Meat eating = higher mortality

Posting this info after an interval of some weeks makes no
better support of your thesis, using it, your thesis is
clearly not supported still, sorry again.

Only in your dreams. Almost ..EVERY.. article you post
contridicts your thesis that iron,from meat, is ..THE..
singular cause of disease/disorders. Even if you post and
repost articles which happen to have "meat" or any of the
other search terms you use everyday, adding all of them in
one pot does ..NOT.. add up to a hill of discarded bones.
They in their collictve content disprove your thesis. But if
one only has a (iron) hammer, everything looks like a nail
and every action is to shoehorn info into a failed thesis.
This self abuse must wear on one after a time.

Quoted message said:

These simple two articles show clearly .. meat eating
increases death ..

<<snip>> People with high serum GGT have higher
mortality <<snip>>

Crit Rev Clin Lab Sci. 2001 Aug;38(4):263-355. Related
Articles, Links

Gamma glutamyl transferase.

Whitfield JB.

Department of Clinical Biochemistry, Royal Prince Alfred
Hospital, and University of Sydney, NSW, Australia.
[email hidden]

Serum gamma-glutamyl transferase (GGT) has been widely used
as an index of liver dysfunction and marker of alcohol
intake. The last few years have seen improvements in these
areas and advances in understanding of its physiological
role in counteracting oxidative stress by breaking down
extracellular glutathione and making its component amino
acids available to the cells. Conditions that increase
serum GGT, such as obstructive liver disease, high alcohol
consumption, and use of enzyme-inducing drugs, lead to
increased free radical production and the threat of
glutathione depletion. However, the products of the GGT
reaction may themselves lead to increased free radical
production, particularly in the presence of iron. There
have also been important advances in the definition of the
associations between serum GGT and risk of coronary heart
disease, Type 2 diabetes, and stroke. People with high
serum GGT have higher mortality, partly because of the
association between GGT and other risk factors and partly
because GGT is an independent predictor of risk. This
review aims to summarize the knowledge about GGT's clinical
applications, to present information on its physiological
roles, consider the results of epidemiological studies, and
assess how far these separate areas can be combined into an
integrated view.

Publication Types: Review Review, Academic

PMID: 11563810 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

-----------------------------------------------------------
---------------
------

<<snip>> dietary heme iron, but not saturated fat, was
associated with GGT <<snip>>

Am J Clin Nutr. 2004 Apr;79(4):600-5. Links

Association between serum gamma-glutamyltransferase and
dietary factors: the Coronary Artery Risk Development in
Young Adults (CARDIA) Study.

Lee DH, Steffen LM, Jacobs DR Jr.

Division of Epidemiology, School of Public Health,
University of Minnesota, Minneapolis (D-HL, LMS, and DRJ).

BACKGROUND: Diet may be involved in the strong dose-
response relation of gamma-glutamyltransferase (GGT)
concentration with incident diabetes. OBJECTIVE: We
examined dietary correlates of serum GGT activity. DESIGN:
Study subjects were 3146 black and white men and women aged
17-35 y in 1985-1986. A diet history was taken at years 0
and 7. Food items were classified into alcohol; breaded,
battered, or canned vegetables; fruit; fruit juice; refined
grain; whole grain; dairy; legumes; meat; poultry; fish;
fresh or frozen vegetables; nuts; and coffee. RESULTS:
After adjustment for nondietary factors and other food
groups, GGT was positively associated with alcohol
consumption and meat intake. Geometric means of year 10 GGT
across categories of alcohol consumption (0, 1-9, 10-19,
20-29, and >/==" BORDER="0"> 30 g/d) were 17.7,
18.8, 20.4, 21.8, and 24.8 U/L (P for trend < 0.01);
corresponding means across quintiles of meat intake were
19.2, 20.2, 20.5, 21.8, and 21.2 times/wk (P for trend <
0.01). GGT was inversely associated with fruit intake.
Among possible meat constituents, dietary heme iron, but
not saturated fat, was associated with GGT. Dietary
constituents typical of plant foods showed an inverse
association. In contrast, vitamin supplements were
positively associated with GGT. CONCLUSIONS: Serum GGT
activity increased in a dose-response manner as alcohol
and meat consumption increased and fruit consumption
decreased. Heme iron contained in meats and
micronutrients contained in fruits may influence GGT
metabolism. However, micronutrients taken as supplements
had a positive association with GGT.

