mad cow disease.

Quoted message said:

here in the u.k. the health authorities have banned anyone
who has had a blood transfusion in the last 20 years from
being a blood donor.

here in the u.s. I can't donate blood because I lived
overseas within the last 20 years. I moved back to the u.s.
from germany in 1997.

Denny

paula said:

Will all this NEVER end.?.

This will end when unscrupulous cow farmers stop using
downer and mad cows as feed. There is strong evidence that
cannibalism is bad for any species, and mad cow proves
that it is not only bad for cows but also humans that eat
those cows.

As for the idea that you are safe as long as you do not eat
cow brains, well, I do not trust that. This whole ordeal has
taken several turns for the worse in terms of trusting the
government, medical research, and cow farmers. They earned
my skepticism.

Yet I still eat beef... I cannot give up beef. It is
just too good.

--
John Gaughan johngaughan.netjohngaughan.netOpen ↗
[email hidden]

In article <[email hidden]>,

John Gaughan said:

paula said:

Will all this NEVER end.?.

This will end when unscrupulous cow farmers stop using
downer and mad cows as feed. There is strong evidence that
cannibalism is bad for any species, and mad cow proves
that it is not only bad for cows but also humans that eat
those cows.

As for the idea that you are safe as long as you do not
eat cow brains, well, I do not trust that. This whole
ordeal has taken several turns for the worse in terms of
trusting the government, medical research, and cow
farmers. They earned my skepticism.

Yet I still eat beef... I cannot give up beef. It is just
too good.

Eat New Zealand beef. No mad cows here. 🙂 (And they're all
free-range and grass-fed.)

Miche

--
If you want to end war and stuff you got to sing loud. --
Arlo Guthrie, "Alice's Restaurant"

"John Gaughan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:105nj

Quoted message said:

paula said:

Will all this NEVER end.?.

As for the idea that you are safe as long as you do not
eat cow brains, well, I do not trust that. This whole
ordeal has taken several turns for the worse in terms of
trusting the government, medical research, and cow
farmers. They earned my skepticism.

The problem is, these CNS (central nervous system) parts are
used in many meat products such as beef stock, beef extract
& flavorings. They boil the spinal cord with the skeletal
remains. According to a survey last year by the USDA , about
one-third of hot dogs ,hamburgers, pizza toppings, taco
fillers, tested positive for CNS tissue. Prion contamination
can also occur via the pneumatic guns they use to literally
blow their brains out.....duh....I guess they won't learn
till it hits em in the pocketbook. .They've found brain
parts deep inside some cows.

Imo, in time we'll discover it was the Mad Ranchers & Mad
Beef Processors that preceded the Mad Cows.

<Jon K

John Gaughan said:

There is strong evidence that cannibalism is bad for any
species, and mad cow proves that it is not only bad for
cows but also humans that eat those cows.

What evidence is this? If a species is free of disease that
can be spread by contact with or consumption of blood or
flesh, I can think of no particular scientific drawbacks to
cannibalism.

I am having my family for dinner tonight.

Boron

Jon Leipzig said:

"John Gaughan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:105nj

Quoted message said:

paula said:

Will all this NEVER end.?.

As for the idea that you are safe as long as you do not
eat cow brains, well, I do not trust that. This whole
ordeal has taken several turns for the worse in terms of
trusting the government, medical research, and cow
farmers. They earned my skepticism.

The problem is, these CNS (central nervous system) parts
are used in many meat products such as beef stock, beef
extract & flavorings. They boil the spinal cord with the
skeletal remains. According to a survey last year by the
USDA , about one-third of hot dogs ,hamburgers, pizza
toppings, taco fillers, tested positive for CNS tissue.

Do you have a citation for that USDA info? All I can find
that refers to it are referenced through people like Michael
Gregar who are Vegan/PETA actiivsts.

Boron

[email hidden] (denny) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

here in the u.k. the health authorities have banned
anyone who has had a blood transfusion in the last 20
years from being a blood donor.

here in the u.s. I can't donate blood because I lived
overseas within the last 20 years. I moved back to the
u.s. from germany in 1997.

Denny

when i lived in Germany this last time, anyone knowingly
going into a local hospital for an op. was advised to have
some of their own blood on standby in case a transfuion was
necessary. They were rather worried about giving foreigners
blood in case of any repercusions. obviously this was no
good if the hospitalisation was without notice.

Boron Elgar said:

On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 10:12:59 -0500, "Jon Leipzig"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The problem is, these CNS (central nervous system) parts
are used in many meat products such as beef stock, beef
extract & flavorings. They boil the spinal cord with the
skeletal remains. According to a survey last year by the
USDA , about one-third of hot dogs ,hamburgers, pizza
toppings, taco fillers, tested positive for CNS tissue.

I remember it being 25%, not 33%. It's still a lot.

Quoted message said:

Do you have a citation for that USDA info? All I can find
that refers to it are referenced through people like
Michael Gregar who are Vegan/PETA actiivsts.

