Metronome a crazy idea?

Pat Fleming <[email hidden]> wrote:
: I'm considering using a metronome on my training rides. The digital device has cadences from 40 to
: over 200. Any usefulness in this?

you'll find out how far a metronome can fly outdoors. i can tell you from my younger days playing
cello that the distance indoors is limited only by walls.
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"Pat Fleming" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I'm considering using a metronome on my training rides. The digital

device

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has cadences from 40 to over 200. Any usefulness in this?

Can't say about using it to keep a cadence on a bike ... they're pretty maddening for music IMHO.

If it was me, I would use some cadence CD's. My little brother is in the army, and he gets them all
the time, you know the kind ... "Ain't no use lookin' down, ain't no discharge on the ground".
They're great for running, although I prefer Slayer or Cannibal Corpse myself.

Before this turns into a "no headphones" flame war, when on public streets, I only use one earpiece.

Do a search on Kazaa (Lite) for cadence. Lotsa good stuff available apart from military.

C.Q.C.

Do the cadence CD's offer different incantations at various speeds? (I have no idea myself.) If not,
how would they be useful?

It would seem the virtue of a metronome is that you could set your desired cadence in very fine
increments for training purposes.

Disclaimer: I'm a professional musician in my other life, and do find a metronome valuable. After a
time, you internalize the numbers so you can accurately tell what 80 or 90 or 100 bpm is, without
aid of a metronome.

Joe

"Joseph Kubera" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Do the cadence CD's offer different incantations at various speeds? (I

have no

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idea myself.) If not, how would they be useful?

Yes. You're right, they would not be useful otherwise. It's meant for a training regime, slow at
first, then faster etc. They're excellent for running and the end result of decades of military
experience.

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It would seem the virtue of a metronome is that you could set your desired cadence in very fine
increments for training purposes.

I suppose that would be more precise for pure training, but you can also have many songs at
different speeds and skip to them accordingly as well, or burn the training sequence in order ahead
of time. I've been thinking about an MP3 player for just such a purpose. I've made my own "cadence"
CD's for my girlfriend ... she's from India and dances the gurpa, and I mix them on Acid Pro to get
just the right beat, but it would not be too hard to search a persons own library to come up with
songs that match the desired cadence. Again it's only an option, but I've found music, or military
style cadence to be more useful to me since they seem to "inspire", for lack of a better term.

What do you think about the idea of attaching some sort of audible "clicker" to the pedals, to be
even more precise? This would be in addition to the metronome.

C.Q.C.

Joseph Kubera said:

Do the cadence CD's offer different incantations at various speeds? (I have no idea myself.) If
not, how would they be useful?

I've toyed with the idea of computer generated music for a given beat. The idea was to be able to
dial in a beat, or a pattern of beats - say a 30 minute workout, with a 20 minute warmup. Program
the thing to play at 80 bpm for 10 minutes (warmup), then 90 BPM going to 110 BPM over 5 minutes,
then hold 110 BPM for 5 minutes, etc.

Alas, I never found a music generator that I could use as an engine. I did find lots of cool
experimental music that way, but not a simple generator that would lay down a beat and maybe some
random instrument vocies.

I think that there would be a clientele for this, though. If anyone is aware of such an engine, let
me know....

-Kamus

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Armstrong (_)\(_)

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From: "Pat Fleming"

Quoted message said:

I'm considering using a metronome on my training rides. The digital device has cadences from 40 to
over 200. Any >usefulness in this?

(Disclaimer): Some people think that cadence doesn't matter. Some people mock any emphasis on
"spinning".

I found it useful to work on cadence because while winter roller training years ago while living in
the GFN, I noticed that certain metronome- "controlled" cadences were markedly more difficult for me
while remaining in the same gear. IOW, I could go a little "easier" or a little "harder" with less
effort than trying to maintain, say, a 103 rpm cadence v. 98 or 106 (or whatever those detents were
on my old black Bakelight box Seth Thomas electric click/light 'nome.)

Fun and games, a lot harder to concentrate on while dealing with the outdoor world. You can get a
loud 'nome for @$20 (national guitar chain store). Curious? Get one and play with it, enjoy.
--Tom Paterson

"Kamus of Kadizhar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Joseph Kubera said:

Do the cadence CD's offer different incantations at various speeds? (I

have no

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

idea myself.) If not, how would they be useful?

I've toyed with the idea of computer generated music for a given beat. The idea was to be able to
dial in a beat, or a pattern of beats - say a 30 minute workout, with a 20 minute warmup. Program
the thing to play at 80 bpm for 10 minutes (warmup), then 90 BPM going to 110 BPM over 5 minutes,
then hold 110 BPM for 5 minutes, etc.

Alas, I never found a music generator that I could use as an engine. I did find lots of cool
experimental music that way, but not a simple generator that would lay down a beat and maybe some
random instrument vocies.