PMID: 15051603 [PubMed - in process]

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British researchers showed people with low iron stores have lower iq,
poorer cognative performance and other brain related deficits. If one
purposily reduces one's iron stores below a certain level, it is
reasonable to think their mental activities would likewise be affected.
See:

news.bbc.co.uknews.bbc.co.ukOpen ↗
864446.stm

Other related results can be seen in children:

Iron and Behavior

drgreene.com21 1692.htmlOpen ↗

How many deaths can one person have?

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Quoted message said:

These simple two articles show clearly .. meat eating
increases death ..

<<snip>> People with high serum GGT have higher mortality
<<snip>>

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Meat eating = higher mortality
From: [email hidden]
Date: 4/5/2004 12:10 PM Mountain Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Posting this info after an interval of some weeks makes no
better support of your thesis, using it, your thesis is
clearly not supported still, sorry again.

Listen dckhead .. if you cannot understand .. heme iron
equals .. GGT .. and GGT equals increased mortality .. then
.. you .. are .. OUT OF YOUR FKG LEAGUE ..

Too hard to understand .. ?

Must .. be ..

---------------------------------------------------------

These simple two articles show clearly .. meat eating
increases death ..

<<snip>> People with high serum GGT have higher
mortality <<snip>>

Crit Rev Clin Lab Sci. 2001 Aug;38(4):263-355. Related
Articles, Links

Gamma glutamyl transferase.

Whitfield JB.

Department of Clinical Biochemistry, Royal Prince Alfred
Hospital, and University of Sydney, NSW, Australia.
[email hidden]

Serum gamma-glutamyl transferase (GGT) has been widely used
as an index of liver dysfunction and marker of alcohol
intake. The last few years have seen improvements in these
areas and advances in understanding of its physiological
role in counteracting oxidative stress by breaking down
extracellular glutathione and making its component amino
acids available to the cells. Conditions that increase
serum GGT, such as obstructive liver disease, high alcohol
consumption, and use of enzyme-inducing drugs, lead to
increased free radical production and the threat of
glutathione depletion. However, the products of the GGT
reaction may themselves lead to increased free radical
production, particularly in the presence of iron. There
have also been important advances in the definition of the
associations between serum GGT and risk of coronary heart
disease, Type 2 diabetes, and stroke. People with high
serum GGT have higher mortality, partly because of the
association between GGT and other risk factors and partly
because GGT is an independent predictor of risk. This
review aims to summarize the knowledge about GGT's clinical
applications, to present information on its physiological
roles, consider the results of epidemiological studies, and
assess how far these separate areas can be combined into an
integrated view.

Publication Types: Review Review, Academic

PMID: 11563810 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

------------------------------------------------------------
--------------
------

<<snip>> dietary heme iron, but not saturated fat, was
associated with GGT <<snip>>

Am J Clin Nutr. 2004 Apr;79(4):600-5. Links

Association between serum gamma-glutamyltransferase and
dietary factors: the Coronary Artery Risk Development in
Young Adults (CARDIA) Study.

Lee DH, Steffen LM, Jacobs DR Jr.

Division of Epidemiology, School of Public Health,
University of Minnesota, Minneapolis (D-HL, LMS, and DRJ).

