McDonalds

It **IS** McDonald's fault, however, for hiding extra sodium
and fats in their products.

"hotmoon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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These attempts to blame McDonalds (or other fast food
restaurants) for some people's getting fat is
unbelievably stupid and irresponsible. First, people are
responsible for their own actions. Freedom and
responsibility are two sides of the same coin, and I
prefer to retain the freedom to order whatever I want and
not have some do-gooding moron tell me what to eat.
Secondly, you CAN get a balanced meal at McDonalds. Just
today I had a Big Mac with everything on it and a side
salad. I was perfectly happy with the nutritional value
of my lunch. If the public came in and they all asked for
salads, then McDonalds would provide it for them. It is
not McDonalds place to hold the hands of irresponsible
and stupid people and make them order balanced meals.
McDonalds has these massive salads (which I did not order
today). There is no law saying that a person cannot order
one of these salads. It is not McDonalds fault if salads
tend to be boring. It is not McDonalds fault if healthy
tends to be boring. If lots of people ordered these
massive salads, then McDonalds would provide more and
would probably raise the price.

I find it a threat to my way of life for stupid and
irresponsible people to blame someone else for the very
problems that they have brought upon themselves. These
idiots are as much a danger to the American way of life as
is Al Qaeda.

Indeed moderation is the key - shame that fast food is
responsible for the obesity in many countries. McDonalds
are also fighting back with their healthy menus. I don't
think it will make much difference though - people want
taste. Anth

"hotmoon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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These attempts to blame McDonalds (or other fast food
restaurants) for some people's getting fat is
unbelievably stupid and irresponsible. First, people are
responsible for their own actions. Freedom and
responsibility are two sides of the same coin, and I
prefer to retain the freedom to order whatever I want and
not have some do-gooding moron tell me what to eat.
Secondly, you CAN get a balanced meal at McDonalds. Just
today I had a Big Mac with everything on it and a side
salad. I was perfectly happy with the nutritional value
of my lunch. If the public came in and they all asked for
salads, then McDonalds would provide it for them. It is
not McDonalds place to hold the hands of irresponsible
and stupid people and make them order balanced meals.
McDonalds has these massive salads (which I did not order
today). There is no law saying that a person cannot order
one of these salads. It is not McDonalds fault if salads
tend to be boring. It is not McDonalds fault if healthy
tends to be boring. If lots of people ordered these
massive salads, then McDonalds would provide more and
would probably raise the price.

I find it a threat to my way of life for stupid and
irresponsible people to blame someone else for the very
problems that they have brought upon themselves. These
idiots are as much a danger to the American way of life as
is Al Qaeda.

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It **IS** McDonald's fault, however, for hiding extra
sodium and fats in their products.

Would you like to super-size that?

carabelli

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Indeed moderation is the key - shame that fast food is
responsible for the obesity in many countries.
McDonalds are also fighting back with their healthy
menus. I don't think it will make much difference
though - people want taste.

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And people do not want to exercise. They want a magic pill
or herb to "melt" their fat away.

Kim

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"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Indeed moderation is the key - shame that fast food is
responsible for

the

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obesity in many countries. McDonalds are also fighting
back with their healthy menus. I don't think it will
make much difference though - people want taste.

====================
And people do not want to exercise. They want a magic pill
or herb to "melt" their fat away.

Exactly! Eating a proper diet is just too hard for
most people and they skip right to the fast foods and
ready mades.

Our family table provides a variety during the
week...several different vegetables, chicken, lots of fish,
some beef, and my own, award winning, vegetable lasagna.

We also exercise. I walk a mile to work, walk home for the
afternoon school bus, and back to the office on foot. I do
this regardless of the weather. With this regimen, I get in
4 brisk one mile walks a day, at a minimum. We often walk in
the evenings or jog behind my son's wheelchair when he does
his laps at our school's track.

Exercise opportunities are there, if you look for them.

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"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Indeed moderation is the key - shame that fast food is
responsible for

the

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obesity in many countries. McDonalds are also fighting
back with their healthy menus. I don't think it will
make much difference though - people want taste.

====================
And people do not want to exercise. They want a magic pill
or herb to "melt" their fat away.

Exactly! Eating a proper diet is just too hard for
most people and they skip right to the fast foods and
ready mades.

Our family table provides a variety during the
week...several different vegetables, chicken, lots of fish,
some beef, and my own, award winning, vegetable lasagna.

We also exercise. I walk a mile to work, walk home for the
afternoon school bus, and back to the office on foot. I do
this regardless of the weather. With this regimen, I get in
4 brisk one mile walks a day, at a minimum. We often walk in
the evenings or jog behind my son's wheelchair when he does
his laps at our school's track.

Exercise opportunities are there, if you look for them.

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"Mark Probert-March 11, 2004" <Mark Probert03-11-
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Exercise opportunities are there, if you look for them.
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That's a nice amount of exercise. I wish there was a safe
place I could walk, here where I live. Most people think
rural areas are safe. Think again! Fortunately I am not
obese but must watch everything I eat or soon would be.

