major tours quit pro tour

In case you missed it, today is December 9th. This would be the perfect
date to register complaints of this nature in order to have them solved
by the racing season.

There's NO way that the UCI can run a season without the three great
tours, and perhaps as important: Paris Nice, Tirreno-Adriatico,
Milan-San Remo, Paris-Roubaix, Flèche Wallonne,
Liège-Bastogne-Liège, Paris-Tours and the Tour of Lombardy.

tispectrum said:

http://tinyurl.com/983h8

That's the best news since the Battle of Waterloo

It was about time somebody put those UCI Wankerz in their place.

I'v been keeping my fingers crossed that they'd do that for the last
couple of years.

Cycle racing is Dead, and Hein Verbruggen killed it, leaving his
bum-boy from KellyReich to say Kaddisch.

But with a bit of luck Bike Racing still might pull a Lazarus

--
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Davey

Hah. The best part is the UCI's reply
(http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=1777). Hein Verbruggen is more
out of touch with reality than I could possibly imagine. It's all
[censored],"huh?" No one's buying the bluff. Here's what I really think
(http://cyclocosm.com/2005/12/pro-cycling-news-no-grand-tours-in.html).

-Cosmo
http://cyclocosm.com

Err, if it's not 1975 perhaps old Heiney might want to explain why he
objects to appearance money?

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<[email hidden]>,
"[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Hah. The best part is the UCI's reply
(http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=1777). Hein Verbruggen is more
out of touch with reality than I could possibly imagine. It's all
[censored],"huh?" No one's buying the bluff. Here's what I really think
(http://cyclocosm.com/2005/12/pro-cycling-news-no-grand-tours-in.html).

-Cosmo
http://cyclocosm.com

The move is clean, decisive, and good for cycling.
Three cheers.
Hein Verbruggen used the word `power' three times in four
paragraphs.

--
Michael Press

The ProTour was not a well thought out plan.

"Davey Crockett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

tispectrum said:

http://tinyurl.com/983h8

That's the best news since the Battle of Waterloo

It was about time somebody put those UCI Wankerz in their place.

I'v been keeping my fingers crossed that they'd do that for the last
couple of years.

Cycle racing is Dead, and Hein Verbruggen killed it, leaving his
bum-boy from KellyReich to say Kaddisch.

But with a bit of luck Bike Racing still might pull a Lazarus

Lets hope so. IMO, what really gives the Grand Tour organizers a strong
position is that they also control a number of the major classics.

Robert Chung said:

The ProTour was not a well thought out plan.

American open-wheel auto racing fans will be reminded of the Indy v CART
powerplay [censored] that crippled the sport for years. Indy car racing still
hasn't recovered and likely never will.

Ron

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:45:05 GMT, RonSonic <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

American open-wheel auto racing fans will be reminded of the Indy v CART
powerplay [censored] that crippled the sport for years. Indy car racing still
hasn't recovered and likely never will.

What? The modifieds, super modifieds and sprints aren't still racing
on the dirt in Hutchinson, KS? Really disappointed to hear that - if
you don't race sideways, you're not really racing.

Unfortunately, it carried over to my bike racing...

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

tispectrum said:

http://tinyurl.com/983h8

what's not clear what the exact sticking points are. all the issues
seem workable, not deal breakers.

the big players all stand to gain from a protour franchise system, in
the long term. it's the medium players that stand to lose the most.

but we might be seeing the start of a separate big league circuit
separate the the UCI. like the NBA and FIBA, or what i suppose the US
sort of has with USPRO and USCF.

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Quoted message said:

tispectrum said:

http://tinyurl.com/983h8

what's not clear what the exact sticking points are. all the issues
seem workable, not deal breakers.

the big players all stand to gain from a protour franchise system, in
the long term. it's the medium players that stand to lose the most.

but we might be seeing the start of a separate big league circuit
separate the the UCI. like the NBA and FIBA, or what i suppose the US
sort of has with USPRO and USCF.

The UCI will screw them by creating new classics in places like Ankara,
Tirane, Bratislava, Vilnius, Galway and Belfast. ;-)

Robert Chung said:

The ProTour was not a well thought out plan.

It's the media's negativity that is undermining the morale of
the ProTour troops, I mean participants. The media aren't
reporting all the good things that are happening in the ProTour.
Why, the UCI headquarters has power 9.6 hours per day this
month, up from 8.9 hours last month. You go to the races with
the ProTour you have, not the ProTour you might wish to have.

Remember, a victory in the ProTour is a victory for freedom.
And if you don't support the ProTour, the enemies of freedom win.

Yours for the Revolution in Cycling Affairs,

Hein "Donald" Verbruggen

Quoted message said:

Robert Chung said:

The ProTour was not a well thought out plan.

