenopause, but have had weight issues all my life. Genetic predisposition, but cannot, will
not give up, it doesn't even make sense, that with the sensible way I eat (food types and in
moderation), that my body won't loose. I've been checked, no medical issues causing this. I'm
considering switching over to Weight Watchers which I have not tried, hoping that for whatever
reason with my particular metabolism, it might respond better to WW. I do not over eat, not a
compulsive eater or binger. No diet is particularly difficult for me to stay on. My body just
wants to be fat. One day I'll accept this and move on.

--
"Be kind, because everyone you meet is fighting a desperate battle." Philo

of Alexandria. Do not email if posting a response. TO EMAIL, REPLACE X WITH 4

John Hrusovszky said:

I've never tried weight - watchers .. from what I've read, it's one of those diets that works, but
people seem to gain back the weight once they've went off that program. I'd love to be able to eat
"normal" meals instead of buying pre-packaged meals. My concern is to know what I should be eating
in terms of calories, to lose fat, but not to lose lean muscle mass -- no one can seem to tell me
this. I realize that lean muscle mass helps raise one's metabolism, thus I don't want to lose any
more of this than I need to. Perhaps, I'm thinking wrong and should just forget about losing
muscle and get my weight where I want it, and THEN go back and start to build muscle?

You can eat what you like on WW! It's all about portion control and eating sensibly. If you stop
doing this, on ANY 'diet' you will gain back the weight you lost. HOWEVER, if you keep control of
portion sizes, eat sensibly (and not too much!) you will maintain your new lower weight.

I am losing weight nicely (if slowly!), and eating normal meals. I use lower fat versions of things,
make sure I don't eat too much, and cook the same thing for all of us here: it's working. I also use
quite a few of the WW cookbooks, which allow me to be lazy about working out portion sizes and
points values - that'd done for you! It's lower calorie versions of things, and all the recipes I
used so far have been excellent. I made an excellent chicken curry for dinner last night, for
example, and there's home made pizza on the menu for tomorrow and sausages and chips later in the
week! Real food all the way! Lo-fat oven chips and lo-fat sausages for me! In fact, both my son and
my DH like the low fat sausages nearly as much as some of the 'normal' ones... Like Cumberland,
Toulouse and pork and apple sausages!

The thing you have to remember with all of this is that it takes self discipline: without that, you
learn nothing, and if you go back to the way you ate before (which made you fat in the first place),
you WILL get fat again.

The way to keep lean muscle going while losing weight it to exercise: it doesn't have to be high
impact stuff - a good brisk 2 mile walk every day will do fine. Start slowly and build up... The
other thing to remember is that as you get smaller, you will need less food to maintain the weight
you are at... WW decreases the amount you are 'allowed' in slow stages, allowing you to adjust as
you shrink. Your appetite will decrease over the time as well, so you won't want as much food as you
used to eat. As you get slimmer, you can increase the exercise programme.
--

Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons diceyhome.free-online.co.ukdiceyhome.free-online.co.ukOpen ↗
Click on Kate's Pages and explore!

I eat very few prepackaged meals, you need to decide what is important to
you, what you are willing to change for life and just do it, good luck, Lee
John Hrusovszky <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I've never tried weight - watchers .. from what I've read, it's one of

those

Quoted message said:

diets that works, but people seem to gain back the weight once they've

went

Quoted message said:

off that program. I'd love to be able to eat "normal" meals instead of buying pre-packaged meals.
My concern is to know what I should be eating

in

Quoted message said:

terms of calories, to lose fat, but not to lose lean muscle mass -- no one can seem to tell me
this. I realize that lean muscle mass helps raise

one's

Quoted message said:

metabolism, thus I don't want to lose any more of this than I need to. Perhaps, I'm thinking wrong
and should just forget about losing muscle and get my weight where I want it, and THEN go back and
start to build muscle?

"Elaine Kirkham" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Hi John, welcome aboard. Have you every tried Weigh Watchers? It does

work.

Quoted message said:

Elaine K
331.4/215.6/179

John said:

I am very confused on the entire weight loss scheme -- nearly everyone

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

talk to tells me something different. Some say the old food pyramid

is

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

proven a failure, others say the newer mediterranean diet is the way

to

Quoted message said:

go,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

others say no carbs, still others say very low calorie diets, etc.

