Miche cassettes teeth chipped and broken

Paul S said:

I have two of the Miche Campagnolo-compatible 10s cassettes in 11-25.
It's a delightful gearing for riding hills with a 50/34 compact. Now
with about 1500 miles on one cassette and perhaps 1000 on the other,
they are starting to get shredded, one has lost two whole teeth and
many are chipped or gouged. I have never seen this on the many Campy
or Shimano cassettes I used on the same bikes, even on a stamped steel
cassette like Veloce. I wish some higher quality manufacturers would
pick up this gearing.

Why not use the Campagnolo 11-25 10 speed cassettes?

Paul S said:

I have two of the Miche Campagnolo-compatible 10s cassettes in 11-25.
It's a delightful gearing for riding hills with a 50/34 compact. Now
with about 1500 miles on one cassette and perhaps 1000 on the other,
they are starting to get shredded, one has lost two whole teeth and
many are chipped or gouged. I have never seen this on the many Campy
or Shimano cassettes I used on the same bikes, even on a stamped steel
cassette like Veloce. I wish some higher quality manufacturers would
pick up this gearing.

Why not use the Campagnolo 11-25 10 speed cassettes?

Paul S said:

I have two of the Miche Campagnolo-compatible 10s cassettes in 11-25.
It's a delightful gearing for riding hills with a 50/34 compact. Now
with about 1500 miles on one cassette and perhaps 1000 on the other,
they are starting to get shredded, one has lost two whole teeth and
many are chipped or gouged. I have never seen this on the many Campy
or Shimano cassettes I used on the same bikes, even on a stamped steel
cassette like Veloce. I wish some higher quality manufacturers would
pick up this gearing.

Miche do seem to be a bit shoddy. A few teeth went missing from one of
the sprockets on mine and I know two other people in RL who've had the
same problem.

Paul S said:

I have two of the Miche Campagnolo-compatible 10s cassettes in 11-25.
It's a delightful gearing for riding hills with a 50/34 compact. Now
with about 1500 miles on one cassette and perhaps 1000 on the other,
they are starting to get shredded, one has lost two whole teeth and
many are chipped or gouged. I have never seen this on the many Campy
or Shimano cassettes I used on the same bikes, even on a stamped steel
cassette like Veloce. I wish some higher quality manufacturers would
pick up this gearing.

Miche do seem to be a bit shoddy. A few teeth went missing from one of
the sprockets on mine and I know two other people in RL who've had the
same problem.

Paul S said:

I have two of the Miche Campagnolo-compatible 10s cassettes in 11-25.
It's a delightful gearing for riding hills with a 50/34 compact. Now
with about 1500 miles on one cassette and perhaps 1000 on the other,
they are starting to get shredded, one has lost two whole teeth and
many are chipped or gouged. I have never seen this on the many Campy
or Shimano cassettes I used on the same bikes, even on a stamped steel
cassette like Veloce. I wish some higher quality manufacturers would
pick up this gearing.

I tried a Miche once, it worked fine at first, but I started having
chain skipping in my 16 & 17 tooth cogs after about 600 miles. Then I
discovered you could get Campy cassettes at about 60% of US retail
with free shipping from probikekit.com, and I've only used Campy
since.

$49.04 for the 11-25 Mirage at the moment.
http://www.probikekit.com/display.php?code=L1044

Paul S said:

I have two of the Miche Campagnolo-compatible 10s cassettes in 11-25.
It's a delightful gearing for riding hills with a 50/34 compact. Now
with about 1500 miles on one cassette and perhaps 1000 on the other,
they are starting to get shredded, one has lost two whole teeth and
many are chipped or gouged. I have never seen this on the many Campy
or Shimano cassettes I used on the same bikes, even on a stamped steel
cassette like Veloce. I wish some higher quality manufacturers would
pick up this gearing.

I tried a Miche once, it worked fine at first, but I started having
chain skipping in my 16 & 17 tooth cogs after about 600 miles. Then I
discovered you could get Campy cassettes at about 60% of US retail
with free shipping from probikekit.com, and I've only used Campy
since.

$49.04 for the 11-25 Mirage at the moment.
http://www.probikekit.com/display.php?code=L1044

Jim Higson said:

Why not use the Campagnolo 11-25 10 speed cassettes?

$300 to $450 retail for Record, $210 to $220 for Chorus. You'd have
to be a stupendous chump to pay that for consumable bike parts. It's
just an exaggerated version of the basic problem with all 9-speed and
10-speed parts, though.