Kim

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"Mark Probert-March 11, 2004" <Mark Probert03-11-
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Exercise opportunities are there, if you look for them.
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That's a nice amount of exercise. I wish there was a safe
place I could walk, here where I live. Most people think
rural areas are safe. Think again! Fortunately I am not
obese but must watch everything I eat or soon would be.

Kim

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"Mark Probert-March 11, 2004" <Mark Probert03-11-
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wrote

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in message news:eZ04c.6073> Exercise opportunities are
there, if you look for them.
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That's a nice amount of exercise. I wish there was a safe
place I could walk, here where I live. Most people think
rural areas are safe.

You do have to watch out for bear....

Think

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again! Fortunately I am not obese but must watch
everything I eat or

soon

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would be.

On another group, we were discussing exercise for those who
cannot walk. My son works out seven days a week, to one
degree or another. Some are just limbering up, others are
for strngth building. He does aerobic daily. And, all
without the use of his legs.

Quick fixes such as a magic pill and blaming others for
one's own shortcomings is all the rage these days. I think
its not only irresponsible but down right stupid for people
to blame fast food for their health. Note to person sucking
down Big Macs: you made the choice to eat them now you have
to live with the consequences.

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"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Indeed moderation is the key - shame that fast food is
responsible for the obesity in many countries. McDonalds
are also fighting back with their healthy menus. I don't
think it will make much difference though - people want
taste.

====================
And people do not want to exercise. They want a magic pill
or herb to "melt" their fat away.

Kim

How much coffee and/or tobacco do you consume per day?

And do you think the marketing boards of these products have
not promoted them to create a desirable image of their
products, encouraged you from harming yourself with them, or
not added extra ingredients to make sure you come back due
to addiction?

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Quick fixes such as a magic pill and blaming others for
one's own shortcomings is all the rage these days. I think
its not only irresponsible but down right stupid for
people to blame fast food for their health. Note to person
sucking down Big Macs: you made the choice to eat them now
you have to live with the consequences.

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"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Indeed moderation is the key - shame that fast food is
responsible for

the

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obesity in many countries. McDonalds are also fighting
back with their healthy menus. I don't think it will
make much difference though - people want taste.

====================
And people do not want to exercise. They want a magic
pill or herb to "melt" their fat away.

Kim

"Mark Probert-March 11, 2004" <Mark [email hidden]> wrote
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"Kim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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That's a nice amount of exercise. I wish there was a
safe place I could walk, here where I live. Most people
think rural areas are safe.

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You do have to watch out for bear....

We don't have bears here but do have rabid skunks and wild
dogs. I fear these wild dogs more than skunks or the
occasional rapist. After a friends daughter was pulled off
her horse and raped by 3 men I stopped walking around the
lake and other isolated places. They never caught the men.
She was only 16 years old.

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Think

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again! Fortunately I am not obese but must watch
everything I eat or

soon

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would be.

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On another group, we were discussing exercise for those
who cannot walk.

My

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son works out seven days a week, to one degree or another.
Some are just limbering up, others are for strngth
building. He does aerobic daily. And, all without the use
of his legs.

That's fantastic. Males do seem to enjoy working out so much
more than us women. I was going to the gym in town for
almost a year but the tedium and boredom were more than I
could handle. I only lose 2 lbs during all those months.
Working out does nothing for weight loss I found. There were
almost all men there as well. I was never comfortable. With
summer coming I'll be working outside in the yard almost
every day. I will also continue to watch everything I eat.

Kim

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Quick fixes such as a magic pill and blaming others for
one's own shortcomings is all the rage these days. I think
its not only irresponsible but down right stupid for
people to blame fast food for their health. Note to person
sucking down Big Macs: you made the choice to eat them now
you have to live with the consequences.

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I agree it is their own fault. Even Wal-Mart has cheap books
on dieting and calorie counting. If they're too poor to
purchase a few books they can visit their local library.
There is no reason for people to reach levels of obesity
that cost them their health and often their lives. Just take
a look at the foods in the shopping carts around you the
next time you're at the grocery store. You'll see large
amounts of cookies, cake, pies, frozen pizzas, chips, soda,
crackers .... foods that should be considered rare snacks
seem to be many people's main dish these days. Don't these
people have TV? All Americans have to have some basic idea
of a healthy diet. You wont see many fresh vegetables,
fruit, fish and other healthy foods in their carts. The fast
food restaurants here are doing a rip-roaring business. Each
meal they serve has enough calories to supply a 6' ditch
digger his whole days supply of energy. Whatever happened to
portion control? The obesity rate in my area runs over 50%.
That's not including those overweight and on their way to
obesity. Our children are also overweight and diabetes is
skyrocketing. The stores now have those electric carts for
the disabled and hugely obese who can barely walk. They're
almost always utilized by an morbidly obese person. It's a
sad situation.

Kim

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"Gymmy Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:R_2dnSqmgf_hcM3dRVn-
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How much coffee and/or tobacco do you consume per day?

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I love coffee, and until someone proves it's dangerous will
continue to enjoy it. I don't smoke.

