Maybe this is "good enough"

Meg Morgan said:

I have gone several weeks without any significant
progress... despite staying OP pretty well and exercising
religiously (6 times per week, cardio, weights, pilates,
yoga...) plus keeping up with two small children and a new
puppy....

All in all, I have lost about 40 pounds in 2 years, but
gained some back and I am still about 15 pounds over what
WW says I should be... I looked back in my book and two
years ago I was 25 pounds heavier, but 1 year ago, I was 12
pounds lighter! So I know I am capable of getting to goal,
I was only three pounds away this time last year! I'm just
tired of working at this and seeing teeny tiny losses (.2,
.4, .6) and then a big 2 pound gain (yesterday) that I
can't account for..I am only allowed 20 points, which is
very hard, even when I eat all the exercise points...Maybe
I should quit eating the exercise points (I limit myself to
4, even though I typically earn 6-8 on the days I work
out)....I don't know, I just always feel hungry...

On the other hand, I am almost 40 years old, can run an 8
minute mile, and wear between an 8 and a 10 (some 10s fit,
some are loose, some 8s fit, some are tight) so maybe this
is good enough? Would be nice to be able to wear all my
clothes....As Dr. Phil recommended, I threw away all my fat
clothes (anything bigger than a 10 for me) so I am afraid
of gaining more weight and having to buy clothes that are
bigger than my ideal...

I don't mean for this to be a whiny post, but I am
frustrated about not being able to succeed to the level I
want to, when so many people do....So, I guess what I am
asking is...one, what can I do to get to goal, any
suggestions? Or two, am I too hard on myself and should I
accept the fact that this is the best I can do, and work at
staying where I am..

As an aside, a friend suggested I switch to South Beach, I
started the book, but the thought of having to eliminate
any food, even for just two weeks kind of turns me off (all
that WW thinking is engrained in me!) Anyone have any luck
on SB? Insights would be welcomed and appreciated.!

You have done pretty well. Lost some weight and kept it
off. Don't knock it. Now you are on the last lap and
finding it tricky.

I can think of a few things you could try
1. after a long time in calorific deficit the body starts
adjusting. It becomes increasingly difficult to lose
weight. So change things up a bit. Eat more for three
weeks.Add quite a few points to your daily total. Make it
protein if you wish and make sure you do some exercise,
or even better weights. You may put on 3-4 pounds but
don't worry you know how to get it off. Then start again
as if it was the first time on WW

2. Try a different diet. South beach or Atkins sounds good.
Note that on atkins you are likely to lose 6-8 pounds of
water/glycogen as you enter ketosis. You will gain that
back when you come out of ketosis.

3. Try varying the points. Very low some days, quite high
other days. I've forgotten what the name is, but I'm sure
someone will chime in.

4. Accept as fact that this is as far as you can go for now.
How would you change your diet if this is what you
choose? You can always try again in a few months.

No guarantees with any of these options of course.

ray

--
rmnsuk
4/1/182

You don't say your age, height or weight. Your body MAY be
telling you that you are at the right weight. Just remember
that the WW standards don't work for everyone. Here's
another site that calculates your ideal weight based on

at your ideal weight and your body is telling you that.

"Meg Morgan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

(WHINE WARNING LOL)

When do you decide that what you have done is "good
enough"??/

I have gone several weeks without any significant
progress... despite staying OP pretty well and exercising
religiously (6 times per week,

cardio,

Quoted message said:

weights, pilates, yoga...) plus keeping up with two small
children and a

new

Quoted message said:

puppy....

All in all, I have lost about 40 pounds in 2 years, but
gained some back

and

Quoted message said:

I am still about 15 pounds over what WW says I should
be... I looked back

in

Quoted message said:

my book and two years ago I was 25 pounds heavier, but 1
year ago, I was

12

Quoted message said:

pounds lighter! So I know I am capable of getting to goal,
I was only

three

Quoted message said:

pounds away this time last year! I'm just tired of working
at this and seeing teeny tiny losses (.2, .4, .6) and then
a big 2 pound gain (yesterday) that I can't account for..I
am only allowed 20 points, which

is

Quoted message said:

very hard, even when I eat all the exercise points...Maybe
I should quit eating the exercise points (I limit myself
to 4, even though I typically earn 6-8 on the days I work
out)....I don't know, I just always feel hungry...