The main thing that gets me is this: I am 295 pounds, 6'2", and 45 years old. I am told by
some that I

should be

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

eating around 3200 - 3500 calories per day just to maintain my weight

with

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

little or no exercise. I have software where I log my meals, and I

average

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

around 2000 calories per day and unless I exercise vigorously (like volleyball, tennis, etc.),
I cannot lose weight ... in fact, I'll

slowly

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

gain at those calorie counts. What would happen if I added another

1000

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

calories per day? I'm afraid I'd blow up like a balloon. I did begin

back

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

in June of 2002 weighing 329. I've lose 34 pounds in that year and a

half

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

now, but have been bouncing between 289 and 300 for the past month ...

not

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

able to take any more off. I've tried getting down to around 1200

calories

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

per day, but I'm afraid I'm losing lean muscle mass along with the fat

when

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I do that, and I've been told I'll train my body to only use 1200

calories

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

per day so I'll never be able to go back to normal eating once I get

down to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

where I want.

So, what is the key to nutritionally get the proper content for your

body,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

yet lose a couple pounds a week (or even more if possible) so I can

get

Quoted message said:

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that 175 range I'd like to be? Should I be working out with weights

at

Quoted message said:

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

same time I'm attempting to lose weight, or does that fight somehow

against

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the weight loss as that requires me to eat more protein and fats to

attempt

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to build the muscle I need to increase my metabolism (a sort of

catch-22)?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I hope someone here has some really good advice that can help me get

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

where I need to be with my weight.

Thank you.

if you do WW as prescribed you will learn what is right for you, there is no
real normal for everyone to follow. If you read this group you will find
that some of us cannot eat very many carbos or we gain, some must learn to
eat more protein and some of us must learn to cut out much of the sugar we
love. It is truly different for each person, good luck Lee
John Hrusovszky <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

One of the responses said I shouldn't plan to go back to "normal eating". What I meant by "normal"
was what a standard, 6'2" 45 year old man should eat per day ... not what was "normal" for me the
past 20 years. I dont' know the exact figures, but I would imagine a "normal" 6'2" 45 year old,

175

Quoted message said:

pound man shoudl eat around 2200 calories per day with a light activity lifestyle.

"Robin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:robinxjoy-
[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article said:

I am very confused on the entire weight loss scheme -- nearly everyone

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

talk to tells me something different. Some say the old food pyramid

is

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

proven a failure, others say the newer mediterranean diet is the way

to

Quoted message said:

go,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

others say no carbs, still others say very low calorie diets, etc.

The main thing that gets me is this: I am 295 pounds, 6'2", and 45 years old. I am told by
some that I

should be

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

eating around 3200 - 3500 calories per day just to maintain my weight

with

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

little or no exercise. I have software where I log my meals, and I

average

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

around 2000 calories per day and unless I exercise vigorously (like volleyball, tennis, etc.),
I cannot lose weight ... in fact, I'll

slowly

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

gain at those calorie counts. What would happen if I added another

1000

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

calories per day? I'm afraid I'd blow up like a balloon. I did begin

back

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

in June of 2002 weighing 329. I've lose 34 pounds in that year and a

half

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

now, but have been bouncing between 289 and 300 for the past month ...

not

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

able to take any more off. I've tried getting down to around 1200

calories

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

per day, but I'm afraid I'm losing lean muscle mass along with the fat

when

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I do that, and I've been told I'll train my body to only use 1200

calories

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

per day so I'll never be able to go back to normal eating once I get

down to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

where I want.

So, what is the key to nutritionally get the proper content for your

body,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

yet lose a couple pounds a week (or even more if possible) so I can

get

Quoted message said:

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that 175 range I'd like to be? Should I be working out with weights

at

Quoted message said:

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

same time I'm attempting to lose weight, or does that fight somehow

against

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the weight loss as that requires me to eat more protein and fats to

attempt

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to build the muscle I need to increase my metabolism (a sort of

catch-22)?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I hope someone here has some really good advice that can help me get

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

where I need to be with my weight.

Thank you.

