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  1. This recent article in the Grauniad reminded me to rant about
    microwave ovens these days.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,2123217,00.html

    But first, I agree with the point that microwave ovens are generally
    for reheating rather than cooking as such --- with the exception of
    rice, for which the microwave is a legitimately easy cooking method.

    The microwave my parents had when I was a kid had something like a
    numeric keypad on it, so you could (for example) press 2-3-0-start to
    zap something for two and a half minutes. Now you have to press the
    minute and ten-second buttons repeatedly. This annoys me. Bring back
    the numpad.

    Also, why does the stupid thing have to beep EVERY TIME I press a
    button? I want it to beep ONCE ONLY --- to get my attention when it's
    finished. I can understand that the button feedback is useful for
    people with low vision, but it should be an option that I can turn
    off.

    Oh, and of course, GET OFFA MY LAWN!

    --
    Leila: "I don't think he knows."
    Agent Rogersz: "Increase the voltage."
    Leila: "What if he's innocent?"
    Agent Rogersz: "No one is innocent. Proceed"

  2. Adam Funk said:

    The microwave my parents had when I was a kid had something like
    a numeric keypad on it, so you could (for example) press
    2-3-0-start to zap something for two and a half minutes. Now
    you have to press the minute and ten-second buttons repeatedly.
    This annoys me. Bring back the numpad.

    The Panasonic I got three or four years ago has a keypad like you
    wish. 2-3-0 is a two and a half minutes. I *think* the Panasonics
    I've seen between then and now are like that.

    --
    Blinky
    Killfiling all posts from Google Groups
    Details: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html

  3. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Adam Funk said:

    The microwave my parents had when I was a kid had something like a
    numeric keypad on it,

    When *I* was a kid, the only microwave ovens around were the radar
    dishes my Dad worked on at GE. Uphill. Both ways.

    Quoted message said:

    so you could (for example) press 2-3-0-start to
    zap something for two and a half minutes.

    And when I was a young adult, the only microwaves had mechanical dial
    timers. In the snow!

    Quoted message said:

    Also, why does the stupid thing have to beep EVERY TIME I press a
    button?

    So you know when your kid is about to microwave your cell phone.

    Quoted message said:

    Oh, and of course, GET OFFA MY LAWN!

    You get offa mine. Come back in twenty years.

    --
    - Doctroid Doctroid Holmes
    It's too confused to make sense, so let's make nonsense.
    -- Chris McG.

  4. Kate Connally wrote:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    It finally died and I got a new one for about $60.
    It has a keypad and many functions. I thought they all had
    number keypads these days. I've never seen one that has
    what the OP describes. So, OP, it looks like you didn't do
    your homework and just bought the wrong mw oven. Go out and
    buy the right one! Sheesh!

    I thought they all had number pads, too. The ones I've looked at do,
    except for the budget models which still have dials.

  5. Pennyaline said:

    Kate Connally wrote:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    It finally died and I got a new one for about $60.
    It has a keypad and many functions. I thought they all had
    number keypads these days. I've never seen one that has
    what the OP describes. So, OP, it looks like you didn't do
    your homework and just bought the wrong mw oven. Go out and
    buy the right one! Sheesh!

    I thought they all had number pads, too. The ones I've looked at do,
    except for the budget models which still have dials.

    Some of the very inexpensive ones only have a dial.
    John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

  6. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Kate Connally said:

    It finally died and I got a new one for about $60.
    It has a keypad and many functions. I thought they all had
    number keypads these days. I've never seen one that has
    what the OP describes. So, OP, it looks like you didn't do
    your homework and just bought the wrong mw oven. Go out and
    buy the right one! Sheesh!

    Microwaves seem to have followed a strange curve.

    In 1999, I bought my first one for $80, and it had the buttons,
    but they were arranged strangely. Instead of being four rows
    of three buttons, it was two rows of five buttons. I think
    that's why it was cheaper.

    In fact, I think a lot of kitchen appliances are cheap because they
    have bad interfaces. I used to have a rickety-cheap toaster oven
    that I used all the time, for toast, muffins, frozen tater tots,
    and other stuff I didn't want to bother using the big oven for. It
    had two knobs: one for the temperature and one for toast darkness,
    and a "toast" button. Then my parents bought me a fancy-cheap
    toaster oven, with a little convection fan that makes things cook
    faster. Neat, but it has three knobs now: mode, timer, and
    temperature. If you want to toast, you have to first set the mode
    and temperature knobs to their "toast" setting, then move the timer
    past the 20-minute mark so it knows to turn the oven on, THEN move
    the timer to the desired toast darkness. And it always burns the
    toast, always always. So I never use it anymore.

    --
    Nick Bensema <[email hidden]> AIM: NBensema
    ==== ======= ============== http://www.io.com/~nickb/

  7. John Kane said:
    Pennyaline said:

    I thought they all had number pads, too. The ones I've looked at do,
    except for the budget models which still have dials.

    Some of the very inexpensive ones only have a dial.

    And the -really- inexpensive ones have a wind-up key in the back.

    Dave "no no, the DOG has ticks!" "then we must FLEE!" DeLaney
    --
    \/David DeLaney posting from [email hidden] "It's not the pot that grows the flower
    It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
    Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
    http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.

  8. Adam Funk said:

    But first, I agree with the point that microwave ovens are generally
    for reheating rather than cooking as such --- with the exception of
    rice, for which the microwave is a legitimately easy cooking method.

    That doesnt add up to me, nukes are foor cooking as much as reheating.
    And rice I wouldn't do in a nuke.