On the other hand, I am almost 40 years old, can run an 8
minute mile,

and

Quoted message said:

wear between an 8 and a 10 (some 10s fit, some are loose,
some 8s fit,

some

Quoted message said:

are tight) so maybe this is good enough? Would be nice to
be able to

wear

Quoted message said:

all my clothes....As Dr. Phil recommended, I threw away
all my fat clothes (anything bigger than a 10 for me) so I
am afraid of gaining more weight

and

Quoted message said:

having to buy clothes that are bigger than my ideal...

I don't mean for this to be a whiny post, but I am
frustrated about not being able to succeed to the level I
want to, when so many people

do....So,

Quoted message said:

I guess what I am asking is...one, what can I do to get to
goal, any suggestions? Or two, am I too hard on myself and
should I accept the fact that this is the best I can do,
and work at staying where I am..

As an aside, a friend suggested I switch to South Beach, I
started the

book,

Quoted message said:

but the thought of having to eliminate any food, even for
just two weeks kind of turns me off (all that WW thinking
is engrained in me!) Anyone

have

Quoted message said:

any luck on SB? Insights would be welcomed and
appreciated.!

Meg M

Meg:

I hear your frustration. Why don't you get your body fat
measured? If it is lower than 22% you can get a note from
your Dr. and stop. If it is higher than 22% you can see
if anyone here has any ideas on how you can lose the last
few pounds. I just went to Radio Shack and they had a
body fat measurer on the shelf and I measured my body fat
right there.

--

Cheers,

Connie Walsh

241.5/191.5/155 WNM 193.5/191.5/181.5 30 lbs to go
191.5/191.5/185

Meg Morgan said:

(WHINE WARNING LOL)

When do you decide that what you have done is "good
enough"??/

I have gone several weeks without any significant
progress... despite staying OP pretty well and exercising
religiously (6 times per week, cardio, weights, pilates,
yoga...) plus keeping up with two small children and a new
puppy....

All in all, I have lost about 40 pounds in 2 years, but
gained some back and I am still about 15 pounds over what
WW says I should be... I looked back in my book and two
years ago I was 25 pounds heavier, but 1 year ago, I was
12 pounds lighter! So I know I am capable of getting to
goal, I was only three pounds away this time last year!
I'm just tired of working at this and seeing teeny tiny
losses (.2, .4, .6) and then a big 2 pound gain
(yesterday) that I can't account for..I am only allowed 20
points, which is very hard, even when I eat all the
exercise points...Maybe I should quit eating the exercise
points (I limit myself to 4, even though I typically earn
6-8 on the days I work out)....I don't know, I just always
feel hungry...

On the other hand, I am almost 40 years old, can run an 8
minute mile, and wear between an 8 and a 10 (some 10s fit,
some are loose, some 8s fit, some are tight) so maybe this
is good enough? Would be nice to be able to wear all my
clothes....As Dr. Phil recommended, I threw away all my
fat clothes (anything bigger than a 10 for me) so I am
afraid of gaining more weight and having to buy clothes
that are bigger than my ideal...

I don't mean for this to be a whiny post, but I am
frustrated about not being able to succeed to the level I
want to, when so many people do....So, I guess what I am
asking is...one, what can I do to get to goal, any
suggestions? Or two, am I too hard on myself and should I
accept the fact that this is the best I can do, and work
at staying where I am..

As an aside, a friend suggested I switch to South Beach, I
started the book, but the thought of having to eliminate
any food, even for just two weeks kind of turns me off
(all that WW thinking is engrained in me!) Anyone have any
luck on SB? Insights would be welcomed and appreciated.!

Meg M

"ray miller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >

Quoted message said:

3. Try varying the points. Very low some days, quite high
other days. I've forgotten what the name is, but I'm
sure someone will chime in.

The Wendie plan?

stormpc.comwendie plan.htmOpen ↗

Anny

"Connie" <walshclan@nospam_primus.ca> wrote in message
news:408ADA23.40408@nospam_primus.ca...

Quoted message said:

Meg:

I hear your frustration. Why don't you get your body fat
measured? If it is lower than 22% you can get a note from
your Dr. and stop. If it is higher than 22% you can see
if anyone here has any ideas on how you can lose the last
few pounds. I just went to Radio Shack and they had a
body fat measurer on the shelf and I measured my body fat
right there.

For an online alternative, here's a web site that uses the
US Dept. of Defense formula for estimating body fat
percentage. It only requires a few simple circumference
measurements, and should be reasonably accurate for most
adults. One caution, however - use a fabric tape measure (I
used my carpenter's metal tape the first time I tried, and
it was COLD :-) ).

he.netprothd2.htmlOpen ↗

GG

Quoted message said:

--

Cheers,

Connie Walsh

241.5/191.5/155 WNM 193.5/191.5/181.5 30 lbs to go
191.5/191.5/185

Meg Morgan said:

(WHINE WARNING LOL)

When do you decide that what you have done is "good
enough"??/

I have gone several weeks without any significant
progress... despite staying OP pretty well and
exercising religiously (6 times per week,

cardio,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

weights, pilates, yoga...) plus keeping up with two
small children and a

new

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

puppy....