BACKGROUND: Diet may be involved in the strong dose-response
relation of gamma-glutamyltransferase (GGT) concentration
with incident diabetes. OBJECTIVE: We examined dietary
correlates of serum GGT activity. DESIGN: Study subjects
were 3146 black and white men and women aged 17-35 y in 1985-
1986. A diet history was taken at years 0 and 7. Food items
were classified into alcohol; breaded, battered, or canned
vegetables; fruit; fruit juice; refined grain; whole grain;
dairy; legumes; meat; poultry; fish; fresh or frozen
vegetables; nuts; and coffee. RESULTS: After adjustment for
nondietary factors and other food groups, GGT was positively
associated with alcohol consumption and meat intake.
Geometric means of year 10 GGT across categories of alcohol
consumption (0, 1-9, 10-19, 20-29, and >/==" BORDER="0"> 30
g/d) were 17.7,
18.8, 20.4, 21.8, and 24.8 U/L (P for trend < 0.01);
corresponding means across quintiles of meat intake were
19.2, 20.2, 20.5, 21.8, and 21.2 times/wk (P for trend <
0.01). GGT was inversely associated with fruit intake.
Among possible meat constituents, dietary heme iron, but
not saturated fat, was associated with GGT. Dietary
constituents typical of plant foods showed an inverse
association. In contrast, vitamin supplements were
positively associated with GGT. CONCLUSIONS: Serum GGT
activity increased in a dose-response manner as alcohol
and meat consumption increased and fruit consumption
decreased. Heme iron contained in meats and
micronutrients contained in fruits may influence GGT
metabolism. However, micronutrients taken as supplements
had a positive association with GGT.

PMID: 15051603 [PubMed - in process]

------------------------------------------------------------
--------------
------

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Quoted message said:

Subject: Low iron stores causes mental problems
From: [email hidden]
Date: 4/5/2004 3:07 PM Mountain Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

British researchers showed people with low iron stores have
lower iq, poorer cognative performance and other brain
related deficits. See:

news.bbc.co.uk8Open ↗
64446.stm

<<snip>> In serious cases, this can lead to anaemia <<snip>>

And it just so happens THOSE were the ones they chose to
study for .. cognition ..

So we have researchers stating those people with SERIOUS
anemia .. have mental problems ..

Quoted message said:

If one purposily reduces one's iron stores below a certain
level, it is reasonable to think their mental activities
would likewise be affected.

So .. your 'take' is .. if one reduces one's iron level INTO
.. serious .. anemia .. one is rendered .. slightly mentally
deficient ..

Du .. ah ..

Quoted message said:

Other related results can be seen in children:

Iron and Behavior

drgreene.com21 1692.htmlOpen ↗

Dv. Greene ..

Dw. Greene ..

Nope .. NEVER FRIGGIN HEARD OF HIM .. But I .. HAVE .. heard
of studies which show that what medical researchers believe
is iron deficiency is in fact .. NOT .. iron deficiency ..

So again .. you trot out .. WHAT .. ?

Some .. guy ..saying .. stuff ..

Real .. research ..

Keep it .. up ..

You are a .. boon ..
--------------------------------------------------

These simple two articles show clearly .. meat eating
increases death ..

<<snip>> People with high serum GGT have higher
mortality <<snip>>

Crit Rev Clin Lab Sci. 2001 Aug;38(4):263-355. Related
Articles, Links

Gamma glutamyl transferase.

Whitfield JB.

Department of Clinical Biochemistry, Royal Prince Alfred
Hospital, and University of Sydney, NSW, Australia.
[email hidden]

Serum gamma-glutamyl transferase (GGT) has been widely used
as an index of liver dysfunction and marker of alcohol
intake. The last few years have seen improvements in these
areas and advances in understanding of its physiological
role in counteracting oxidative stress by breaking down
extracellular glutathione and making its component amino
acids available to the cells. Conditions that increase
serum GGT, such as obstructive liver disease, high alcohol
consumption, and use of enzyme-inducing drugs, lead to
increased free radical production and the threat of
glutathione depletion. However, the products of the GGT
reaction may themselves lead to increased free radical
production, particularly in the presence of iron. There
have also been important advances in the definition of the
associations between serum GGT and risk of coronary heart
disease, Type 2 diabetes, and stroke. People with high
serum GGT have higher mortality, partly because of the
association between GGT and other risk factors and partly
because GGT is an independent predictor of risk. This
review aims to summarize the knowledge about GGT's clinical
applications, to present information on its physiological
roles, consider the results of epidemiological studies, and
assess how far these separate areas can be combined into an
integrated view.