John, I am SO with you, my situation EXACTLY. A recent change to a new diet is low carb, which
I've been doing for a month, lost initial 5 lbs in the first week, that's been it. I have not
had a slice of bread in all that time. Nor do I miss it. I am significantly overweight, and in
perimenopause, but have had weight issues all my life. Genetic predisposition, but cannot, will
not give up, it doesn't even make sense, that with the sensible way I eat (food types and in
moderation), that my body won't loose. I've been checked, no medical issues causing this. I'm
considering switching over to Weight Watchers which I have not tried, hoping that for whatever
reason with my particular metabolism, it might respond better to WW. I do not over eat, not a
compulsive eater or binger. No diet is particularly difficult for me to stay on. My body just
wants to be fat. One day I'll accept this and move on.

--
"Be kind, because everyone you meet is fighting a desperate battle."

Philo

Quoted message said:

of Alexandria. Do not email if posting a response. TO EMAIL, REPLACE X

WITH

Quoted message said:

4

There are no pre-packaged meals with WW, unless you want to buy their frozen dinners (available at
supermarkets). Essentially, all food is assigned a points value based on calories, fat and fiber
(I'm assuming you're in the USA - the formula varies from country to country). You are then given a
number of points to eat for the day depending on your current weight and

eat extra or hold onto to increas your weightloss.

WW works out to be a simpler way of counting calories, while encouraging a low fat, high fiber diet.
It also encourages exercise, and learning how to eat normal foods in a normal way (something a lot
of people have forgotten how to do!).

--
Julie.
93.5/73.2/74 (WW)/72 (Personal) kg
93.5/74./162.8 (WW)/158 (Personal) lb

"John Hrusovszky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Can I ask you to briefly explain what WW actually is? Perhaps what I've been led to believe it is,
is wrong? I've been led to believe that it is

an

Quoted message said:

expensive "meal plan" where you buy their meals and continue buying their meals (pre-package)
for life.

As to your statement of not eating enough food ... how does one arrive at the proper amount a
person should be eating?

Thanks in advance.

"Laura" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rUTvb.312739$0v4.18360923@bgtnsc04-
news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

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"Robin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:robinxjoy-
[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>, "John" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> I am very confused on the entire weight loss scheme -- nearly

everyone

Quoted message said:

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> talk to tells me something different. Some say the old food pyramid

is

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> proven a failure, others say the newer mediterranean diet is the way

to

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go,

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> others say no carbs, still others say very low calorie diets, etc.
>
> The main thing that gets me is this: I am 295 pounds, 6'2", and 45 years old. I am told by
> some that I

should be

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> eating around 3200 - 3500 calories per day just to maintain my

weight

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with

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> little or no exercise. I have software where I log my meals, and I

average

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> around 2000 calories per day and unless I exercise vigorously (like volleyball, tennis,
> etc.), I cannot lose weight ... in fact, I'll

slowly

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> gain at those calorie counts. What would happen if I added another

1000

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> calories per day? I'm afraid I'd blow up like a balloon. I did

begin

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back

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> in June of 2002 weighing 329. I've lose 34 pounds in that year and

a

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half

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> now, but have been bouncing between 289 and 300 for the past month

...

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not

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> able to take any more off. I've tried getting down to around 1200

calories

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> per day, but I'm afraid I'm losing lean muscle mass along with the

fat

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when

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> I do that, and I've been told I'll train my body to only use 1200

calories

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> per day so I'll never be able to go back to normal eating once I get

down to

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> where I want.
>
> So, what is the key to nutritionally get the proper content for your

body,

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> yet lose a couple pounds a week (or even more if possible) so I can

get

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to

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> that 175 range I'd like to be? Should I be working out with weights

at

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the

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> same time I'm attempting to lose weight, or does that fight somehow

against

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> the weight loss as that requires me to eat more protein and fats to

attempt

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> to build the muscle I need to increase my metabolism (a sort of

catch-22)?

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>
> I hope someone here has some really good advice that can help me get

to

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> where I need to be with my weight.
>
> Thank you.
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>

John, I am SO with you, my situation EXACTLY. A recent change to a new diet is low carb,
which I've been doing for a month, lost initial 5 lbs in the first week, that's been it. I
have not had a slice of bread in all that time. Nor do I miss it. I am significantly
overweight, and in perimenopause, but have had weight issues all my life. Genetic
predisposition, but cannot, will not give up, it doesn't even make sense, that with the
sensible way I eat (food types and in

moderation),

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that my body won't loose. I've been checked, no medical issues causing this. I'm considering
switching over to Weight Watchers which I have not tried, hoping that for whatever reason with
my particular metabolism, it might respond better to WW. I do not over eat, not a compulsive
eater or binger. No diet is particularly difficult for me

to

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stay on. My body just wants to be fat. One day I'll accept this and move on.

