Marco Pantani: The Legend of a Tragic Champion

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Marco Pantani: The Legend Of A Tragic Champion
By John Wilcockson & Graham Watson

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1931382654/ref=ase_veluninc/00
2-4848737-1594426?v=glance&s=books

Marco Pantani won the Tour de France and Giro d'Italia in the same year,
1998, a feat previously achieved only by giants of the sport like Eddy
Merckx, Fausto Coppi, and Miguel Indurain. The master cyclist was also a
victim of the drug culture of pro cycling, eventually sinking into a deep
depression and dying alone in a hotel room on Valentine's Day 2004. This
book chronicles the highs and lows of Pantani's life and cycling career
through the words of leading American and European sportswriters, and it
includes candid color shots of Pantani in action by renowned sports
photographer Graham Watson.



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> Marco Pantani won the Tour de France and Giro d'Italia in the same year,
> 1998,

are there pics, in the book, of the juice that made this possible?
 
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:02:58 GMT, Callistus Valerius wrote:
> are there pics, in the book, of the juice that made this possible?

All pages are as white as the snow on the mountains on which he shone,
the snow that made him happy one last time, and the bright star on which
he rests now.


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"Callistus Valerius" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
news:[email protected]...
> > Marco Pantani won the Tour de France and Giro d'Italia in the same year,
> > 1998,
>
> are there pics, in the book, of the juice that made this possible?
>
>

I don't get it. They all used EPO then (and still do perhaps), and I don't
see what makes Pantani fundamentally worse than any other. There's no
indication that he was a negative exception. I mean, Voet told that Virenque
was interested in anything that could give him an advantage, while the
impression I get about Pantani is that he used doping because it was in a
sense obligatory. Without EPO, we'd never have seen Pantani's talent.

Somehow I think some people just don't want to see how good Pantani actually
was, and think they can belittle his achievements by always mentioning the
doping. That doesn't seem fair; it's as if different standards are used when
someone is personally disliked (can't see why though; Pantani always struck
me as being a humble and friendly person, quite different from many other
riders).
 
http://www.guidobelcanto.be/videopantani.htm


The full TV program where the Flemish singer/travestite (and good cyclist
himself - although not in drag) Guido Belcanto tries to meet his idol
Pantani.

The overrated presentator has some rather lame and easy humor (among which a
Reservoir Dogs scene with Dave Bruylandts). But once on its way, with the
likeable Belcanto, it's rather OK.
 
Forget it, it's like talking to a brick wall. I'd expect some ****
like this elsewhere but here you'd think it might be different.

It's not even a matter of which parts are true or not but rather that
one would expect a little more respect for what may be the greatest
climber in the history of the sport. He clearly had mental health and
substance abuse problems which lead to his death.

Crapping on a dead guy who could stomp your ass with one leg chopped
off in a sport you claim to love makes you an asshole.

That line is long here.

Musashi


On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:02:52 +0100, "Jonathan v.d. Sluis"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"Callistus Valerius" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
>news:[email protected]...
>> > Marco Pantani won the Tour de France and Giro d'Italia in the same year,
>> > 1998,
>>
>> are there pics, in the book, of the juice that made this possible?
>>
>>
>
>I don't get it. They all used EPO then (and still do perhaps), and I don't
>see what makes Pantani fundamentally worse than any other. There's no
>indication that he was a negative exception. I mean, Voet told that Virenque
>was interested in anything that could give him an advantage, while the
>impression I get about Pantani is that he used doping because it was in a
>sense obligatory. Without EPO, we'd never have seen Pantani's talent.
>
>Somehow I think some people just don't want to see how good Pantani actually
>was, and think they can belittle his achievements by always mentioning the
>doping. That doesn't seem fair; it's as if different standards are used when
>someone is personally disliked (can't see why though; Pantani always struck
>me as being a humble and friendly person, quite different from many other
>riders).
>
 
In article <[email protected]>,
musashi <[email protected]> wrote:

> Forget it, it's like talking to a brick wall. I'd expect some ****
> like this elsewhere but here you'd think it might be different.
>
> It's not even a matter of which parts are true or not but rather that
> one would expect a little more respect for what may be the greatest
> climber in the history of the sport. He clearly had mental health and
> substance abuse problems which lead to his death.
>
> Crapping on a dead guy who could stomp your ass with one leg chopped
> off in a sport you claim to love makes you an asshole.
>
> That line is long here.
>
> Musashi

I hope you're referring to Callista Flackhart here, and not Jonathan.