I think that there would be a clientele for this, though. If anyone is aware of such an engine,
let me know....

It's pretty simple to do this by building an MP3 list of songs with the chosen tempo. If you
really want to be precise, there are software modules that allow you to change the tempo over a
pretty large range without affecting the pitch. When I ride a trainer to music (not all that
often) I usually throw together such a list (w/o tempo tweaking) that matches a rough profile,
it's not very hard.

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Kamus of Kadizhar said:

Joseph Kubera said:

Do the cadence CD's offer different incantations at various speeds? (I have no idea myself.) If
not, how would they be useful?

I've toyed with the idea of computer generated music for a given beat. The idea was to be able to
dial in a beat, or a pattern of beats - say a 30 minute workout, with a 20 minute warmup. Program
the thing to play at 80 bpm for 10 minutes (warmup), then 90 BPM going to 110 BPM over 5 minutes,
then hold 110 BPM for 5 minutes, etc.

Alas, I never found a music generator that I could use as an engine. I did find lots of cool
experimental music that way, but not a simple generator that would lay down a beat and maybe some
random instrument vocies.

I think that there would be a clientele for this, though. If anyone is aware of such an engine,
let me know....

-Kamus

Apple's Soundtrack sounds like exactly what you want. It's not a music composition program in the
conventional sense: you set the tempo and key of the work, and then insert loops and samples (it
comes with 4000). The program does the dirty work of making them match the key and tempo. The result
is a way for non-musicians to work up some fairly sophisticated original works, mainly for use as
soundtracks against a video of some work.

apple.comsoundtrackOpen ↗

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[snip, insert allegro from Vivaldi Op. IV, "La Stravaganza," Concerto No. 1 B flat major, RV 383a,
preferably Neville Marriner]

Quoted message said:

Apple's Soundtrack sounds like exactly what you want. It's not a music composition program in the
conventional sense: you set the tempo and key of the work, and then insert loops and samples (it
comes with 4000). The program does the dirty work of making them match the key and tempo. The
result is a way for non-musicians to work up some fairly sophisticated original works, mainly for
use as soundtracks against a video of some work.

apple.comsoundtrackOpen ↗

Dear Ryan,

Let's not try to run while holding scissors. We might slip on the paste that Ralph Wiggums spilled
on the floor at Springfield Elementary.

[insert theme from "Patton" with echoing trumpets]

When we "insert loops and samples" from a library, using a program to take care of "the key and
tempo," "collage" may be a more "conventional" and accurate description than "fairly sophisticated
original works."

[insert Looney Tunes "Th-th-that's All, Folks" closing]

Carl Fogel

Peter Cole said:

It's pretty simple to do this by building an MP3 list of songs with the chosen tempo. If you
really want to be precise, there are software modules that allow you to change the tempo over a
pretty large range without affecting the pitch. When I ride a trainer to music (not all that
often) I usually throw together such a list (w/o tempo tweaking) that matches a rough profile,
it's not very hard.

Really? Where do I find these? Any that work with linux?

Thanks.

--
What am I on? I'm on my bike, o__ 6 hours a day, busting my ass. ,>/'_ What are you on? --Lance
Armstrong (_)\(_)

"Pat Fleming" wrote...

Quoted message said:

I'm considering using a metronome on my training rides. The digital

device

Quoted message said:

has cadences from 40 to over 200. Any usefulness in this?

I had a racer friend that used to do this on his rollers with an old fashion metronome in the late
1970's. Nothing wrong with it if you have a need or reason to work on cadence Rod Raisanen
Chillicothe, OH

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Fogel) said:

Ryan Cousineau <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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[snip, insert allegro from Vivaldi Op. IV, "La Stravaganza," Concerto No. 1 B flat major, RV 383a,
preferably Neville Marriner]

Quoted message said:

Apple's Soundtrack sounds like exactly what you want. It's not a music composition program in
the conventional sense: you set the tempo and key of the work, and then insert loops and samples
(it comes with 4000). The program does the dirty work of making them match the key and tempo.
The result is a way for non-musicians to work up some fairly sophisticated original works,
mainly for use as soundtracks against a video of some work.

apple.comsoundtrackOpen ↗

Dear Ryan,

Let's not try to run while holding scissors. We might slip on the paste that Ralph Wiggums spilled
on the floor at Springfield Elementary.

[insert theme from "Patton" with echoing trumpets]

When we "insert loops and samples" from a library, using a program to take care of "the key and
tempo," "collage" may be a more "conventional" and accurate description than "fairly sophisticated
original works."