Kim

Kim said:

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I love coffee, and until someone proves it's dangerous will
continue to enjoy it. I don't smoke.

Kim

Smoking coffee is not recommended.

Roasting is the preferred method.

W_B

Yes, we notice that distressingly when we last visited
Florida that half the people there were extremely obese
to the point of barely being able to walk. We have the
odd person in the northern country that is really obese
but I have never seen anybody as disabled as half the
people there.

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"becky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quick fixes such as a magic pill and blaming others for
one's own shortcomings is all the rage these days. I
think its not only irresponsible but down right stupid
for people to blame fast food for their health. Note to
person sucking down Big Macs: you made the choice to eat
them now you have to live with the consequences.

---------------------------------------
I agree it is their own fault. Even Wal-Mart has cheap
books on dieting

and

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calorie counting. If they're too poor to purchase a few
books they can visit their local library. There is no
reason for people to reach levels

of

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obesity that cost them their health and often their lives.
Just take a look at the foods in the shopping carts around
you the next time you're at the grocery store. You'll see
large amounts of cookies, cake, pies,

frozen

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pizzas, chips, soda, crackers .... foods that should be
considered rare snacks seem to be many people's main dish
these days. Don't these people have TV? All Americans have
to have some basic idea of a healthy diet.

You

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wont see many fresh vegetables, fruit, fish and other
healthy foods in

their

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carts. The fast food restaurants here are doing a rip-
roaring business. Each meal they serve has enough calories
to supply a 6' ditch digger his whole days supply of
energy. Whatever happened to portion control? The obesity
rate in my area runs over 50%. That's not including those
overweight and on their way to obesity. Our children are
also overweight and diabetes is skyrocketing. The stores
now have those electric carts

for

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the disabled and hugely obese who can barely walk. They're
almost always utilized by an morbidly obese person. It's a
sad situation.

Kim

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not including those overweight and on their way to
obesity. Our children are also overweight and diabetes is
skyrocketing. The stores

Be careful there. If you're talking about the US, only 15%
of our children (that is, 3 out of 20) are overweight. It's
true that the *relative* increase in overweight is rather
alarming, but it's an increase from a rather small baseline.
In fact, the proportion of children who are dieting exceeds
the proportion of our children who are overweight.

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"Kim" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:UZudnRvgk_mNnszdRVn-
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not including those overweight and on their way to
obesity. Our children are also overweight and diabetes
is skyrocketing. The stores

Be careful there. If you're talking about the US, only
15% of our

children

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(that is, 3 out of 20) are overweight.

Only 15%? Are you talking obesity or just being overweight?
I saw a show on TV claiming 40% (another show claimed 50%)
are now overweight or above their ideal weight. These kids
are at risk. I don't remember the % already obese or
dangerously obese. Look at the rate of child obesity in The
Bronx NY for example. Especially among the Hispanic
population. Diabetes there is more and more common each
year, in fact they called it an epidemic. The NY News
covered this issue just a few months ago. Children as young
as 7 and 8 are developing adult onset diabetes in never
before seen numbers. It's increasing in the children where I
live as well. Our local News is constantly talking about the
obesity/overweight problem in my state.

It's true that the *relative*

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increase in overweight is rather alarming, but it's an
increase from a rather small baseline. In fact, the
proportion of children who are

dieting

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exceeds the proportion of our children who are overweight.

Lets hope the dieting works! Diabetes can be a killer and
crippler. Children should not be put at risk because of
their diets and lack of exercise. I believe too many working
mothers are taking the easy way out with TV/PC baby-sitters
and super-sized fast food meals.
--
Kim Please note, I don't wish to get involved in any
personal conflicts between the posters here. I'm simply
looking for answers.
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These attempts to blame McDonalds (or other fast food
restaurants) for some people's getting fat is unbelievably
stupid and irresponsible.

The advertising is aimed at young children who are
vunerable.

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First, people are responsible for their own actions.

Advertising bombards peoples brians

Freedom and

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responsibility are two sides of the same coin, and I
prefer to retain the freedom to order whatever I want and
not have some do-gooding moron tell me what to eat.
Secondly, you CAN get a balanced meal at McDonalds. Just
today I had a Big Mac with everything on it

So that was your daily fat allowance. Now you can eat no
more fat for the day I bet you went over your daily limit

and a

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side salad. I was perfectly happy with the nutritional
value of my lunch. If the public came in and they all
asked for salads, then McDonalds would provide it for
them. It is not McDonalds place to hold the hands of
irresponsible and stupid people and make them order
balanced meals.

Their ads brainwash children, who scream to the parents to
take them there.

McDonalds has these massive salads (which I did not

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order today). There is no law saying that a person cannot
order one of these salads.

Then eat tons of 'dressing'? It is full of fat and disrupts
proper digestion.

It is not McDonalds fault if salads tend to be

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boring. It is not McDonalds fault if healthy tends to be
boring. If lots of people ordered these massive salads,
then McDonalds would provide more and would probably raise
the price.

Price. ah yes. price Cheap food = high fat content