All in all, I have lost about 40 pounds in 2 years, but
gained some back

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I am still about 15 pounds over what WW says I should
be... I looked

back in

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

my book and two years ago I was 25 pounds heavier, but 1
year ago, I was

12

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

pounds lighter! So I know I am capable of getting to
goal, I was only

three

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

pounds away this time last year! I'm just tired of
working at this and seeing teeny tiny losses (.2, .4,
.6) and then a big 2 pound gain (yesterday) that I can't
account for..I am only allowed 20 points, which

is

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

very hard, even when I eat all the exercise
points...Maybe I should quit eating the exercise points
(I limit myself to 4, even though I typically earn 6-8
on the days I work out)....I don't know, I just always
feel hungry...

On the other hand, I am almost 40 years old, can run an
8 minute mile,

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

wear between an 8 and a 10 (some 10s fit, some are
loose, some 8s fit,

some

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

are tight) so maybe this is good enough? Would be nice
to be able to

wear

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

all my clothes....As Dr. Phil recommended, I threw away
all my fat

clothes

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(anything bigger than a 10 for me) so I am afraid of
gaining more weight

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

having to buy clothes that are bigger than my ideal...

I don't mean for this to be a whiny post, but I am
frustrated about not being able to succeed to the level
I want to, when so many people

do....So,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I guess what I am asking is...one, what can I do to get
to goal, any suggestions? Or two, am I too hard on
myself and should I accept the

fact

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that this is the best I can do, and work at staying
where I am..

As an aside, a friend suggested I switch to South Beach,
I started the

book,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

but the thought of having to eliminate any food, even
for just two weeks kind of turns me off (all that WW
thinking is engrained in me!) Anyone

have

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

any luck on SB? Insights would be welcomed and
appreciated.!

Meg M

Just for a test I did the tape measure estimate for body fat
percentage. I measured myself yesterday with an impedance
type measurer and got
34.1%. I did the US Dept of Defense formula and got 39%.
Seems like a big difference to me.

Connie

GaryG said:

"Connie" <walshclan@nospam_primus.ca> wrote in message
news:408ADA23.40408@nospam_primus.ca...

Quoted message said:

Meg:

I hear your frustration. Why don't you get your body fat
measured? If it is lower than 22% you can get a note from
your Dr. and stop. If it is higher than 22% you can see
if anyone here has any ideas on how you can lose the last
few pounds. I just went to Radio Shack and they had a
body fat measurer on the shelf and I measured my body fat
right there.

For an online alternative, here's a web site that uses the
US Dept. of Defense formula for estimating body fat
percentage. It only requires a few simple circumference
measurements, and should be reasonably accurate for most
adults. One caution, however - use a fabric tape measure
(I used my carpenter's metal tape the first time I tried,
and it was COLD :-) ).

he.netprothd2.htmlOpen ↗

GG

Quoted message said:

--

Cheers,

Connie Walsh

241.5/191.5/155 WNM 193.5/191.5/181.5 30 lbs to go
191.5/191.5/185

Meg Morgan said:

(WHINE WARNING LOL)

When do you decide that what you have done is "good
enough"??/

I have gone several weeks without any significant
progress... despite staying OP pretty well and exercising
religiously (6 times per week,

cardio,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

weights, pilates, yoga...) plus keeping up with two small
children and a

new

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

puppy....

All in all, I have lost about 40 pounds in 2 years, but
gained some back

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I am still about 15 pounds over what WW says I should
be... I looked

back in

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

my book and two years ago I was 25 pounds heavier, but 1
year ago, I was

12

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

pounds lighter! So I know I am capable of getting to
goal, I was only

three

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

pounds away this time last year! I'm just tired of
working at this and seeing teeny tiny losses (.2, .4, .6)
and then a big 2 pound gain (yesterday) that I can't
account for..I am only allowed 20 points, which

is

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

very hard, even when I eat all the exercise
points...Maybe I should quit eating the exercise points
(I limit myself to 4, even though I typically earn 6-8 on
the days I work out)....I don't know, I just always feel
hungry...