Publication Types: Review Review, Academic

PMID: 11563810 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

------------------------------------------------------------
--------------
------

<<snip>> dietary heme iron, but not saturated fat, was
associated with GGT <<snip>>

Am J Clin Nutr. 2004 Apr;79(4):600-5. Links

Association between serum gamma-glutamyltransferase and
dietary factors: the Coronary Artery Risk Development in
Young Adults (CARDIA) Study.

Lee DH, Steffen LM, Jacobs DR Jr.

Division of Epidemiology, School of Public Health,
University of Minnesota, Minneapolis (D-HL, LMS, and DRJ).

BACKGROUND: Diet may be involved in the strong dose-response
relation of gamma-glutamyltransferase (GGT) concentration
with incident diabetes. OBJECTIVE: We examined dietary
correlates of serum GGT activity. DESIGN: Study subjects
were 3146 black and white men and women aged 17-35 y in 1985-
1986. A diet history was taken at years 0 and 7. Food items
were classified into alcohol; breaded, battered, or canned
vegetables; fruit; fruit juice; refined grain; whole grain;
dairy; legumes; meat; poultry; fish; fresh or frozen
vegetables; nuts; and coffee. RESULTS: After adjustment for
nondietary factors and other food groups, GGT was positively
associated with alcohol consumption and meat intake.
Geometric means of year 10 GGT across categories of alcohol
consumption (0, 1-9, 10-19, 20-29, and >/==" BORDER="0"> 30
g/d) were 17.7,
18.8, 20.4, 21.8, and 24.8 U/L (P for trend < 0.01);
corresponding means across quintiles of meat intake were
19.2, 20.2, 20.5, 21.8, and 21.2 times/wk (P for trend <
0.01). GGT was inversely associated with fruit intake.
Among possible meat constituents, dietary heme iron, but
not saturated fat, was associated with GGT. Dietary
constituents typical of plant foods showed an inverse
association. In contrast, vitamin supplements were
positively associated with GGT. CONCLUSIONS: Serum GGT
activity increased in a dose-response manner as alcohol
and meat consumption increased and fruit consumption
decreased. Heme iron contained in meats and
micronutrients contained in fruits may influence GGT
metabolism. However, micronutrients taken as supplements
had a positive association with GGT.

PMID: 15051603 [PubMed - in process]

------------------------------------------------------------
--------------
------

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No Tom, it actually said anemia, that means iron level in
this case, at any level poses mental problems. Is your
reading perception a bit foggy these days? The other artcle
said it poses lifelong problems for infants who are anemic,
a good part of the veggie alone folk around the world, which
is why it is the number one nutrition related problem. When
we lok at what actually happens in the real world, your
thesis is not supported, veggie alone eaters in s. asia have
the world's highest rates and climbing of diabetes and
associated heart disease etc. and are a direct, specific,
overwhelming large population example of the failure of your
thesis. Posting a thousand, nay ten thousand, nay ten
million abstracts about iron doesn't negate this reality,
doesn't support your thesis.

No Tom, the articles said with certain preexisting
disease/disorder conditions iron plays a role. Note the
chain of logic, disease/disorder already exist and then
iron. Iron didn't cause the preexisting condition, and as
pointed out to you before, the presence of iron is a
secondary effect of the presence of another substance. In
plain language, iron tends to be more the tail then the dog,
but in bio-systems many things are interrelated but some
have more effect then others; in this case the preexisting
conditions is the dog.

