Manual Uribe

That seems to always be the underlying question for the really large
bed-ridden people: who enables them. They can't get out of bed, so how is
it they can manage to eat so much food to grow to such size?

glassman wrote:
:: Anyone else watch the show about the 1250 lb man that has lost
:: about 400 lbs so far? He now has a bunch of websites, and is such a
:: likeable guy you can't help but root for him. The thing most
:: interesting to me is that it was never mentioned that there was no
:: way he could have gotten anywhere close to this size without his mom
:: feeding him all day, everyday. No one asked her the simple question
:: of why? He hadn't been out of bed or outside in 5 years. Way to go
:: MANUEL!
::
::
:: --
:: JK Sinrod
:: www.SinrodStudios.com
:: www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com

glassman said:

Anyone else watch the show about the 1250 lb man that has lost about 400
lbs so far? He now has a bunch of websites, and is such a likeable guy you
can't help but root for him. The thing most interesting to me is that it
was never mentioned that there was no way he could have gotten anywhere
close to this size without his mom feeding him all day, everyday. No one
asked her the simple question of why? He hadn't been out of bed or outside
in 5 years. Way to go MANUEL!

400 down, probably 650-700 to go. I suppose you have to start
somewhere.

On the Discovery Channel program "I Eat 33,000 Calories a Day" they
featured
4 super morbidly obese people, 3 of whom were bedridden and 1 who was
afraid
that's where she was headed. The recovering 33K kcal eater, an immense
British
man, didn't really discuss how he got his food. The other two bed
ridden people had
families enabling, though the enormous American man also had a basket
and a phone
and would sneak delivery food. His family seemed to imply that he
moved pretty well
if you didn't feed him regularly. The American Woman had her teenaged
son as her
mobile gatherer. They put some cookies on a plate at the table about
30 feet behind
her while they interviewed her. She spoke in terms you'd expect from a
heroin addict
about how hard it was to talk while the cookies were there, almost
calling to her.
Mercifully, they probably gave her the cookies. More mercifully, they
didn't show us
the spectacle of her eating the cookies (though much gross footage of
the two
Americans eating was supplied. The British Lady who was still
ambulatory, looked
like Cindy Crawford compared to the other three on the program. The
British man,
former 33000 calorie a day eater, ate some salad for the extreme
closeup. Ick).

Last thought: How does someone afford 33000 calories a day when you're
bed ridden.
None of these people seemed to be inherently wealthy, though the
ambulatory lady
seemed to hold a job between her grazing sessions.

Roger Zoul said:

That seems to always be the underlying question for the really large
bed-ridden people: who enables them. They can't get out of bed, so
how is it they can manage to eat so much food to grow to such size?

My first thought would be that their glucagon system is broken, the
way insulin is in a Type I diabetic. They have to eat to stay alive,
and it'd be impossible to prevent *any* energy from being stored as
fat; but without glucagon, they can't ever take any fat back out of
the cells once it's been stored.

Makes sense to me, anyway.

--
Aaron -- 285/254/200 -- aaron.baugher.biz

Aaron Baugher wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> writes:
::
::: That seems to always be the underlying question for the really large
::: bed-ridden people: who enables them. They can't get out of bed, so
::: how is it they can manage to eat so much food to grow to such size?
::
:: My first thought would be that their glucagon system is broken, the
:: way insulin is in a Type I diabetic. They have to eat to stay alive,
:: and it'd be impossible to prevent *any* energy from being stored as
:: fat; but without glucagon, they can't ever take any fat back out of
:: the cells once it's been stored.
::
:: Makes sense to me, anyway.

But how'd this latest guy managed to lose 400 lbs? Did he somehow get his
glucagon system fixed?

::
::
::
:: --
:: Aaron -- 285/254/200 -- aaron.baugher.biz

Roger Zoul said:

Aaron Baugher wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> writes:
::
::: That seems to always be the underlying question for the really large
::: bed-ridden people: who enables them. They can't get out of bed, so
::: how is it they can manage to eat so much food to grow to such size?
::
:: My first thought would be that their glucagon system is broken, the
:: way insulin is in a Type I diabetic. They have to eat to stay alive,
:: and it'd be impossible to prevent *any* energy from being stored as
:: fat; but without glucagon, they can't ever take any fat back out of
:: the cells once it's been stored.
::
:: Makes sense to me, anyway.

But how'd this latest guy managed to lose 400 lbs? Did he somehow
get his glucagon system fixed?

I didn't watch the show, so I have no idea. I've wondered before why
the non-production of insulin is somewhat common yet you never hear
about the same thing with glucagon at all. I realize today's
high-carb diets are making things worse on the insulin side, but it
seems like there are a significant number of people who are Type I at
birth or soon after. If there's such an affliction on the glucagon
side, it's rare enough that I've never heard of it, or those babies
don't make it to birth. I assume it'd be hard (impossible?) to
survive without any, just as it is to survive without any insulin.