[insert Looney Tunes "Th-th-that's All, Folks" closing]

Carl Fogel

Oh ye of little faith:

A review, including mention of a similar PC product, ACID:

digitalpostproduction.comgetframeletter.cgiOpen ↗
oct/reviews/soundtrack_spot.htm

Okay, it's not Mozart:

soundtracklounge.comRedemption in C.mp4Open ↗

(much more available at the site)

Also, none of your suggestions beat the occasional thoughtful use of classical music on the
Simpsons. Two examples come to mind: in an early episode, Homer gets promoted, and is given the key
to the executive washroom. It features a string quartet playing the opening notes of Debussy's
string quartet, Op. 10. Maybe my favourite piece of music.

Another happened when Itchy and Scratchy got boring after Marge protested their violence. The kids
all turn off their TVs and go outside, in a pretty montage set to Beethoven's Pastoral Symphony.

ObBike: rode to work today. Nothing special to report.

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"Kamus of Kadizhar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Peter Cole said:

It's pretty simple to do this by building an MP3 list of songs with the

chosen

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

tempo. If you really want to be precise, there are software modules that

allow

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

you to change the tempo over a pretty large range without affecting the

pitch.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

When I ride a trainer to music (not all that often) I usually throw

together

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

such a list (w/o tempo tweaking) that matches a rough profile, it's not

very

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hard.

Really? Where do I find these? Any that work with linux?

What I use is Winamp ( winamp.comwinamp.comOpen ↗ ). As you might surmise from the name, it's a windows
program. It has a published API, so lots of people have written plugins to do all kinds of cool
stuff. The tempo changer is cool, my son used it to slow down a recording of a music piece he was
learning to play.

For Linux, you might try SourceForge, there are so many open source projects that someone must have
done a MP3 player with DSP plugins.

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I'm considering using a metronome on my training rides.

Why would you want a city-dwelling elf on your bike?

Oh, sorry...that's a metro GNOME.

Bill "posted something similar yesterday but it never showed up (for good reason!)" S.

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"Pat Fleming" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I'm considering using a metronome on my training rides.

Why would you want a city-dwelling elf on your bike?

Oh, sorry...that's a metro GNOME.

Bill "posted something similar yesterday but it never showed up (for good reason!)" S.

Dear Bill,

Actually, he wants to use it for mass-transit in Alaska.

Carl Fogel

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 17:22:54 GMT, "Sorni" <[email hidden]>

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I'm considering using a metronome on my training rides.

Why would you want a city-dwelling elf on your bike? Oh, sorry...that's a metro GNOME.

Bill "posted something similar yesterday but it never showed up (for good reason!)" S.

It showed up fine.

Google for metro gnome if you're bored.
--
Rick Onanian

Ryan Cousineau said:

Also, none of your suggestions beat the occasional thoughtful use of classical music on the
Simpsons. Two examples come to mind: in an early episode, Homer gets promoted, and is given the
key to the executive washroom. It features a string quartet playing the opening notes of Debussy's
string quartet, Op. 10. Maybe my favourite piece of music.

In the Richard M. Nixon Presidential Library and Birthplace in Yorba Linda, California, the music
piped into the bathrooms is "Hail to the Chief." At least, so it was in the men's bathroom. I forgot
to ask my friends about the women's room, and didn't check myself.

At the Nixon Library, one may also listen to excerpts of various Watergate tapes, see a 12' tall
piece of the Berlin Wall (behind a velvet rope and sign saying "Please Do Not Touch Berlin Wall"😉,
walk among life size bronzes of world leaders including Churchill, Khrushchev, and Zhou Enlai, and
purchase a coffee mug emblazoned with an inspirational saying from RMN. A must see if you're
obsessed with Nixon, and really, who isn't?

In article <3fd6d42c$1@darkstar>,

Benjamin Weiner said:

Ryan Cousineau said:

Also, none of your suggestions beat the occasional thoughtful use of classical music on the
Simpsons. Two examples come to mind: in an early episode, Homer gets promoted, and is given the
key to the executive washroom. It features a string quartet playing the opening notes of
Debussy's string quartet, Op. 10. Maybe my favourite piece of music.

In the Richard M. Nixon Presidential Library and Birthplace in Yorba Linda, California, the music
piped into the bathrooms is "Hail to the Chief." At least, so it was in the men's bathroom. I
forgot to ask my friends about the women's room, and didn't check myself.

At the Nixon Library, one may also listen to excerpts of various Watergate tapes, see a 12' tall
piece of the Berlin Wall (behind a velvet rope and sign saying "Please Do Not Touch Berlin Wall"😉,
walk among life size bronzes of world leaders including Churchill, Khrushchev, and Zhou Enlai, and
purchase a coffee mug emblazoned with an inspirational saying from RMN. A must see if you're
obsessed with Nixon, and really, who isn't?

Interesting you should mention the Nixon Library of all Presidential libraries. Because of a dispute
over the archives and stuff, it's the only one that isn't a federal institution. It's basically a
private organization.

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