I'll continue to pay about $20 for my favorite 7-speed freewheels.
There is no adequate virtue in 9- and 10-speed stuff to warrant the
difference in cost-- and I do own a bike with 9-speed SRAM X-7
drivetrain as a basis of comparison.

Chalo

Jim Higson said:

Why not use the Campagnolo 11-25 10 speed cassettes?

$300 to $450 retail for Record, $210 to $220 for Chorus. You'd have
to be a stupendous chump to pay that for consumable bike parts. It's
just an exaggerated version of the basic problem with all 9-speed and
10-speed parts, though.

I'll continue to pay about $20 for my favorite 7-speed freewheels.
There is no adequate virtue in 9- and 10-speed stuff to warrant the
difference in cost-- and I do own a bike with 9-speed SRAM X-7
drivetrain as a basis of comparison.

Chalo

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Jim Higson said:

Why not use the Campagnolo 11-25 10 speed cassettes?

Chalo said:

$300 to $450 retail for Record, $210 to $220 for Chorus. You'd have
to be a stupendous chump to pay that for consumable bike parts. It's
just an exaggerated version of the basic problem with all 9-speed and
10-speed parts, though.

I'll continue to pay about $20 for my favorite 7-speed freewheels.
There is no adequate virtue in 9- and 10-speed stuff to warrant the
difference in cost-- and I do own a bike with 9-speed SRAM X-7
drivetrain as a basis of comparison.

Although the general run of your argument is good, Campagnolo's most
popular format CrMo cassette, Veloce, is under $100. Veloce cassettes
allow cog swapping and don't have the 'features' of loud loosening
carriers/rivets nor fast-wearing titanium cogs. The 11t-start models are
a bit past $100 as they include a special smaller lockring for the
special 11t end cog and the special riders who prefer 11t.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Quoted message said:

Jim Higson said:

Why not use the Campagnolo 11-25 10 speed cassettes?

Chalo said:

$300 to $450 retail for Record, $210 to $220 for Chorus. You'd have
to be a stupendous chump to pay that for consumable bike parts. It's
just an exaggerated version of the basic problem with all 9-speed and
10-speed parts, though.

I'll continue to pay about $20 for my favorite 7-speed freewheels.
There is no adequate virtue in 9- and 10-speed stuff to warrant the
difference in cost-- and I do own a bike with 9-speed SRAM X-7
drivetrain as a basis of comparison.

Although the general run of your argument is good, Campagnolo's most
popular format CrMo cassette, Veloce, is under $100. Veloce cassettes
allow cog swapping and don't have the 'features' of loud loosening
carriers/rivets nor fast-wearing titanium cogs. The 11t-start models are
a bit past $100 as they include a special smaller lockring for the
special 11t end cog and the special riders who prefer 11t.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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Quoted message said:

Jim Higson said:

Why not use the Campagnolo 11-25 10 speed cassettes?

$300 to $450 retail for Record, $210 to $220 for Chorus. You'd have
to be a stupendous chump to pay that for consumable bike parts. It's
just an exaggerated version of the basic problem with all 9-speed and
10-speed parts, though.

35 quid, ie 70 USD for 11-25 campag here (mirage). Looks like there's a
significant price premium for 11-25 cf the one's starting at 12 or 13.

cheers,
clive

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Quoted message said:

Jim Higson said:

Why not use the Campagnolo 11-25 10 speed cassettes?

$300 to $450 retail for Record, $210 to $220 for Chorus. You'd have
to be a stupendous chump to pay that for consumable bike parts. It's
just an exaggerated version of the basic problem with all 9-speed and
10-speed parts, though.

35 quid, ie 70 USD for 11-25 campag here (mirage). Looks like there's a
significant price premium for 11-25 cf the one's starting at 12 or 13.

cheers,
clive

Clive George said:

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Quoted message said:

Jim Higson wrote:

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Quoted message said:

Why not use the Campagnolo 11-25 10 speed cassettes?

Quoted message said:

$300 to $450 retail for Record, $210 to $220 for Chorus. You'd have
to be a stupendous chump to pay that for consumable bike parts. It's
just an exaggerated version of the basic problem with all 9-speed and
10-speed parts, though.

35 quid, ie 70 USD for 11-25 campag here (mirage). Looks like there's a
significant price premium for 11-25 cf the one's starting at 12 or 13.