Anyway, it's just a thought; I'm not selling a book based on it or
anything. But I've wondered the same thing, because Robert Earl
Hughes, who held the record for heaviest man in the world for a couple
decades, lived about 15 miles from where I'm sitting now and was
somewhat related to my brother-in-law. At 1069 pounds, he was way
past the point where he could go out and get his own food. I think
they had to cut a hole in his house to get him out to bury him.

Was someone stuffing him with thousands of calories a day for his
entire life? (He only lived 32 years.) Did they ever try a
starvation diet, or any diet? I don't know.

And to head this off: I'm not trying to make excuses for people here,
either. But in these extreme cases, it wouldn't be surprising to find
out there was more going on than a lack of will-power.

--
Aaron -- 285/254/200 -- aaron.baugher.biz

Roger Zoul said:

That seems to always be the underlying question for the really large
bed-ridden people: who enables them. They can't get out of bed, so how is
it they can manage to eat so much food to grow to such size?

Some fall victim to a feeder-feedee relationship. I had a friend who
got caught in one, although when I knew her, she had been out of it
from quite some time and had lost about 200 pounds. She still weighed
over 500, but at least she was ambulatory.

You can read an interesting piece about feeding here:

http://www.rotunda.com/people/yohannon/no_feeders.html

Myra

Myra said:

Roger Zoul said:

That seems to always be the underlying question for the really large
bed-ridden people: who enables them. They can't get out of bed, so
how is it they can manage to eat so much food to grow to such size?

Some fall victim to a feeder-feedee relationship. I had a friend who
got caught in one, although when I knew her, she had been out of it
from quite some time and had lost about 200 pounds. She still weighed
over 500, but at least she was ambulatory.

You can read an interesting piece about feeding here:

http://www.rotunda.com/people/yohannon/no_feeders.html

Oooooof!! Strong stuff!

Hollywood wrote:
:: On Aug 29, 9:50 pm, "glassman" <[email hidden]> wrote:
::: Anyone else watch the show about the 1250 lb man that has lost
::: about 400 lbs so far? He now has a bunch of websites, and is such a
::: likeable guy you can't help but root for him. The thing most
::: interesting to me is that it was never mentioned that there was no
::: way he could have gotten anywhere close to this size without his
::: mom feeding him all day, everyday. No one asked her the simple
::: question of why? He hadn't been out of bed or outside in 5 years.
::: Way to go MANUEL!
::
:: 400 down, probably 650-700 to go. I suppose you have to start
:: somewhere.
::

I'm trying to process this one, but I guess I need to leave it alone! 🙂

How long can a loving parent not act, when the child genuinely expresses
suffering from hunger?

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Quoted message said:

Anyone else watch the show about the 1250 lb man that has lost about 400
lbs so far? He now has a bunch of websites, and is such a likeable guy you
can't help but root for him. The thing most interesting to me is that it
was never mentioned that there was no way he could have gotten anywhere
close to this size without his mom feeding him all day, everyday. No one
asked her the simple question of why? He hadn't been out of bed or outside
in 5 years. Way to go MANUEL!

--
JK Sinrod
www.SinrodStudios.com
www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com

Ophelia said:

Oooooof!! Strong stuff!

Yep. I used to know Yohannon years ago. Very interesting guy.

Myra

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Aaron Baugher wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> writes:
::
::: That seems to always be the underlying question for the really large
::: bed-ridden people: who enables them. They can't get out of bed, so
::: how is it they can manage to eat so much food to grow to such size?
::
:: My first thought would be that their glucagon system is broken, the
:: way insulin is in a Type I diabetic. They have to eat to stay alive,
:: and it'd be impossible to prevent *any* energy from being stored as
:: fat; but without glucagon, they can't ever take any fat back out of
:: the cells once it's been stored.
::
:: Makes sense to me, anyway.

But how'd this latest guy managed to lose 400 lbs? Did he somehow get his
glucagon system fixed?

::
::
::
:: --
:: Aaron -- 285/254/200 -- aaron.baugher.biz

Sorry I left out the details thinking that more of you saw the show. He
had to choose between gastric bypass, and a dietician directed Zone diet.
Fearing the surgery he chose the diet. He could barley sit up in bed, so
they built him a steel frame all around him so he can hang on and do some
exercise. His mom was told what he could eat and she basically cooked him
low carb plus fruit and veggies etc. Once the media got wind of all this,
he became an instant celebrity with all kinds of promotions and docs and
fitness folks visiting him daily. You can't even imagine what 1250 lbs
looks like. He had huge growths on his legs that were estimated at 200 lbs
alone! Dr. Sears even came for a visit and supplies him with all the
supplements free. Why not? It's great advertising if this guy succeeds.

You need a strong stomach to look at these pics.... and this is after he
lost 400 lbs!

http://www.symbianize.com/showthread.php?p=130774

--
JK Sinrod
www.SinrodStudios.com
www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com