> On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:02:52 +0100, "Jonathan v.d. Sluis"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >"Callistus Valerius" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> > Marco Pantani won the Tour de France and Giro d'Italia in the same year,
> >> > 1998,
> >>
> >> are there pics, in the book, of the juice that made this possible?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I don't get it. They all used EPO then (and still do perhaps), and I don't
> >see what makes Pantani fundamentally worse than any other. There's no
> >indication that he was a negative exception. I mean, Voet told that Virenque
> >was interested in anything that could give him an advantage, while the
> >impression I get about Pantani is that he used doping because it was in a
> >sense obligatory. Without EPO, we'd never have seen Pantani's talent.
> >
> >Somehow I think some people just don't want to see how good Pantani actually
> >was, and think they can belittle his achievements by always mentioning the
> >doping. That doesn't seem fair; it's as if different standards are used when
> >someone is personally disliked (can't see why though; Pantani always struck
> >me as being a humble and friendly person, quite different from many other
> >riders).

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Butter is love.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
 
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:34:58 -0800, Howard Kveck
<[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> musashi <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Forget it, it's like talking to a brick wall. I'd expect some ****
>> like this elsewhere but here you'd think it might be different.
>>
>> It's not even a matter of which parts are true or not but rather that
>> one would expect a little more respect for what may be the greatest
>> climber in the history of the sport. He clearly had mental health and
>> substance abuse problems which lead to his death.
>>
>> Crapping on a dead guy who could stomp your ass with one leg chopped
>> off in a sport you claim to love makes you an asshole.
>>
>> That line is long here.
>>
>> Musashi
>
> I hope you're referring to Callista Flackhart here, and not Jonathan.
>
>>

Of course I wasn't referring to Jonathan.

The "you" was referring to those, in general, who rag on Pantani so
disrespectfully. And Jonathan would not be in that group.

Musashi
 
musashi wrote:
>
> Of course I wasn't referring to Jonathan.
>
> The "you" was referring to those, in general, who rag on Pantani so
> disrespectfully. And Jonathan would not be in that group.
>
> Musashi



Dumbass -

What's disrespectful about ragging on a coke addict who would not stop
until it killed him?

That sort of behavior should be discouraged, not celebrated.

BTW, I'd guess that Musashi, were he alive today, wouldn't be too
thrilled about who's taken on his name.
take care and have a nice day,

K. Gringioni.
 
On 14 Jan 2005 20:05:54 -0800, "Kurgan Gringioni"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>musashi wrote:
>>
>> Of course I wasn't referring to Jonathan.
>>
>> The "you" was referring to those, in general, who rag on Pantani so
>> disrespectfully. And Jonathan would not be in that group.
>>
>> Musashi
>
>
>
>Dumbass -
>
>What's disrespectful about ragging on a coke addict who would not stop
>until it killed him?
>
>That sort of behavior should be discouraged, not celebrated.
>
>BTW, I'd guess that Musashi, were he alive today, wouldn't be too
>thrilled about who's taken on his name.
>take care and have a nice day,
>
>K. Gringioni.


****-sack-

If you don't know what's disrespectful about ragging on Marco Pantani
then it's no use explaining it to you. I'd say he paid the price for
his faults.

At least my name is real. Unlike "gringioni".

Put down your mothers underwear and go to bed.

Musashi
 
musashi wrote:
> >
> >What's disrespectful about ragging on a coke addict who would not
stop
> >until it killed him?
> >
> >That sort of behavior should be discouraged, not celebrated.
> >
> >BTW, I'd guess that Musashi, were he alive today, wouldn't be too
> >thrilled about who's taken on his name.
> >take care and have a nice day,
> >
> >K. Gringioni.
>
>
> ****-sack-
>
> If you don't know what's disrespectful about ragging on Marco Pantani
> then it's no use explaining it to you. I'd say he paid the price for
> his faults.


Dumbass -

Damn straight he did.

And such behavior should be discouraged. Hence the ragging.


> At least my name is real. Unlike "gringioni".
Oh ya, you're the "Sword Saint" all right. LOL!