I've read both of these "studies". They both look pretty
tenuous, as far as supporting anything.

TC

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Quoted message said:

These simple two articles show clearly .. meat eating
increases death ..

<<snip>> People with high serum GGT have higher mortality
<<snip>>

Crit Rev Clin Lab Sci. 2001 Aug;38(4):263-355. Related
Articles, Links

Gamma glutamyl transferase.

Whitfield JB.

Department of Clinical Biochemistry, Royal Prince Alfred
Hospital, and University of Sydney, NSW, Australia.
[email hidden]

Serum gamma-glutamyl transferase (GGT) has been widely
used as an index of liver dysfunction and marker of
alcohol intake. The last few years have seen
improvements in these areas and advances in
understanding of its physiological role in counteracting
oxidative stress by breaking down extracellular
glutathione and making its component amino acids
available to the cells. Conditions that increase serum
GGT, such as obstructive liver disease, high alcohol
consumption, and use of enzyme-inducing drugs, lead to
increased free radical production and the threat of
glutathione depletion. However, the products of the GGT
reaction may themselves lead to increased free radical
production, particularly in the presence of iron. There
have also been important advances in the definition of
the associations between serum GGT and risk of coronary
heart disease, Type 2 diabetes, and stroke. People with
high serum GGT have higher mortality, partly because of
the association between GGT and other risk factors and
partly because GGT is an independent predictor of risk.
This review aims to summarize the knowledge about GGT's
clinical applications, to present information on its
physiological roles, consider the results of
epidemiological studies, and assess how far these
separate areas can be combined into an integrated view.

Publication Types: Review Review, Academic

PMID: 11563810 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

----------------------------------------------------------
----------------
------

<<snip>> dietary heme iron, but not saturated fat, was
associated with GGT <<snip>>

Am J Clin Nutr. 2004 Apr;79(4):600-5. Links

Association between serum gamma-glutamyltransferase and
dietary factors: the Coronary Artery Risk Development in
Young Adults (CARDIA) Study.

Lee DH, Steffen LM, Jacobs DR Jr.

Division of Epidemiology, School of Public Health,
University of Minnesota, Minneapolis (D-HL, LMS, and DRJ).

BACKGROUND: Diet may be involved in the strong dose-
response relation of gamma-glutamyltransferase (GGT)
concentration with incident diabetes. OBJECTIVE: We
examined dietary correlates of serum GGT activity.
DESIGN: Study subjects were 3146 black and white men and
women aged 17-35 y in 1985-1986. A diet history was taken
at years 0 and 7. Food items were classified into
alcohol; breaded, battered, or canned vegetables; fruit;
fruit juice; refined grain; whole grain; dairy; legumes;
meat; poultry; fish; fresh or frozen vegetables; nuts;
and coffee. RESULTS: After adjustment for nondietary
factors and other food groups, GGT was positively
associated with alcohol consumption and meat intake.
Geometric means of year 10 GGT across categories of
alcohol consumption (0, 1-9, 10-19, 20-29, and >/=="
BORDER="0"> 30 g/d) were 17.7,
18.8, 20.4, 21.8, and 24.8 U/L (P for trend < 0.01);
corresponding means across quintiles of meat intake
were 19.2, 20.2, 20.5, 21.8, and 21.2 times/wk (P for
trend < 0.01). GGT was inversely associated with fruit
intake. Among possible meat constituents, dietary heme
iron, but not saturated fat, was associated with GGT.
Dietary constituents typical of plant foods showed an
inverse association. In contrast, vitamin supplements
were positively associated with GGT. CONCLUSIONS: Serum
GGT activity increased in a dose-response manner as
alcohol and meat consumption increased and fruit
consumption decreased. Heme iron contained in meats and
micronutrients contained in fruits may influence GGT
metabolism. However, micronutrients taken as
supplements had a positive association with GGT.

