Made in China

"Naztazia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I was ready to make ginger snap cookies this evening and a friend
tells me that most ginger is grown in China. I said get out of town.
So I call up McC spices and sure enough, their powdered ginger is
indeed grown in China. Apparently even "fresh" ginger in my grocery
store is too. To top it off, my friend said there was a big recall
back in July because of pesticides used on ginger products from China
(nausea, headaches, etc).

Am I being paranoid, or should I just go ahead and make the cookies.
I have nothing against China per se, just their food track record
isn't so hot...

TIA, Naz

Our government inspects a tiny fraction of the food entering this country.
So, using stuff from China or anywhere else is a roll of the dice.

"Naztazia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I was ready to make ginger snap cookies this evening and a friend
tells me that most ginger is grown in China. I said get out of town.
So I call up McC spices and sure enough, their powdered ginger is
indeed grown in China. Apparently even "fresh" ginger in my grocery
store is too. To top it off, my friend said there was a big recall
back in July because of pesticides used on ginger products from China
(nausea, headaches, etc).

Am I being paranoid, or should I just go ahead and make the cookies.
I have nothing against China per se, just their food track record
isn't so hot...

TIA, Naz

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_20070801/ai_n19439037

"Steve Pope" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Naztazia said:

I was ready to make ginger snap cookies this evening and a friend
tells me that most ginger is grown in China. I said get out of town.
So I call up McC spices and sure enough, their powdered ginger is
indeed grown in China. Apparently even "fresh" ginger in my grocery
store is too. To top it off, my friend said there was a big recall
back in July because of pesticides used on ginger products from China
(nausea, headaches, etc).

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Am I being paranoid, or should I just go ahead and make the cookies.
I have nothing against China per se, just their food track record
isn't so hot...

You are not being paranoid. Ginger is sometimes not safe. You can
mitigate most (not all) of the risk by buying organic ginger.

Steve

But Steve...look at the excerpt from this article:

"It wasn't clear how the contaminated batch got into the United States.
Christopher said he relied on his importer, Modern Trading Inc., to ensure
that the ginger was safe. An employee at Modern Trading, based in Los
Angeles County, said she assumed that Chinese authorities had tested it
before it was shipped overseas. The importer bought the ginger from Juxian
Modern Organic Ginger Co. of China."

The contaminated ginger came from an organic ginger company. If we can't
trust the Chinese, who can we trust?

{SMIRK}

Naztazia said:

Apparently even "fresh" ginger in my grocery
store is too.

California grows a few thousand tons of the stuff. That's where
all the ginger in my stores comes from. I buy 2-3 pounds of it
at a time.

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Am I being paranoid,

Yes. Or make your own powdered ginger - which will be a lot more
tasty then that stuff from the shelf.

-sw

JoeSpareBedroom said:

But Steve...look at the excerpt from this article:

"It wasn't clear how the contaminated batch got into the United States.
Christopher said he relied on his importer, Modern Trading Inc., to ensure
that the ginger was safe. An employee at Modern Trading, based in Los
Angeles County, said she assumed that Chinese authorities had tested it
before it was shipped overseas. The importer bought the ginger from Juxian
Modern Organic Ginger Co. of China."

The contaminated ginger came from an organic ginger company. If we can't
trust the Chinese, who can we trust?

That doesn't mean the ginger was supposed to be organic.
"Organic" in the name of a Chinese company may be misleading
(when translated to English), but it's not an implied
certification.

-sw

Steve Pope said:

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Am I being paranoid, or should I just go ahead and make the cookies.
I have nothing against China per se, just their food track record
isn't so hot...

You are not being paranoid. Ginger is sometimes not safe. You can
mitigate most (not all) of the risk by buying organic ginger.

Would organic ginger not include that which is fertilized with human or
other excrement?

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Steve Pope said:

Quoted message said:

Am I being paranoid, or should I just go ahead and make the cookies.
I have nothing against China per se, just their food track record
isn't so hot...

You are not being paranoid. Ginger is sometimes not safe. You can
mitigate most (not all) of the risk by buying organic ginger.

Would organic ginger not include that which is fertilized with human or
other excrement?

Indirect answer: Which of your NON-organic produce do you imagine is NOT
fertilized with animal manure? Give me a list.

JoeSpareBedroom said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You are not being paranoid. Ginger is sometimes not safe. You can
mitigate most (not all) of the risk by buying organic ginger.

Would organic ginger not include that which is fertilized with human or
other excrement?

Indirect answer: Which of your NON-organic produce do you imagine is NOT
fertilized with animal manure? Give me a list.