On the other hand, I am almost 40 years old, can run an 8
minute mile,

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

wear between an 8 and a 10 (some 10s fit, some are loose,
some 8s fit,

some

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

are tight) so maybe this is good enough? Would be nice to
be able to

wear

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

all my clothes....As Dr. Phil recommended, I threw away
all my fat

clothes

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(anything bigger than a 10 for me) so I am afraid of
gaining more weight

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

having to buy clothes that are bigger than my ideal...

I don't mean for this to be a whiny post, but I am
frustrated about not being able to succeed to the level I
want to, when so many people

do....So,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I guess what I am asking is...one, what can I do to get
to goal, any suggestions? Or two, am I too hard on myself
and should I accept the

fact

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that this is the best I can do, and work at staying
where I am..

As an aside, a friend suggested I switch to South Beach,
I started the

book,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

but the thought of having to eliminate any food, even for
just two weeks kind of turns me off (all that WW thinking
is engrained in me!) Anyone

have

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

any luck on SB? Insights would be welcomed and
appreciated.!

Meg M

--

Cheers,

Connie Walsh

34.1/1.1/155 WNM 193.5/191.5/181.5 30 lbs to go
191.5/191.5/185

On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 14:09:40 -0400, Connie

walshclan@nospam_primus.ca said:

Just for a test I did the tape measure estimate for body
fat percentage. I measured myself yesterday with an
impedance type measurer and got
34.1%. I did the US Dept of Defense formula and got 39%.
Seems like a big difference to me.

Sounds about right to me. last time I did it I got a
difference of about 3% and was astonished that they were so
close. I also did a caliper test and that was about 10% down
on the impedance test.

I don't think it matters which test you use so long as you
stick with the same test over time.

Ray
--
rmnsuk
273/197/182

I have no idea how accurate *this* program is. I've run
several different tests I've found on the internet, received
results ranging from 14% to 26%. Anyway, this website has an
excel program you can download to track your measurements. I
thought it was pretty neat (then again, what do I know!) -
just thought I'd pass it along in case anyone else was
curious. I'd be interested in hearing how these results
compare to your own readings.

kingspawn.home.att.netBodyFat.htmOpen ↗

Joyce

ray miller said:

On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 14:09:40 -0400, Connie

walshclan@nospam_primus.ca said:

Just for a test I did the tape measure estimate for body
fat percentage. I measured myself yesterday with an
impedance type measurer and got
34.1%. I did the US Dept of Defense formula and got 39%.
Seems like a big difference to me.

Sounds about right to me. last time I did it I got a
difference of about 3% and was astonished that they were so
close. I also did a caliper test and that was about 10%
down on the impedance test.

I don't think it matters which test you use so long as you
stick with the same test over time.

Ray

Sorry I have a Mac. I can't compare it with my measurements.

Connie

Joyce said:

I have no idea how accurate *this* program is. I've run
several different tests I've found on the internet,
received results ranging from 14% to 26%. Anyway, this
website has an excel program you can download to track
your measurements. I thought it was pretty neat (then
again, what do I know!) - just thought I'd pass it along
in case anyone else was curious. I'd be interested in
hearing how these results compare to your own readings.

kingspawn.home.att.netBodyFat.htmOpen ↗

Joyce

ray miller said:

On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 14:09:40 -0400, Connie

walshclan@nospam_primus.ca said:

Just for a test I did the tape measure estimate for body
fat percentage. I measured myself yesterday with an
impedance type measurer and got
34.1%. I did the US Dept of Defense formula and got 39%.
Seems like a big difference to me.

Sounds about right to me. last time I did it I got a
difference of about 3% and was astonished that they were
so close. I also did a caliper test and that was about 10%
down on the impedance test.

I don't think it matters which test you use so long as you
stick with the same test over time.

Ray

--

Cheers,

Connie Walsh

241.5/191.5/155 WNM 193.5/191.5/181.5 30 lbs to go
191.5/191.5/185

are you sure you are eating enough? have you gone and had a body fat test
done? good luck, Lee
Meg Morgan <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

(WHINE WARNING LOL)

When do you decide that what you have done is "good
enough"??/

I have gone several weeks without any significant
progress... despite staying OP pretty well and exercising
religiously (6 times per week,

cardio,

Quoted message said:

weights, pilates, yoga...) plus keeping up with two small
children and a

new

Quoted message said:

puppy....