PMID: 15051603 [PubMed - in process]

----------------------------------------------------------
----------------
------

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Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Meat eating = higher mortality
From: [email hidden]
Date: 4/6/2004 8:10 AM Mountain Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

No Tom, the articles said with certain preexisting
disease/disorder conditions iron plays a role.

You mean the snip .. below .. and WHAT causes those
problems .. ?

obstructive liver disease tinyurl.com38d7zOpen ↗

high alcohol consumption tinyurl.com2ngnhOpen ↗

No.. body .. knows ..

But .. YOU .. do ..

YOU .. know .. iron .. doesn't .. eh ..

Show .. me ..

I've shown where iron is KNOWN to destroy the liver ..

I've shown where alcohol causes no problems in the mouse
model but when present WITH iron causes .. significant ..
problems ..

<<snip>> Conditions that increase serum GGT, such as
obstructive liver disease, high alcohol consumption, and use
of enzyme-inducing drugs <<snip>>

Quoted message said:

Note the chain of logic, disease/disorder already exist and
then iron.

It says that .. does it ..?

I don't see that ..

I see disease .. AND iron ..

But I see NO .. disease CAUSING iron .. increase ..

Quoted message said:

Iron didn't cause the preexisting condition,

WHAT causes the preexisting condition .. smart .. guy ..

Quoted message said:

and as pointed out to you before, the presence of iron is a
secondary effect of the presence of another substance.

Must have missed that ..

Quoted message said:

In plain language, iron tends to be more the tail then the
dog, but in bio-systems many things are interrelated but
some have more effect then others; in this case the
preexisting conditions is the dog.

Bad analogy ..

Simply because .. the dog AND the tail are one and the same
..

-----------------------------------------------------------
These simple two articles show clearly .. meat eating
increases death ..

<<snip>> People with high serum GGT have higher
mortality <<snip>>

Crit Rev Clin Lab Sci. 2001 Aug;38(4):263-355. Related
Articles, Links

Gamma glutamyl transferase.

Whitfield JB.

Department of Clinical Biochemistry, Royal Prince Alfred
Hospital, and University of Sydney, NSW, Australia.
[email hidden]

Serum gamma-glutamyl transferase (GGT) has been widely used
as an index of liver dysfunction and marker of alcohol
intake. The last few years have seen improvements in these
areas and advances in understanding of its physiological
role in counteracting oxidative stress by breaking down
extracellular glutathione and making its component amino
acids available to the cells. Conditions that increase
serum GGT, such as obstructive liver disease, high alcohol
consumption, and use of enzyme-inducing drugs, lead to
increased free radical production and the threat of
glutathione depletion. However, the products of the GGT
reaction may themselves lead to increased free radical
production, particularly in the presence of iron. There
have also been important advances in the definition of the
associations between serum GGT and risk of coronary heart
disease, Type 2 diabetes, and stroke. People with high
serum GGT have higher mortality, partly because of the
association between GGT and other risk factors and partly
because GGT is an independent predictor of risk. This
review aims to summarize the knowledge about GGT's clinical
applications, to present information on its physiological
roles, consider the results of epidemiological studies, and
assess how far these separate areas can be combined into an
integrated view.

Publication Types: Review Review, Academic

PMID: 11563810 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

------------------------------------------------------------
--------------
------

<<snip>> dietary heme iron, but not saturated fat, was
associated with GGT <<snip>>

Am J Clin Nutr. 2004 Apr;79(4):600-5. Links

Association between serum gamma-glutamyltransferase and
dietary factors: the Coronary Artery Risk Development in
Young Adults (CARDIA) Study.

Lee DH, Steffen LM, Jacobs DR Jr.

Division of Epidemiology, School of Public Health,
University of Minnesota, Minneapolis (D-HL, LMS, and DRJ).