It is not an indirect answer because there was no question. You suggested
that one can mitigate most of the risk by buying organic ginger. One of
the problems with organic produce is that it is fertilized with improperly
composted manure .... or human excrement, which makes it a lot more
dangerous than some chemically fertilized produce.

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Steve Pope said:

Quoted message said:

Am I being paranoid, or should I just go ahead and make the
cookies. I have nothing against China per se, just their
food track record isn't so hot...

You are not being paranoid. Ginger is sometimes not safe.
You can mitigate most (not all) of the risk by buying organic
ginger.

Would organic ginger not include that which is fertilized with
human or other excrement?

Not the Nine O'Clock News had a song about that, something about
all the weasel bits the harvester cut off...

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JoeSpareBedroom said:

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> You are not being paranoid. Ginger is sometimes not safe. You can
> mitigate most (not all) of the risk by buying organic ginger.

Would organic ginger not include that which is fertilized with human or
other excrement?

Indirect answer: Which of your NON-organic produce do you imagine is NOT
fertilized with animal manure? Give me a list.

It is not an indirect answer because there was no question. You suggested
that one can mitigate most of the risk by buying organic ginger.

Actually, no. I said no such thing.

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One of
the problems with organic produce is that it is fertilized with improperly
composted manure .... or human excrement, which makes it a lot more
dangerous than some chemically fertilized produce.

Before we continue, would you like to amend your sentence above so it says
"...is that it is sometimes fertilized with improperly..."??? The other
option is for you to appear silly and uninformed.

Choose, please. Fix, or appear silly.

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I was ready to make ginger snap cookies this evening and a friend
tells me that most ginger is grown in China. I said get out of town.
So I call up McC spices and sure enough, their powdered ginger is
indeed grown in China. Apparently even "fresh" ginger in my grocery
store is too. To top it off, my friend said there was a big recall
back in July because of pesticides used on ginger products from China
(nausea, headaches, etc).

Am I being paranoid, or should I just go ahead and make the cookies.
I have nothing against China per se, just their food track record
isn't so hot...

TIA, Naz

Our government inspects a tiny fraction of the food entering this
country. So, using stuff from China or anywhere else is a roll of the
dice.

Frankly, given the actual insepction rate of many food products made
here in the US, maybe we shouldn't eat anything at all...

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I was ready to make ginger snap cookies this evening and a friend
tells me that most ginger is grown in China. I said get out of town.
So I call up McC spices and sure enough, their powdered ginger is
indeed grown in China. Apparently even "fresh" ginger in my grocery
store is too. To top it off, my friend said there was a big recall
back in July because of pesticides used on ginger products from China
(nausea, headaches, etc).

Am I being paranoid, or should I just go ahead and make the cookies.
I have nothing against China per se, just their food track record
isn't so hot...

TIA, Naz

Our government inspects a tiny fraction of the food entering this
country. So, using stuff from China or anywhere else is a roll of the
dice.

Frankly, given the actual insepction rate of many food products made
here in the US, maybe we shouldn't eat anything at all...

At least here, there are some "knowns". Farmers can't get their hands on
banned pesticides (pretty much), and due to increasing interest in
integrated pest management concepts, abuses aren't as much a concern as in
places like China and Latin America.

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I was ready to make ginger snap cookies this evening and a friend
tells me that most ginger is grown in China. I said get out of town.
So I call up McC spices and sure enough, their powdered ginger is
indeed grown in China. Apparently even "fresh" ginger in my grocery
store is too. To top it off, my friend said there was a big recall
back in July because of pesticides used on ginger products from China
(nausea, headaches, etc).

Am I being paranoid, or should I just go ahead and make the cookies.
I have nothing against China per se, just their food track record
isn't so hot...

TIA, Naz

Our government inspects a tiny fraction of the food entering this
country. So, using stuff from China or anywhere else is a roll of the
dice.

Frankly, given the actual insepction rate of many food products made
here in the US, maybe we shouldn't eat anything at all...

I had to think the same thing the other day -- I don't know how many
hamburgers I have a year -- possibly five at the very most? I had a
hamburger Saturday night -- Sunday I heard that there had been another
recall of hamburger due to ecoli.

I see now at Costco the red/yellow/orange peppers are now labeled Product of
Canada and Mexico -- no, I don't buy them now. Make up your mind --
covering your bases or covering your asses! Grrrhhh!

I was noticing in a email I had written quite a while back about my
preference for Italian-made products. My Lello Gelato maker came in the
mail today. Geez -- they don't even put "Made in China" on it -- it says,
"Made in PRC."

Say, honey! Where do you think that this here thang were made -- the PRC? --
is that anything like Garmany? Well -- goll-lee.