K. Gringioni.
 
On 14 Jan 2005 20:30:16 -0800, "Kurgan Gringioni"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>musashi wrote:
>> >
>> >What's disrespectful about ragging on a coke addict who would not
>stop
>> >until it killed him?
>> >
>> >That sort of behavior should be discouraged, not celebrated.
>> >
>> >BTW, I'd guess that Musashi, were he alive today, wouldn't be too
>> >thrilled about who's taken on his name.
>> >take care and have a nice day,
>> >
>> >K. Gringioni.
>>
>>
>> ****-sack-
>>
>> If you don't know what's disrespectful about ragging on Marco Pantani
>> then it's no use explaining it to you. I'd say he paid the price for
>> his faults.
>
>
>Dumbass -
>
>Damn straight he did.
>
>And such behavior should be discouraged. Hence the ragging.
>
>
>> At least my name is real. Unlike "gringioni".
>Oh ya, you're the "Sword Saint" all right. LOL!
>
>
>
>K. Gringioni.


Cornhole-

Ok, thanks, hope you don't ever fk up or have a problem.


I guess everyone with the last name of Lincoln splits rails and is
honest.

What a dumbass.

And, since Gringioni isn't even a real name, let alone a real Italian
name, there isn't much left to say about you on that subject.

Musashi

Other Musashi information you might actually be able to use-
http://www.musashi-uk.co.uk/
 
On 01/17/2005 09:50 AM, in article
[email protected], "Musashi" <[email protected]>
wrote:

> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:57:21 -0500, Curtis L. Russell
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:55:31 -0500, musashi <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> And, since Gringioni isn't even a real name, let alone a real Italian
>>> name, there isn't much left to say about you on that subject.
>>
>> Next you're going to be telling us that Topo Gigio isn't a real name.
>> This would be upsetting.
>>
>> Curtis L. Russell
>> Odenton, MD (USA)
>> Just someone on two wheels...
>
>
> No, Gigio is a real name. Gringioni, however, is not.
>
> Musashi



Which just means that Chang doesn't have to pretend to be some ancient Asian
hero to make himself feel better.

He just needs to call you (and me, and everyone else) a dumbass.

I can live with that.



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Steven L. Sheffield wrote:
> On 01/17/2005 09:50 AM, in article
> [email protected], "Musashi"
<[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:57:21 -0500, Curtis L. Russell
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:55:31 -0500, musashi <[email protected]>
wrote:
> >>
> >>> And, since Gringioni isn't even a real name, let alone a real
Italian
> >>> name, there isn't much left to say about you on that subject.
> >>
> >> Next you're going to be telling us that Topo Gigio isn't a real
name.
> >> This would be upsetting.
> >>
> >> Curtis L. Russell
> >> Odenton, MD (USA)
> >> Just someone on two wheels...
> >
> >
> > No, Gigio is a real name. Gringioni, however, is not.
> >
> > Musashi
>
>
>
> Which just means that Chang doesn't have to pretend to be some
ancient Asian
> hero to make himself feel better.
>
> He just needs to call you (and me, and everyone else) a dumbass.
>
> I can live with that.




Dumbass -

thanks.

BTW, I am considering getting my real-life name legally changed to
Dumbass.



K. Gringioni.
 
"Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> Dumbass -
>
> thanks.
>
> BTW, I am considering getting my real-life name legally changed to
> Dumbass.
>

First name, last name, or will you just be known as Dumbass, a la Madonna,
LANCE, and Pele?

If you do, I would encourage you to get yourself on an election ballot to
see how many people would vote for a Dumbass without any campaigning.

Vote for the Dumbass!
 
Carl Sundquist wrote:
> "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >
> > Dumbass -
> >
> > thanks.
> >
> > BTW, I am considering getting my real-life name legally changed to
> > Dumbass.
> >
>
> First name, last name, or will you just be known as Dumbass, a la
Madonna,
> LANCE, and Pele?
>
> If you do, I would encourage you to get yourself on an election
ballot to
> see how many people would vote for a Dumbass without any campaigning.
>
> Vote for the Dumbass!



Dumbass -

Just the first name although I'd imagine the family might prefer it if
I leave the surname out altogether.

No way am I ever running for public office, unless they have the
California governer thing again where 100 people run. I was already RBR
Secretary of Offense and that was enough.


thanks,

D. Gringioni.
 
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