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  1. Has anyone here ever accidentally forgotten to take their meds and then found they actually felt
    better the next day? That's what has happened to me. The meds I take are Lanoxin 0.125mg, Toporol
    XL 50mg, and Cozaar 50mg. Now I am wondering which of these meds is the likely suspect for causing
    my extreme shortness of breath whenever I attempt to do anything? So I am hoping someone in this
    newsgroup might be able to help me sort out which medicine might be the one most likely to be
    causing the problem. I'll try to give some background that might help in understanding how this
    all started.

    First, back in 2000 I went to my PCP to see why my legs and feet were swelling. He sent me for a
    chest xray that showed my heart was enlarged. Next, he sent me for an echocardiogram, which
    indicated (among other things) I'd possibly had a previous heart attack and needed to have more
    testing done, according to the cardiologist who read the echo results. That cardiologist became my
    first one.

    My first cardiologist prescribed these meds after diagnosing me as having dilated cardiomyopathy
    and LBBB. That was about 3-years ago, and when I last saw him in Nov. `02, he didn't make any
    changes to those meds, he just told me I might be someone who would qualify for one of the newer
    pacemakers (the kind with 3-leads). Back then I was just beginning to have the shortness of breath
    problem, but as time went by it got worse. Then last summer this cardiologist moved away, and
    before leaving he recommended another cardiologist to me. (The new cardiologist belonged to the
    same Cardiology Practice as the first one.)

    By late summer of last year the shortness of breath had gotten much worse and so I called to see if
    the new cardiologist would do whatever testing was necessary to determine for certain if I would
    definitely qualify for the pacemaker. So after sending me for a new echocardiogram last October,
    this new doctor told me he didn't believe a pacemaker would solve my problem, which he believes is
    more of a pulmonary problem. In fact, he told me my heart was much better than when I first came for
    treatment 3 years ago. But when I asked if I could go off of the meds, he said no because that might
    cause my heart problem to come back. He set up an appointment for me to see a pulmonary specialist
    later this month, and said I wouldn't need to see him again for a year.

    Then, a few days ago, I accidentally forgot to take my meds, which I usually take shortly after our
    evening meal. Strangely enough, the next day I felt better than I had been feeling for a long time.
    This made me wonder if one (or all) of these meds are contributing to my shortness of breath
    problem, but that evening I took my meds as usual. Sure enough, the next day I was feeling worse
    again. So that evening I purposely didn't take the meds and once again I felt better the next day.
    Now, this evening I broke the Lanoxin and Toprol XL tablets in half, and I'll see how that works. In
    the meantime, I'm hoping maybe someone here can give me some idea of which of the meds is causing
    the problem.

    TIA Wanda

  2. It is often difficult to find the proper balance of curative therapy,
    maintenence therapy, and preventive therapy of complicated problems such as
    yours. Sometimes, as you may discover, a less aggresive therapy following,
    say, a year's worth of curative therapy is a good plan to pursure, but it
    will take a physician who will sit with you, listen to you, is knowlegeable
    in the field of your problem, and adjust the therapy according to what your
    goals are for you to feel comfortable. You should not adjust your medication
    without knowing the consequences of doing so. A good question to ask your
    doctors is "explain to me what may happen if I take less of this medication,
    and what are the chances of that occuring?" Then follow up with another
    question: "What are the risks and side effects of this medication?"
    --
    Winning against heart attack and stroke sonoscore.comsonoscore.com

  3. Wanda Schlatter said:

    Has anyone here ever accidentally forgotten to take their meds and then found they actually felt
    better the next day? That's what has happened to me. The meds I take are Lanoxin 0.125mg, Toporol
    XL 50mg, and Cozaar 50mg. Now I am wondering which of these meds is the likely suspect for causing
    my extreme shortness of breath whenever I attempt to do anything? So I am hoping someone in this
    newsgroup might be able to help me sort out which medicine might be the one most likely to be
    causing the problem. I'll try to give some background that might help in understanding how this
    all started.

    First, back in 2000 I went to my PCP to see why my legs and feet were swelling. He sent me for a
    chest xray that showed my heart was enlarged. Next, he sent me for an echocardiogram, which
    indicated (among other things) I'd possibly had a previous heart attack and needed to have more
    testing done, according to the cardiologist who read the echo results. That cardiologist became my
    first one.