Have you ever thought that maybe you are not eating enough food to lose weight? I know that it
sounds strange but it is true. It was not untill

I

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started WW that I was able to lose weight. Atkins worked for me for a

couple

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of months but I could not maintain the way of eating for very long. Way

too

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restrictive. Too many hidden carbs in everyday things. WW on the other

hand

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forces you to eat the right amount of food for your weight. You

gradually

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lower the amount of food as you lose weight. It teaches you the right

amount

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of food to eat to then maintain that weight when you get to goal. It is

a

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way of life not a diet. That is a key difference between WW and the

other

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diets out there. They all work in the short term but don't teach you how

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eat properly. WW does. It is also easy to follow which makes it nice

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Good luck.

Sorry, this ISN'T brief.

The beauty of Weight Watchers is that you can eat according to the old pyramid, the new pyramid, the
South Beach diet, the low carb, high protein, high carb, low fat, diabetic, vegetarian,
mediterranean, or Ornish, or The Zone, or any other plan you might come across. Weight Watchers is
not about which foods to eat but about serving sizes, portion control, and finding what works for
you. You can choose to follow a specified meal plan, which I did when I first started while I
learned about points and to get a good sense of serving sizes. Every once in a while, when I need
new ideas or am having trouble adjusting a reduction in daily points, I'll try a meal plan or two to
get myself back on track again. But it's totally my choice to do that.

Instead of counting calories alone, Weight Watchers assigns every food a points value, taking into
account calories, fat, and fiber. (If you live in the U.S. Nutritional info requirements vary from
country to country, and thus, so does the WW points calculation.) The number of points you can eat
in a day is determined by your current weight. As you lose weight, your daily points decrease as
well. The daily points target for someone weighing 295 lbs is 31 points. It's hard to say how that
converts to calories because of the fat and fiber variables, but roughly 31 points works out to
approximately 1700 calories. On days you exercise, you can eat more points depending on the level of
exercise and time spent.

If you're eating 1200 calories a day, you might have put your body into something called
"starvation" mode, where your metabolism slows and becomes an even more efficient fuel burner simply
because you aren't eating enough. To give you some perspective, my daily points target is 22 points,
which works out to approximately 1250 calories. My current weight is 173.6 lbs.

Here are some sample food points values: a 3 oz. lean beef steak (fist size) = 5 pts., a small apple
= 1 pt., a scoop of regular ice cream = 4 pts, 1 cup of almost any vegetable = 0 pts. If you join
WW, either by attending a weekly meeting, or joining Online, you'll receive all kinds of information
about how to calculate and track your daily points. You might want to snoop around
weightwatchers.com, although I don't know any more how much info is available with signing up first.
Another good site to look at for WW info is Dotti's Weight Loss Zone, www.dwlz.com. It was on her
site that I found the points to calories conversion.

Yeah, lots of people who've lost weight on WW regain it. That's also true of every weight loss
program out there. But the reason for that is people tend to gradually return to their old ways of
eating. It's not the fault of WW.

Most of us here on asdww are aware of the possibility of regaining the weight we've lost after we
reach our goal. Many of us have been down this road before and know that keeping it off FOR LIFE is,
in some ways, a trickier road than getting off.

Good luck
--
Prairie Roots
232/173.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

John Hrusovszky said:

Can I ask you to briefly explain what WW actually is? Perhaps what I've
been led to believe it is, is wrong? I've been led to believe that it is an
expensive "meal plan" where you buy their meals and continue buying their
meals (pre-package) for life.

As to your statement of not eating enough food ... how does one arrive at
the proper amount a person should be eating?

Thanks in advance.

