Maps and. And things.

"Dave Larrington" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Those who indulge in Audax rides and similar perversions will doubtless be
aware of the need to have navigational information readily available.
"Aha!", I said. "To facilitate this, I shall buy an Ortlieb map case!"

So

Quoted message said:

I did.

However, when reclined at one's ease inna-Dark-Side-tricycular-stylee,
errant gusts of wind - either from windmills or one's own movement through
the air - tend to cause the thing to blow up into one's face. This is
especially alarming when doing 70 km/h down one of those three-ply roads
which resemble a whitewater canoe course in every aspect except colour.

So, does The Panel have any useful suggestions as to:

a) how to discipline an errant Ortlieb map wossname, or
b) otherwise carry maps and route sheets such that they may be easily
consulted on the move

???

Ride a proper bike, not a mobile deck chair.

:~)

Dave Larrington said:

Those who indulge in Audax rides and similar perversions will doubtless be
aware of the need to have navigational information readily available.
"Aha!", I said. "To facilitate this, I shall buy an Ortlieb map case!" So
I did.

However, when reclined at one's ease inna-Dark-Side-tricycular-stylee,
errant gusts of wind - either from windmills or one's own movement through
the air - tend to cause the thing to blow up into one's face. This is
especially alarming when doing 70 km/h down one of those three-ply roads
which resemble a whitewater canoe course in every aspect except colour.

So, does The Panel have any useful suggestions as to:

a) how to discipline an errant Ortlieb map wossname, or
b) otherwise carry maps and route sheets such that they may be easily
consulted on the move

???

Would clothing pegs work?

Chris

Chris Heys said:

Would clothing pegs work?

Chris

Or a long, flat lead weight in the bottom of the map holder?

"Dave Larrington" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Those who indulge in Audax rides and similar perversions will doubtless be
aware of the need to have navigational information readily available.
"Aha!", I said. "To facilitate this, I shall buy an Ortlieb map case!"
So
I did.

However, when reclined at one's ease inna-Dark-Side-tricycular-stylee,
errant gusts of wind - either from windmills or one's own movement through
the air - tend to cause the thing to blow up into one's face. This is
especially alarming when doing 70 km/h down one of those three-ply roads
which resemble a whitewater canoe course in every aspect except colour.

So, does The Panel have any useful suggestions as to:

a) how to discipline an errant Ortlieb map wossname, or
b) otherwise carry maps and route sheets such that they may be easily
consulted on the move

???

Try putting one arm through thoe cord so that the cord goes round the neck
and under the arm. It can't blow in your face if you do that

Quoted message said:

--

Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/
World Domination?
Just find a world that's into that kind of thing, then chain to the floor
and walk up and down on it in high heels. (Mr. Sunshine)

Dave Larrington said:

So, does The Panel have any useful suggestions as to:

Quoted message said:

a) how to discipline an errant Ortlieb map wossname,

Self-adhesive velcro patches, one on the rear of the case, another
somewhere at belt height ...

James Thomson

Simonb said:

Chris Heys said:

Would clothing pegs work?

Or a long, flat lead weight in the bottom of the map holder?

The perfect bit of kit for a long distance cyclist - a big lead weight.
:-)

Anyway, if it didn't work it wouldn't just be a map case flying up into
Dave's face and smiting him mightily, it would be a map case with a big
lead weight in it.

--
Dave...

On 17/1/05 12:44 pm, in article [email hidden], "bob

watkinson said:

Try putting one arm through thoe cord so that the cord goes round the neck
and under the arm. It can't blow in your face if you do that

Yes it can...

Put the thing in the panniers.

Tatoo the route map on your upper thigh (upside down) or tape it inside your
forearm (again upside down).

Alternatively write it backwards across your chest and use a helmet mounted
mirror (or steering column mounted mirror for OSS) to read it.

...d

Dave Larrington said:

So, does The Panel have any useful suggestions as to:

a) how to discipline an errant Ortlieb map wossname, or
b) otherwise carry maps and route sheets such that they may be easily
consulted on the move

Perhaps to borrow an idea from fighter pilots et al. To have the map
in a case on the front of your thigh.

It will, of course, be easier to read whilst coasting; but I can't
help feeling that nodding your head in time to your pedalling will at
least be a conversation point, even if it is sub-optimal at letting
you read the map.

Al C-F said:

Perhaps to borrow an idea from fighter pilots et al. To have the map
in a case on the front of your thigh.