Dee Dee

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Naztazia said:

I was ready to make ginger snap cookies this evening and a friend
tells me that most ginger is grown in China. I said get out of town.
So I call up McC spices and sure enough, their powdered ginger is
indeed grown in China. Apparently even "fresh" ginger in my grocery
store is too. To top it off, my friend said there was a big recall
back in July because of pesticides used on ginger products from China
(nausea, headaches, etc).

Am I being paranoid, or should I just go ahead and make the cookies.
I have nothing against China per se, just their food track record
isn't so hot...

Buy ginger from Australia -- the brand to look for is Buderim.

Miche (not an Australian)

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Dave Smith said:

Steve Pope wrote:

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Am I being paranoid, or should I just go ahead and make the cookies.
I have nothing against China per se, just their food track record
isn't so hot...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You are not being paranoid. Ginger is sometimes not safe. You can
mitigate most (not all) of the risk by buying organic ginger.

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Would organic ginger not include that which is fertilized with human or
other excrement?

Yes, organic farming uses animal manure.

Only recently has human manure been used in the U.S., and then
only after lots of processing. I'm not sure if organic farmers
use it. It mostly goes on pasture.

Steve

Naztazia said:

I was ready to make ginger snap cookies this evening and a friend
tells me that most ginger is grown in China. I said get out of town.
So I call up McC spices and sure enough, their powdered ginger is
indeed grown in China. Apparently even "fresh" ginger in my grocery
store is too. To top it off, my friend said there was a big recall
back in July because of pesticides used on ginger products from China
(nausea, headaches, etc).

Am I being paranoid, or should I just go ahead and make the cookies.
I have nothing against China per se, just their food track record
isn't so hot...

Ginger? Lemme tell you that most of the commercial garlic around here
is from China. Why China and not South America or Mexico, I dunno....
but it's from China - so ask before you buy.

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Naztazia said:

I was ready to make ginger snap cookies this evening and a friend
tells me that most ginger is grown in China. I said get out of town.
So I call up McC spices and sure enough, their powdered ginger is
indeed grown in China. Apparently even "fresh" ginger in my grocery
store is too.

To top it off, my friend said there was a big recall

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back in July because of pesticides used on ginger products from China
(nausea, headaches, etc).

The good news is, nobody died. The pesticide was;

aldicarb sulfoxide

Aldicarb is a systemic pesticide that has a dark grey to black,
granule_like appearance. It is applied to soil and taken up by plant
roots, but it is illegal to use aldicarb on certain crops because it can
be incorporated in the flesh of the fruit. Aldicarb is one of the most
toxic pesticides known, and as already said, its toxicity can be
expressed as a lethal dose (LD50) of about 6 mg/kg body mass orally.

trivia: this aldicarb has become popular in So. Africa. Burglars put it
in meat, to kill watchdogs. Supposedly, it only takes a few grams to
kill a rhino. Potent stuff.

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I was ready to make ginger snap cookies this evening and a friend
tells me that most ginger is grown in China. I said get out of town.
So I call up McC spices and sure enough, their powdered ginger is
indeed grown in China. Apparently even "fresh" ginger in my grocery
store is too. To top it off, my friend said there was a big recall
back in July because of pesticides used on ginger products from China
(nausea, headaches, etc).

Am I being paranoid, or should I just go ahead and make the cookies.
I have nothing against China per se, just their food track record
isn't so hot...

TIA, Naz

Our government inspects a tiny fraction of the food entering this
country. So, using stuff from China or anywhere else is a roll of the
dice.

Frankly, given the actual insepction rate of many food products made
here in the US, maybe we shouldn't eat anything at all...

It's not just the low inspection rate, but the fact that they're not
inspected for the multitudes of possible illegal chemicals.

That Robbins guy, (of ice cream fame), who became a health nut/author,
cited an EPA memo in one of his books, admitting that the majority of
our chemical intake is thru meat, not fruits/veggies.

"You are what you eat.....and what the animals ate" ~ Jon L

JoeSpareBedroom said:

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Indirect answer: Which of your NON-organic produce do you imagine is NOT
fertilized with animal manure? Give me a list.

It is not an indirect answer because there was no question. You suggested
that one can mitigate most of the risk by buying organic ginger.

Actually, no. I said no such thing.

You are correct. It was Steve Pope who said that. When I asked a question
about ginger being considered organic if it was fertilized with human
excrement you said that it was an indirect answer.

It was not an indirect answer. It was a question.

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Before we continue, would you like to amend your sentence above so it says
"...is that it is sometimes fertilized with improperly..."??? The other
option is for you to appear silly and uninformed.

Choose, please. Fix, or appear silly.

I will leave it, so you can look silly.