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In article <[email hidden]>,
"John" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> I am very confused on the entire weight loss scheme -- nearly everyone

I

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> talk to tells me something different. Some say the old food pyramid

is

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> proven a failure, others say the newer mediterranean diet is the way

to

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go,

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> others say no carbs, still others say very low calorie diets, etc.
>
> The main thing that gets me is this:
> I am 295 pounds, 6'2", and 45 years old. I am told by some that I

should be

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> eating around 3200 - 3500 calories per day just to maintain my weight

with

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> little or no exercise. I have software where I log my meals, and I

average

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> around 2000 calories per day and unless I exercise vigorously (like
> volleyball, tennis, etc.), I cannot lose weight ... in fact, I'll

slowly

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> gain at those calorie counts. What would happen if I added another

1000

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Quoted message said:

> calories per day? I'm afraid I'd blow up like a balloon. I did begin

back

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> in June of 2002 weighing 329. I've lose 34 pounds in that year and a

half

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> now, but have been bouncing between 289 and 300 for the past month ...

not

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> able to take any more off. I've tried getting down to around 1200

calories

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> per day, but I'm afraid I'm losing lean muscle mass along with the fat

when

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> I do that, and I've been told I'll train my body to only use 1200

calories

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> per day so I'll never be able to go back to normal eating once I get

down to

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> where I want.
>
> So, what is the key to nutritionally get the proper content for your

body,

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> yet lose a couple pounds a week (or even more if possible) so I can

get

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to

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> that 175 range I'd like to be? Should I be working out with weights

at

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the

Quoted message said:

> same time I'm attempting to lose weight, or does that fight somehow

against

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> the weight loss as that requires me to eat more protein and fats to

attempt

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> to build the muscle I need to increase my metabolism (a sort of

catch-22)?

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>
> I hope someone here has some really good advice that can help me get

to

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> where I need to be with my weight.
>
> Thank you.
>
>

John,
I am SO with you, my situation EXACTLY. A recent change to a new diet
is low carb, which I've been doing for a month, lost initial 5 lbs in
the first week, that's been it. I have not had a slice of bread in all
that time. Nor do I miss it. I am significantly overweight, and in
perimenopause, but have had weight issues all my life. Genetic
predisposition, but cannot, will not give up, it doesn't even make
sense, that with the sensible way I eat (food types and in moderation),
that my body won't loose. I've been checked, no medical issues causing
this. I'm considering switching over to Weight Watchers which I have
not tried, hoping that for whatever reason with my particular
metabolism, it might respond better to WW. I do not over eat, not a
compulsive eater or binger. No diet is particularly difficult for me to
stay on. My body just wants to be fat. One day I'll accept this and
move on.

Have you ever thought that maybe you are not eating enough food to lose
weight? I know that it sounds strange but it is true. It was not untill I
started WW that I was able to lose weight. Atkins worked for me for a

couple

Quoted message said:

of months but I could not maintain the way of eating for very long. Way

too

Quoted message said:

restrictive. Too many hidden carbs in everyday things. WW on the other

hand

Quoted message said:

forces you to eat the right amount of food for your weight. You gradually
lower the amount of food as you lose weight. It teaches you the right

amount

Quoted message said:

of food to eat to then maintain that weight when you get to goal. It is a
way of life not a diet. That is a key difference between WW and the other
diets out there. They all work in the short term but don't teach you how

to

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eat properly. WW does. It is also easy to follow which makes it nice too.
Good luck.

JulieB said:

WW works out to be a simpler way of counting calories, while encouraging a low fat, high
fiber diet.

Well, I was simply counting calories before I decided to go for WeightWatchers, and frankly, I found
that to be a lot simpler. Every food you buy tells you how many calories are in it, right on the
label. To find out how many points are in that food takes more work than that.

Mind you, I'm happy to go through the extra work to get the results I want, and I can't argue with
success (35 lbs. in just over two months).

But I've seen others who agree with you, that the Points are a great way of simplifying nutrition
information and calorie intake, and I just don't see it.

Stan
309/273.5/199

where it seems to be easier is in the addition, 3 points instead of 463 or
165 that sort of thing, Lee, mathematically challenged
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JulieB said:

WW works out to be a simpler way of counting calories, while encouraging

a

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low fat, high fiber diet.

Well, I was simply counting calories before I decided to go for WeightWatchers, and frankly, I
found that to be a lot simpler. Every food you buy tells you how many calories are in it, right on
the label. To find out how many points are in that food takes more work than that.

Mind you, I'm happy to go through the extra work to get the results I want, and I can't argue with
success (35 lbs. in just over two months).

But I've seen others who agree with you, that the Points are a great way of simplifying nutrition
information and calorie intake, and I just don't see it.

Stan
309/273.5/199