It's the media's negativity that is undermining the morale of
the ProTour troops, I mean participants. The media aren't
reporting all the good things that are happening in the ProTour.
Why, the UCI headquarters has power 9.6 hours per day this
month, up from 8.9 hours last month. You go to the races with
the ProTour you have, not the ProTour you might wish to have.

Remember, a victory in the ProTour is a victory for freedom.
And if you don't support the ProTour, the enemies of freedom win.

Yours for the Revolution in Cycling Affairs,

Hein "Donald" Verbruggen

You forgot to add that if you criticize the pro tour, you disrespect all
those brave men and women that have sacrificed life and limb for the pro
tour.

--
Bill Asher

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William Asher said:

Quoted message said:

Robert Chung said:

The ProTour was not a well thought out plan.

It's the media's negativity that is undermining the morale of
the ProTour troops, I mean participants. The media aren't
reporting all the good things that are happening in the ProTour.
Why, the UCI headquarters has power 9.6 hours per day this
month, up from 8.9 hours last month. You go to the races with
the ProTour you have, not the ProTour you might wish to have.

Remember, a victory in the ProTour is a victory for freedom.
And if you don't support the ProTour, the enemies of freedom win.

Yours for the Revolution in Cycling Affairs,

Hein "Donald" Verbruggen

You forgot to add that if you criticize the pro tour, you disrespect all
those brave men and women that have sacrificed life and limb for the pro
tour.

It's time for bike racing fans who distrust the ProTour to acknowledge that
it will be the series for many more critical years and that in matters of racing
we undermine the ProTour's credibility at our sport's peril.

Pat "Joementum" McQuaid

--
tanx,
Howard

The poodle bites, the poodle chews it.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:23:34 -0500, Curtis L. Russell <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:45:05 GMT, RonSonic <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

American open-wheel auto racing fans will be reminded of the Indy v CART
powerplay [censored] that crippled the sport for years. Indy car racing still
hasn't recovered and likely never will.

What? The modifieds, super modifieds and sprints aren't still racing
on the dirt in Hutchinson, KS? Really disappointed to hear that - if
you don't race sideways, you're not really racing.

I said Indy cars haven't recovered, all the other cool stuff is still out there.

Quoted message said:

Unfortunately, it carried over to my bike racing...

If you're not a mountain biker that could be bad.

Ron

On 10 Dec 2005 10:51:22 -0800, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Robert Chung said:

The ProTour was not a well thought out plan.

It's the media's negativity that is undermining the morale of
the ProTour troops, I mean participants. The media aren't
reporting all the good things that are happening in the ProTour.
Why, the UCI headquarters has power 9.6 hours per day this
month, up from 8.9 hours last month. You go to the races with
the ProTour you have, not the ProTour you might wish to have.

Remember, a victory in the ProTour is a victory for freedom.
And if you don't support the ProTour, the enemies of freedom win.

How dare you question my patriotism to the tour and my regard for the riders. Of
course I support the riders! That's why I want to send them home instead of
throwing them headlong into the unwinnable quagmire of a ProTour with no plan
and no exit strategy.

Ron

Robert Chung said:

The ProTour was not a well thought out plan.

That has to qualify as the understatement if the millennium

--
Le Vent à Dos
Davey Crockett

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 12:37:01 GMT, "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]>

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But with a bit of luck Bike Racing still might pull a Lazarus

Lets hope so. IMO, what really gives the Grand Tour organizers a strong
position is that they also control a number of the major classics.

The operative word of course is 'control'

Unfortunately this is what it has always been about with the UCI
attempting to control every aspect of the cycling scene that it
thought could enhance its authority whilst at the same time committing
it to expend a minimum of effort and scarce resources.

But where some efffort might be required the UCI is simply not
interested.

A prime example of this is their total refusal to assimilate the
Bicycle Messengers or to assist Davey in his efforts to improve their
lot.

Anyhow, after 50+ years of consecutive UCI affiliate licenses, Davey
finally got fed up with the UCI and this year and forever after took
and will take a UFOLEP licence and let the UCI do whatever it likes.

--
Le Vent à Dos
Davey Crockett

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:41:17 GMT, "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]>

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tispectrum said:

http://tinyurl.com/983h8

what's not clear what the exact sticking points are. all the issues
seem workable, not deal breakers.

the big players all stand to gain from a protour franchise system, in
the long term. it's the medium players that stand to lose the most.

but we might be seeing the start of a separate big league circuit
separate the the UCI. like the NBA and FIBA, or what i suppose the US
sort of has with USPRO and USCF.

The UCI will screw them by creating new classics in places like Ankara,
Tirane, Bratislava, Vilnius, Galway and Belfast. ;-)

Man have you ever been smokin' Bad Hash

--
Le Vent à Dos
Davey Crockett