That's 'cause the 11t ones include a lockring.

Clive George said:

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Jim Higson wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Why not use the Campagnolo 11-25 10 speed cassettes?

Quoted message said:

$300 to $450 retail for Record, $210 to $220 for Chorus. You'd have
to be a stupendous chump to pay that for consumable bike parts. It's
just an exaggerated version of the basic problem with all 9-speed and
10-speed parts, though.

35 quid, ie 70 USD for 11-25 campag here (mirage). Looks like there's a
significant price premium for 11-25 cf the one's starting at 12 or 13.

That's 'cause the 11t ones include a lockring.

A Muzi said:

Quoted message said:

Jim Higson said:

Why not use the Campagnolo 11-25 10 speed cassettes?

Chalo said:

$300 to $450 retail for Record, $210 to $220 for Chorus. You'd have
to be a stupendous chump to pay that for consumable bike parts. It's
just an exaggerated version of the basic problem with all 9-speed and
10-speed parts, though.

I'll continue to pay about $20 for my favorite 7-speed freewheels.
There is no adequate virtue in 9- and 10-speed stuff to warrant the
difference in cost-- and I do own a bike with 9-speed SRAM X-7
drivetrain as a basis of comparison.

Although the general run of your argument is good, Campagnolo's most
popular format CrMo cassette, Veloce, is under $100. Veloce cassettes
allow cog swapping and don't have the 'features' of loud loosening
carriers/rivets nor fast-wearing titanium cogs. The 11t-start models are
a bit past $100 as they include a special smaller lockring for the
special 11t end cog and the special riders who prefer 11t.

So do I need Yet Another Special Tool to get an 11t lockring off, or can
I use the same one I use for my existing 13t minimum Campag stuff?

A Muzi said:

Quoted message said:

Jim Higson said:

Why not use the Campagnolo 11-25 10 speed cassettes?

Chalo said:

$300 to $450 retail for Record, $210 to $220 for Chorus. You'd have
to be a stupendous chump to pay that for consumable bike parts. It's
just an exaggerated version of the basic problem with all 9-speed and
10-speed parts, though.

I'll continue to pay about $20 for my favorite 7-speed freewheels.
There is no adequate virtue in 9- and 10-speed stuff to warrant the
difference in cost-- and I do own a bike with 9-speed SRAM X-7
drivetrain as a basis of comparison.

Although the general run of your argument is good, Campagnolo's most
popular format CrMo cassette, Veloce, is under $100. Veloce cassettes
allow cog swapping and don't have the 'features' of loud loosening
carriers/rivets nor fast-wearing titanium cogs. The 11t-start models are
a bit past $100 as they include a special smaller lockring for the
special 11t end cog and the special riders who prefer 11t.

So do I need Yet Another Special Tool to get an 11t lockring off, or can
I use the same one I use for my existing 13t minimum Campag stuff?

Ben C said:

So do I need Yet Another Special Tool to get an 11t lockring off, or can
I use the same one I use for my existing 13t minimum Campag stuff?

Same tool.

Ben C said:

So do I need Yet Another Special Tool to get an 11t lockring off, or can
I use the same one I use for my existing 13t minimum Campag stuff?

Same tool.

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Jim Higson wrote:
> Why not use the Campagnolo 11-25 10 speed cassettes?

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Chalo said:

$300 to $450 retail for Record, $210 to $220 for Chorus. You'd have
to be a stupendous chump to pay that for consumable bike parts. It's
just an exaggerated version of the basic problem with all 9-speed and
10-speed parts, though.
I'll continue to pay about $20 for my favorite 7-speed freewheels.
There is no adequate virtue in 9- and 10-speed stuff to warrant the
difference in cost-- and I do own a bike with 9-speed SRAM X-7
drivetrain as a basis of comparison.

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A Muzi said:

Although the general run of your argument is good, Campagnolo's most
popular format CrMo cassette, Veloce, is under $100. Veloce cassettes
allow cog swapping and don't have the 'features' of loud loosening
carriers/rivets nor fast-wearing titanium cogs. The 11t-start models are
a bit past $100 as they include a special smaller lockring for the
special 11t end cog and the special riders who prefer 11t.

Ben C said:

So do I need Yet Another Special Tool to get an 11t lockring off, or can
I use the same one I use for my existing 13t minimum Campag stuff?

same tool for all
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971