    My first cardiologist prescribed these meds after diagnosing me as having dilated cardiomyopathy
    and LBBB. That was about 3-years ago, and when I last saw him in Nov. `02, he didn't make any
    changes to those meds, he just told me I might be someone who would qualify for one of the newer
    pacemakers (the kind with 3-leads). Back then I was just beginning to have the shortness of
    breath problem, but as time went by it got worse. Then last summer this cardiologist moved away,
    and before leaving he recommended another cardiologist to me. (The new cardiologist belonged to
    the same Cardiology Practice as the first one.)

    By late summer of last year the shortness of breath had gotten much worse and so I called to see
    if the new cardiologist would do whatever testing was necessary to determine for certain if I
    would definitely qualify for the pacemaker. So after sending me for a new echocardiogram last
    October, this new doctor told me he didn't believe a pacemaker would solve my problem, which he
    believes is more of a pulmonary problem. In fact, he told me my heart was much better than when I
    first came for treatment 3 years ago. But when I asked if I could go off of the meds, he said no
    because that might cause my heart problem to come back. He set up an appointment for me to see a
    pulmonary specialist later this month, and said I wouldn't need to see him again for a year.

    Then, a few days ago, I accidentally forgot to take my meds, which I usually take shortly after
    our evening meal. Strangely enough, the next day I felt better than I had been feeling for a long
    time. This made me wonder if one (or all) of these meds are contributing to my shortness of breath
    problem, but that evening I took my meds as usual. Sure enough, the next day I was feeling worse
    again. So that evening I purposely didn't take the meds and once again I felt better the next day.
    Now, this evening I broke the Lanoxin and Toprol XL tablets in half, and I'll see how that works.
    In the meantime, I'm hoping maybe someone here can give me some idea of which of the meds is
    causing the problem.

    In this instance, the feeling better is likely to be temporary with bad long term consequences.
    Would suggest you seek the blessing of a cardiologist who has examined you *before* you change your
    medications.

    Quoted message said:


    TIA Wanda

    You are welcome.

    Humbly,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

  4. Sonos said:

    It is often difficult to find the proper balance of curative therapy, maintenence therapy, and
    preventive therapy of complicated problems such as yours. Sometimes, as you may discover, a less
    aggresive therapy following, say, a year's worth of curative therapy is a good plan to pursure,
    but it will take a physician who will sit with you, listen to you, is knowlegeable in the field of
    your problem, and adjust the therapy according to what your goals are for you to feel comfortable.
    You should not adjust your medication without knowing the consequences of doing so. A good
    question to ask your doctors is "explain to me what may happen if I take less of this medication,
    and what are the chances of that occuring?" Then follow up with another question: "What are the
    risks and side effects of this medication?"
    --
    Winning against heart attack and stroke sonoscore.comsonoscore.com

    Why the anonymity, Patrick?

    Humbly,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

  5. Wanda Schlatter said:

    TIA Wanda

    You should know that Chung is in full-scale attack mode on two other doctors who post here. His
    accomplice, Mu, is the "bad guy" of the team, and is certain to show up. The aim is to drive out all
    other doctors. Read a lot of posts and decide if you think it is an acceptable marketing approach.
    You should read the recently posted FAQ. Matt

  6. "Wanda Schlatter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Has anyone here ever accidentally forgotten to take their meds and then found they actually felt
    better the next day? That's what has happened to me. The meds I take are Lanoxin 0.125mg, Toporol
    XL 50mg, and Cozaar 50mg. Now I am wondering which of these meds is the likely suspect for causing
    my extreme shortness of breath whenever I attempt to do anything? So I am hoping someone in this
    newsgroup might be able to help me sort out which medicine might be the one most likely to be
    causing the problem. I'll try to give some background that might help in understanding how this
    all started.

    First, back in 2000 I went to my PCP to see why my legs and feet were swelling. He sent me for a
    chest xray that showed my heart was enlarged. Next, he sent me for an echocardiogram, which
    indicated (among other things) I'd possibly had a previous heart attack and needed to have more
    testing done, according to the cardiologist who read the echo results. That cardiologist became my
    first one.