BACKGROUND: Diet may be involved in the strong dose-response
relation of gamma-glutamyltransferase (GGT) concentration
with incident diabetes. OBJECTIVE: We examined dietary
correlates of serum GGT activity. DESIGN: Study subjects
were 3146 black and white men and women aged 17-35 y in 1985-
1986. A diet history was taken at years 0 and 7. Food items
were classified into alcohol; breaded, battered, or canned
vegetables; fruit; fruit juice; refined grain; whole grain;
dairy; legumes; meat; poultry; fish; fresh or frozen
vegetables; nuts; and coffee. RESULTS: After adjustment for
nondietary factors and other food groups, GGT was positively
associated with alcohol consumption and meat intake.
Geometric means of year 10 GGT across categories of alcohol
consumption (0, 1-9, 10-19, 20-29, and >/==" BORDER="0"> 30
g/d) were 17.7,
18.8, 20.4, 21.8, and 24.8 U/L (P for trend < 0.01);
corresponding means across quintiles of meat intake were
19.2, 20.2, 20.5, 21.8, and 21.2 times/wk (P for trend <
0.01). GGT was inversely associated with fruit intake.
Among possible meat constituents, dietary heme iron, but
not saturated fat, was associated with GGT. Dietary
constituents typical of plant foods showed an inverse
association. In contrast, vitamin supplements were
positively associated with GGT. CONCLUSIONS: Serum GGT
activity increased in a dose-response manner as alcohol
and meat consumption increased and fruit consumption
decreased. Heme iron contained in meats and
micronutrients contained in fruits may influence GGT
metabolism. However, micronutrients taken as supplements
had a positive association with GGT.

PMID: 15051603 [PubMed - in process]

------------------------------------------------------------
--------------
------

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"What causes the conditions"

I don't know, it would require knowing the individual case
history of each prson in the research. All we can make
deductions/infeerences about is what is in the info
provided. They had preexisting diseases and level of iron
followed and was not the cause of the diseases. Iron is the
tail, not the dog. I do understand why you want to shoehorm
yet again another abstract and make the tail wag the dog to
do so, sorry, the very info you provide says no to your
thesis. When you get a cold is it because the iron always
in your body made it happen, or is a cold an independent
variable? One answer is that low iron causes low immunity
which makes getting a cold more likely if exposed. Even
then low iron doesn't cause colds, a virus does. Diseased
tissues might store more iron but the origin of the disease
is not the iron.

Anemia isn't low iron.

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Quoted message said:

No Tom, it actually said anemia, that means iron level in
this case, at any level poses mental problems. Is your
reading perception a bit foggy these days? The other
artcle said it poses lifelong problems for infants who are
anemic, a good part of the veggie alone folk around the
world, which is why it is the number one nutrition related
problem. When we lok at what actually happens in the real
world, your thesis is not supported, veggie alone eaters
in s. asia have the world's highest rates and climbing of
diabetes and associated heart disease etc. and are a
direct, specific, overwhelming large population example of
the failure of your thesis. Posting a thousand, nay ten
thousand, nay ten million abstracts about iron doesn't
negate this reality, doesn't support your thesis.

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Quoted message said:

Anemia isn't low iron.

Respectfully suggest you do a Google search on the ferrous
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On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 02:44:34 GMT, "Pizza Girl" <[email hidden]>
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Anemia isn't low iron.

But low iron causes anaemia. Please pay attention.

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No Tom, it actually said anemia, that means iron level in
this case, at any level poses mental problems. Is your
reading perception a bit foggy these days? The other
artcle said it poses lifelong problems for infants who
are anemic, a good part of the veggie alone folk around
the world, which is why it is the number one nutrition
related problem. When we lok at what actually happens in
the real world, your thesis is not supported, veggie
alone eaters in s. asia have the world's highest rates
and climbing of diabetes and associated heart disease
etc. and are a direct, specific, overwhelming large
population example of the failure of your thesis. Posting
a thousand, nay ten thousand, nay ten million abstracts
about iron doesn't negate this reality, doesn't support
your thesis.