All in all, I have lost about 40 pounds in 2 years, but
gained some back

and

Quoted message said:

I am still about 15 pounds over what WW says I should
be... I looked back

in

Quoted message said:

my book and two years ago I was 25 pounds heavier, but 1
year ago, I was

12

Quoted message said:

pounds lighter! So I know I am capable of getting to goal,
I was only

three

Quoted message said:

pounds away this time last year! I'm just tired of working
at this and seeing teeny tiny losses (.2, .4, .6) and then
a big 2 pound gain (yesterday) that I can't account for..I
am only allowed 20 points, which

is

Quoted message said:

very hard, even when I eat all the exercise points...Maybe
I should quit eating the exercise points (I limit myself
to 4, even though I typically earn 6-8 on the days I work
out)....I don't know, I just always feel hungry...

On the other hand, I am almost 40 years old, can run an 8
minute mile,

and

Quoted message said:

wear between an 8 and a 10 (some 10s fit, some are loose,
some 8s fit,

some

Quoted message said:

are tight) so maybe this is good enough? Would be nice to
be able to

wear

Quoted message said:

all my clothes....As Dr. Phil recommended, I threw away
all my fat clothes (anything bigger than a 10 for me) so I
am afraid of gaining more weight

and

Quoted message said:

having to buy clothes that are bigger than my ideal...

I don't mean for this to be a whiny post, but I am
frustrated about not being able to succeed to the level I
want to, when so many people

do....So,

Quoted message said:

I guess what I am asking is...one, what can I do to get to
goal, any suggestions? Or two, am I too hard on myself and
should I accept the fact that this is the best I can do,
and work at staying where I am..

As an aside, a friend suggested I switch to South Beach, I
started the

book,

Quoted message said:

but the thought of having to eliminate any food, even for
just two weeks kind of turns me off (all that WW thinking
is engrained in me!) Anyone

have

Quoted message said:

any luck on SB? Insights would be welcomed and
appreciated.!

Meg M

Thanks everybody for the ideas and support...My body fat is
around 26%, not too bad for someone my age (39 in
October)...I am 5'5 and weigh about 150, (I go from 148 to
152 on what seems like a daily basis) would love to be
around 140, but it may not happen. I'm thinking of going
back up to 22 points, when I dipped into the 140s I was so
excited so I immediately dropped down to 20 points, maybe I
shouldn't have...I have decided to stick it out, it's just
not happening fast enough.

Thanks,

meg

"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

are you sure you are eating enough? have you gone and had
a body fat test done? good luck, Lee Meg Morgan
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

(WHINE WARNING LOL)

When do you decide that what you have done is "good
enough"??/

I have gone several weeks without any significant
progress... despite staying OP pretty well and
exercising religiously (6 times per week,

cardio,

Quoted message said:

weights, pilates, yoga...) plus keeping up with two
small children and a

new

Quoted message said:

puppy....

All in all, I have lost about 40 pounds in 2 years, but
gained some back

and

Quoted message said:

I am still about 15 pounds over what WW says I should
be... I looked

back

Quoted message said:

in

Quoted message said:

my book and two years ago I was 25 pounds heavier, but 1
year ago, I was

12

Quoted message said:

pounds lighter! So I know I am capable of getting to
goal, I was only

three

Quoted message said:

pounds away this time last year! I'm just tired of
working at this and seeing teeny tiny losses (.2, .4,
.6) and then a big 2 pound gain (yesterday) that I can't
account for..I am only allowed 20 points, which

is

Quoted message said:

very hard, even when I eat all the exercise
points...Maybe I should quit eating the exercise points
(I limit myself to 4, even though I typically earn 6-8
on the days I work out)....I don't know, I just always
feel hungry...

On the other hand, I am almost 40 years old, can run an
8 minute mile,

and

Quoted message said:

wear between an 8 and a 10 (some 10s fit, some are
loose, some 8s fit,

some

Quoted message said:

are tight) so maybe this is good enough? Would be nice
to be able to

wear

Quoted message said:

all my clothes....As Dr. Phil recommended, I threw away
all my fat

clothes

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(anything bigger than a 10 for me) so I am afraid of
gaining more weight

and

Quoted message said:

having to buy clothes that are bigger than my ideal...

I don't mean for this to be a whiny post, but I am
frustrated about not being able to succeed to the level
I want to, when so many people

do....So,

Quoted message said:

I guess what I am asking is...one, what can I do to get
to goal, any suggestions? Or two, am I too hard on
myself and should I accept the

fact

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that this is the best I can do, and work at staying
where I am..

As an aside, a friend suggested I switch to South Beach,
I started the

book,

Quoted message said:

but the thought of having to eliminate any food, even
for just two weeks kind of turns me off (all that WW
thinking is engrained in me!) Anyone

have

Quoted message said:

any luck on SB? Insights would be welcomed and
appreciated.!

Meg M