    My first cardiologist prescribed these meds after diagnosing me as having dilated cardiomyopathy
    and LBBB. That was about 3-years ago, and when I last saw him in Nov. `02, he didn't make any
    changes to those meds, he just told me I might be someone who would qualify for one of the newer
    pacemakers (the kind with 3-leads). Back then I was just beginning to have the shortness of
    breath problem, but as time went by it got worse. Then last summer this cardiologist moved away,
    and before leaving he recommended another cardiologist to me. (The new cardiologist belonged to
    the same Cardiology Practice as the first one.)

    By late summer of last year the shortness of breath had gotten much worse and so I called to see
    if the new cardiologist would do whatever testing was necessary to determine for certain if I
    would definitely qualify for the pacemaker. So after sending me for a new echocardiogram last
    October, this new doctor told me he didn't believe a pacemaker would solve my problem, which he
    believes is more of a pulmonary problem. In fact, he told me my heart was much better than when I
    first came for treatment 3 years ago. But when I asked if I could go off of the meds, he said no
    because that might cause my heart problem to come back. He set up an appointment for me to see a
    pulmonary specialist later this month, and said I wouldn't need to see him again for a year.

    Then, a few days ago, I accidentally forgot to take my meds, which I usually take shortly after
    our evening meal. Strangely enough, the next day I felt better than I had been feeling for a long
    time. This made me wonder if one (or all) of these meds are contributing to my shortness of breath
    problem, but that evening I took my meds as usual. Sure enough, the next day I was feeling worse
    again. So that evening I purposely didn't take the meds and once again I felt better the next day.
    Now, this evening I broke the Lanoxin and Toprol XL tablets in half, and I'll see how that works.
    In the meantime, I'm hoping maybe someone here can give me some idea of which of the meds is
    causing the problem.

    TIA Wanda

    My opinion is that of a patient. Like you.

    Dr. Blanchard advices you to talk to your doctor. Now, why would you do that? This person has proven
    he/she doesn't/didn't have the interest/knowledge to find a good therapy and help you work
    through it in the first place, without being asked. He/she put you on a one-size fits all
    regimen, and apparently didn't suggest he/she monitor you for side effects (which might be?) and
    make adjustments. Time to take your health care in your own hands. Do not go back to this
    doctor, humble hat in hand, asking them to tell you what is and what isn't. Google your
    medications with the words "side effects" after their names. Go to www.rxlist.com and read up on
    the possible side effects. If you are experiencing anything listed there, the chances are you've
    passed possible. Then do a search on your meds and particular side effects in www.pubmed.org and
    see what research has been done (or not). Google a chat board for people who have used that drug
    and experienced side effects. Talk to your prescribing pharmacist, ask the pharmacist for
    photocopies of all relevant pages in the product monograph. Go to your local library and look up
    your drugs, with a librarian's help if need be. Call the pharmacology department of a nearby
    university and ask for product monograph and physician's desk reference information for all your
    drugs. Sitting in front of your doctor, hoping this individual is going to tell you all you need
    to know and make the best decision for you is in my opinion handing responsibility for your
    health to someone else. Your doctor is your consultant. You are the decision maker. MFG

  7. On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:50:18 -0500, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
    (in message <[email hidden]>😉:

    Quoted message said:

    Sonos wrote:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Winning against heart attack and stroke sonoscore.comsonoscore.com

    Why the anonymity, Patrick?

    Maybe he doesn't want you and your buddy Mu to launch a spam attack on him if he happens to
    disagree with you?

    --
    Steve

    Weeding the Lord's Vineyards Since 2003

  8. "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    : Sonos wrote:
    :
    : Why the anonymity, Patrick?
    :

    have you ever asked Mu_ this question, Andrew?

  9. Sonos said:

    It is often difficult to find the proper balance of curative therapy,

    Excuse me but what are you credentials, education and background to offer such advice?

    I believe you are a charlatan.

    antwrp.gsfc.nasa.govap031109.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

  10. A Mugnificent Desolation said:
    Sonos said:

    It is often difficult to find the proper balance of curative therapy,

    Excuse me but what are you credentials, education and background to offer such advice?

    You don't have enough credentials to even ask. You have NONE at all, in anything. A total loser.
    Show me ONE single credential you have. You can't because you have none. Not even as a trainer.
    That's a hoax.

    Quoted message said:

    I believe you are a charlatan.

    I believe you are a charlatan. Nyaaa nyaa, my belief's stronger than your wimpy belief. You lose
    again. As always.