Nearly, I strap mine to my forearm with a couple of elastic bands. Makes
reading the map as easy as reading your watch

Tony

Nigel Cliffe said:

( I'm mostly of the "if map isn't to hand, map owner has tendency to get
lost due to not consulting map" school of navigation. There is an
alternative school which puts map in rucksac and consults it less
frequently ).

I prefer the first as a way of not getting lost, but rather than bugger
about with bits of string I find it preferable to keep the map in my
hand /and keep my thumb on my approximate position/. This way, as soon
as you bring it up you know where you were last and with only a minor
correction you can update. I got that trick out of "Mountain Navigation
for Runners" by Martin Bagness, but it works for walkers too.

Second method is actually okay most of the time on things like roads,
but not having to excavate does make a useful difference.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Danny Colyer said:

JLB said:

Quoted message said:

Having it clipped onto my Ortlieb bar bag works for me.

to which Dave Larrington responded:

Quoted message said:

Which then begs the question of how to attach the said bar bag to the
machine in question...

I imagine it would be possible somehow to mount it to the top of the
rack, and I believe you use a glasses mounted mirror, so you just need
to adjust the mirror to look at the top of the rack ;-)

I only use a glasses-mounted mirror on two wheels thobut...

--

Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/
World Domination?
Just find a world that's into that kind of thing, then chain to the
floor and walk up and down on it in high heels. (Mr. Sunshine)

Dave Larrington' of BHPC said:

Those who indulge in Audax rides and similar perversions will doubtless be
aware of the need to have navigational information readily available.
"Aha!", I said. "To facilitate this, I shall buy an Ortlieb map case!" So
I did.

Next time buy the Ortlieb case with holes in all four corners and use one
cord around neck, one around back of the waist. Shortening the waist cord
will keep it firmly secured to your person without flapping room, and
provide substantial additional windproofing.
--
Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want.
H. L. Mencken, American journalist
Steph Peters delete invalid from [email hidden]
Tatting, lace & stitching page <http://www.sandbenders.demon.co.uk/index.htm>

Steph Peters said:

Next time buy the Ortlieb case with holes in all four corners and use
one cord around neck, one around back of the waist. Shortening the
waist cord will keep it firmly secured to your person without
flapping room, and provide substantial additional windproofing.

It /has/ got holes in all four corners, but the clips on the lanyards seem
to be reluctant to stay attached to said holes in relative wind speeds above
force 2. I have a couple of Karrimor webbing straps with industrial
strength clips, which will be tested next time out.

--

Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/
World Domination?
Just find a world that's into that kind of thing, then chain to the
floor and walk up and down on it in high heels. (Mr. Sunshine)

Dave Larrington' of BHPC said:

Steph Peters said:

Next time buy the Ortlieb case with holes in all four corners and use
one cord around neck, one around back of the waist. Shortening the
waist cord will keep it firmly secured to your person without
flapping room, and provide substantial additional windproofing.

It /has/ got holes in all four corners, but the clips on the lanyards seem
to be reluctant to stay attached to said holes in relative wind speeds above
force 2. I have a couple of Karrimor webbing straps with industrial
strength clips, which will be tested next time out.

Try a different cord arrangement then. Find one of the little plastic
dooberries used to shorten and lengthen cords like on the bottom of a
jacket, the sort that has two holes. Put this in the middle of a long cord.
Tie each end of the cord into the case corners so they can't come out, then
use the shortener to make a loop of the spare cord at the back of your
waist. I'd think it would be windproof.
--
Some authors should be paid by the quantity NOT written.
Steph Peters delete invalid from [email hidden]
Tatting, lace & stitching page <http://www.sandbenders.demon.co.uk/index.htm>

Steph Peters said:

"Dave Larrington" <[email hidden]> of BHPC wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It /has/ got holes in all four corners, but the clips on the
lanyards seem to be reluctant to stay attached to said holes in
relative wind speeds above force 2. I have a couple of Karrimor
webbing straps with industrial strength clips, which will be tested
next time out.

How about using elastic instead of string - that way you can sort of
step into it so that it us upside down round your waist. You'll look
mighty silly off the bike but it should work OK sitting down, you might
get a yucky sweaty patch though. I
personally have a small pocket sewed to the back of my seat that I just
tuck my bit of map back into when I've finished with it (using laminated
road atlas pages rather than expensive 1:50k's). A more elegant solution
is a bike mounted GPS, I have a Garmin GPSMap76 which does me very
nicely... if i can be bothered to program the route beforehand. I am
using it less and less because I discovered I actually rather like just
making things up as I go along and getting lost!

Alex