This is only one of dozens of reports on the issue.

fsis.usda.govAMRSurvey.pdfOpen ↗

This is one that evaluates the data several different
ways. Not sure if 33% or 25% is correct; I'm sure they're
both correct.

-sw

Steve Wertz said:

Boron Elgar said:

On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 10:12:59 -0500, "Jon Leipzig"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The problem is, these CNS (central nervous system) parts
are used in many meat products such as beef stock, beef
extract & flavorings. They boil the spinal cord with the
skeletal remains. According to a survey last year by the
USDA , about one-third of hot dogs ,hamburgers, pizza
toppings, taco fillers, tested positive for CNS tissue.

I remember it being 25%, not 33%. It's still a lot.

Quoted message said:

Do you have a citation for that USDA info? All I can find
that refers to it are referenced through people like
Michael Gregar who are Vegan/PETA actiivsts.

This is only one of dozens of reports on the issue.

fsis.usda.govAMRSurvey.pdfOpen ↗

This is one that evaluates the data several different
ways. Not sure if 33% or 25% is correct; I'm sure they're
both correct.

-sw

Actually, the citation you quote, which is quite interesting
and talks of a survey among a sample of meat producers (34
in one and 25 in another) certainly indicates that are some
with CNS tissue in their products, but this says absolutely
nothing whatsoever about "hot dogs hamburgers, pizza
toppings, taco fillers." And, realize, too, this is a very
small sample size and I have no idea of how representative
of AMR meat production facilities it is.

Though it is imperative that we are vigilant and steadfast
in monitoring the food stuffs in this country at all times
and especially in light of our growing knowledge of
wasting diseases in animals, it is as important to quote
statistics and stories accurately and without bias or
inflammatory exaggeration. Inaccuracy or bias in reportage
does no one any good.

Boron

"Boron Elgar" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Jon Leipzig said:

"John Gaughan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:105nj

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paula wrote:
> Will all this NEVER end.?.

As for the idea that you are safe as long as you do not
eat cow brains, well, I do not trust that. This whole
ordeal has taken several turns

for

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the worse in terms of trusting the government, medical
research, and

cow

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farmers. They earned my skepticism.

The problem is, these CNS (central nervous system) parts
are used in many meat products such as beef stock, beef
extract & flavorings. They boil

the

Quoted message said:

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spinal cord with the skeletal remains. According to a
survey last year by the USDA , about one-third of hot
dogs ,hamburgers, pizza toppings, taco fillers, tested
positive for CNS tissue.

Do you have a citation for that USDA info? All I can find
that refers to it are referenced through people like
Michael Gregar who are Vegan/PETA actiivsts.

Well, yes and no. I posted this in another group some time
ago. Didn't include the ref. I know I have it, but it's on
my crashed HDrive.

Found this one, remarkably similar, but I distinctly recall
my orig- source claimed it was a USDA study, not a vague ref
to a "gov't survey".

cspinet.orgsaferbeef.htmlOpen ↗

Potentially risky:

Meat products that might contain brain, spinal cord, or
central nervous system tissue. These include cow brains,
head cheese, neck bones, cheek meat, and ox-tail from
cattle. Products that contain beef extracted by "advanced
meat recovery" (AMR) machines that squeeze out the last bits
of meat from cow carcasses. A 2002 government survey found
that one in three samples of this reclaimed meat was
contaminated with spinal cord and other central nervous
system tissue. AMR beef may be used in some hot dogs, taco
fillings, pizza toppings, sausages, and beef jerky made from
ground or chopped meat. Manufacturers are not required to
identify AMR beef on food labels.

Boron Elgar said:

Actually, the citation you quote, which is quite
interesting and talks of a survey among a sample of meat
producers (34 in one and 25 in another) certainly indicates
that are some with CNS tissue in their products, but this
says absolutely nothing whatsoever about "hot dogs
hamburgers, pizza toppings, taco fillers."

It's common knowledge that AMR products are used in these
items. You can find this reference for yourself. I'm done
doing your homework.

-sw

"Boron Elgar" <[email hidden]> wrote in
messag

Quoted message said:

On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 15:43:58 -0600, Steve Wertz
<[email hidden]> wrote:

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is as important to quote statistics and stories accurately
and without bias or inflammatory exaggeration. Inaccuracy
or bias in reportage does no one any good.

Imo, it's only important if you assume you know which
sources of info are accurate/unbiased. Do you trust the
USDA?? (trivia: the No.2 person & the PR wench came to the
USDA from the Cattlemen's Ass'n.)

sidenote: A major wire service, UPI, had been trying for
months to get verification from the USDA that 20,000 cattle
had been tested. Seems to me, it's be easily obtainable if
it were documented.

ps: from all my MC reading (still on my crashed HD), I no
longer believe the feed is the causitive agent. The
same feed supposedly responsible for the major outbreak
in the UK, had been exported to many other countries
for decades.