    Mu2

  11. On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 11:17:39 -0500, "Jim Horne" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    :
    : Why the anonymity, Patrick?
    :

    have you ever asked Mu_ this question, Andrew?

    Yes he has.

    And to Chung, and thousands others, I am not anonymous.

    How do we know you are really "Jim Horne"?

    antwrp.gsfc.nasa.govap031109.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

  12. A Mugnificent Desolation said:
    Jim Horne said:

    :
    : Why the anonymity, Patrick?
    :

    have you ever asked Mu_ this question, Andrew?

    Yes he has.

    And to Chung, and thousands others, I am not anonymous.

    Makes no difference here. Are you REALLY that stupid not to understand that? Must be, since
    you said it.

    Quoted message said:

    How do we know you are really "Jim Horne"?

    We could always email his REAL email address and find out more. Thus we know who he is MUCH better
    than we do you.

    Not only that, he has a real name, unlike Mu=nothing.

    Why are you so afraid of giving out your email address? You're supposed to be so macho and brave.
    Guess not.

    Mu2

  13. "A Mugnificent Desolation" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    : On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 11:17:39 -0500, "Jim Horne" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    :
    : >:
    : >: Why the anonymity, Patrick?
    : >:
    : >
    : >have you ever asked Mu_ this question, Andrew?
    :
    : Yes he has.
    :
    : And to Chung, and thousands others, I am not anonymous.
    :
    : How do we know you are really "Jim Horne"?
    :
    email me and find out...

  14. Jim Horne said:

    : How do we know you are really "Jim Horne"?
    :
    email me and find out...

    Are you kidding. Mu_gutless is going to slink back under his protective KKK robes.

    Mu2

  15. On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 16:42:44 -0500, "Jim Horne" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    : How do we know you are really "Jim Horne"?
    :
    email me and find out...

    a) I don't do email

    b) would prove nothing.

    antwrp.gsfc.nasa.govap031109.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

  16. A Mugnificent Desolation said:
    Jim Horne said:

    : How do we know you are really "Jim Horne"?
    :
    email me and find out...

    a) I don't do email

    Why not? What are you afraid of? Don't know how, maybe?

    Quoted message said:

    b) would prove nothing.

    True, Mu=nothing. But we already know that. Isn't there ANYTHING of substance to you?

    Mu2

  17. "A Mugnificent Desolation" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    : On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 16:42:44 -0500, "Jim Horne" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    :
    : >: How do we know you are really "Jim Horne"?
    : >:
    : >email me and find out...
    :
    : a) I don't do email
    :
    : b) would prove nothing.
    :

    so...you don't do email? never have? is this your final answer? IS this THE *truth*?

  18. On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 19:32:05 -0500, "Jim Horne" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    : >email me and find out...
    :
    : a) I don't do email
    :
    : b) would prove nothing.
    :

    so...you don't do email?

    Uh, let me see, yes, that is what I said. See above.

    Quoted message said:

    never have? is this your final answer? IS this THE *truth*?

    Th truth is I don't do emails with TROLLS like you.

    any other questions?

    antwrp.gsfc.nasa.govap031109.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

  19. Jim Horne said:


    "A Mugnificent Desolation" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    : On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 16:42:44 -0500, "Jim Horne" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    :
    : >: How do we know you are really "Jim Horne"?
    : >:
    : >email me and find out...
    :
    : a) I don't do email
    :
    : b) would prove nothing.
    :

    so...you don't do email? never have? is this your final answer? IS this THE *truth*?

    Of course not. Mu=nothing. There is nothing to him at all. Boasts and claims a lot, with NOTHING to
    back it up. Mu=nothing. Can't even speak straight.

    Mu3

  20. "A Mugnificent Desolation" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    : On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 19:32:05 -0500, "Jim Horne" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    :
    : >: >email me and find out...
    : >:
    : >: a) I don't do email
    : >:
    : >: b) would prove nothing.
    : >:
    : >
    : >so...you don't do email?
    :
    : Uh, let me see, yes, that is what I said. See above.
    :
    :
    : >never have? is this your final answer? IS this THE *truth*?
    :
    : Th truth is I don't do emails with TROLLS like you.
    :
    and that is NOT what you first wrote...so you, my friend, are a liar!

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