    I think the main problem with them is that they are different and most
    people dont seem to have figured out how to make good results with
    them yet. A strange age of ignorance.

    The litle cookbooks that come with them dont seem to really get the
    message across. They only explain some things, and dont honestly point
    out the plusses and minuses, and hence what dishes are best done in
    what machine. They have at least gone part way in this respect, but
    show me even one such booklet that shows how to reheat pastry
    successfully in a nuke.

    Quoted message said:

    Also, why does the stupid thing have to beep EVERY TIME I press a
    button? I want it to beep ONCE ONLY --- to get my attention when it's
    finished.

    The keypad buttons are fairly unreliable, so it needs to let you know
    when its registered a keypress. Just a way of hiding a cheapass design
    issue.

    NT

  9. Doctroid <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Adam Funk said:

    The microwave my parents had when I was a kid had something like a
    numeric keypad on it,

    When *I* was a kid, the only microwave ovens around were the radar
    dishes my Dad worked on at GE. Uphill. Both ways.

    Quoted message said:


    And when I was a young adult, the only microwaves had mechanical dial
    timers. In the snow!


    Damn kids. WE had to harness microwave rays from the SUN!

  10. In alt.religion.kibology Doctroid said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    Adam Funk <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The microwave my parents had when I was a kid had something like a
    numeric keypad on it,

    Quoted message said:

    When *I* was a kid, the only microwave ovens around were the radar
    dishes my Dad worked on at GE. Uphill. Both ways.

    HAH!! When I was a kid, my Dad built this thing:

    http://www.raytheon.com/products/pave_paws/

    There's one of those monster phased-array radar arrays out on Cape
    Cod, and we went on a tour once, and the tour consisted of walking up
    and down a lot of staircases and hallways without seeing anything
    cool, unlike in 'WarGames'. We were still fascinated, because Dad
    told us about how one time some poor [censored] who was out on the
    window-washing-type scaffolding used to service the little antennae
    was out there doing his servicing job, and a pulse went out and cooked
    his insides and he died HOURS AND HOURS LATER. All these years later,
    I think that story was [censored]. I'd post a Google Maps link, but the
    whole place is pixelated out because it's supposed to be a BIG SECRET,
    even though you can see it from anywhere on the Cape.

    Also, since my Dad was a big Raytheon Guy, we had one of the biggest,
    baddest Amana RadarRange Microwave Ovens ever made. Unfortunately, my
    folks were completely lost when it came to what to do with a microwave
    oven. They would grill up some burgers briefly on the grille, and
    then to heat up the insides and melt the cheese, they would stick
    these seared burgers in a bun, with cheese and whatnot, and then nuke
    it at INFINITY for about 30 seconds or so. The result was that all
    the grease waiting to drip out of the burger ended up saturating the
    lower part of the bun, which made for a cheeseburger you needed to eat
    with a spoon.

    Partially as a result of this childhood trauma, I have relegated my
    microwave oven to the pile of stuff I probably should sell or just
    throw away. Any foodstuffs that have the recommended heating method
    of 'microwave' is probably full of fat and sodium. You might as well
    just fry up a pound of bacon. In a frying pan, goddammit.

    Join me!! Toss your microwave in the trash, and use a toaster oven or
    a real toaster or a real oven!! Microwaves are for SUCKERS!!!

    --
    "Soon, the name of Invader Zim will be synonymous with DOOKIE!!
    - Invader Zim

  11. * Terri wrote, On 25/07/07 09:54 PM:

    Quoted message said:

    Doctroid <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Adam Funk said:

    The microwave my parents had when I was a kid had something like a
    numeric keypad on it,


    When *I* was a kid, the only microwave ovens around were the radar
    dishes my Dad worked on at GE. Uphill. Both ways.

    Quoted message said:

    And when I was a young adult, the only microwaves had mechanical dial
    timers. In the snow!


    Damn kids. WE had to harness microwave rays from the SUN!

    BAH! From your own solar system?!
    WE had to borrow a sun to harness microwaves from!

    --

    anTon O'Masia [ antonomasia <at> gmail <dot> com ]

  12. Tom Kraemer said:

    I'd post a Google Maps link, but the
    whole place is pixelated out because it's supposed to be a BIG SECRET,
    even though you can see it from anywhere on the Cape.

    What happens if you take the Google Street Maps walking tour to a place where
    you can see the buildings from, and look in that direction? More pixellation?

    Dave
    --
    \/David DeLaney posting from [email hidden] "It's not the pot that grows the flower
    It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
    Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
    http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.

  13. Nick Bensema said:
    Quoted message said:

    It has a keypad and many functions. I thought they all had
    number keypads these days. I've never seen one that has
    what the OP describes. So, OP, it looks like you didn't do
    your homework and just bought the wrong mw oven. Go out and
    buy the right one! Sheesh!

    Maybe (as has been suggested) it's a regional thing.

    Quoted message said:

    and a "toast" button. Then my parents bought me a fancy-cheap
    toaster oven, with a little convection fan that makes things cook
    faster. Neat, but it has three knobs now: mode, timer, and
    temperature. If you want to toast, you have to first set the mode
    and temperature knobs to their "toast" setting, then move the timer
    past the 20-minute mark so it knows to turn the oven on, THEN move
    the timer to the desired toast darkness. And it always burns the
    toast, always always. So I never use it anymore.

    Toaster ovens have come up a few times recently in ARK. I haven't had
    one for a long time and I'm not sure they exist in the UK.

    I bought one for $5 at a yard sale ca. 1991, but I always unplugged it
    and made sure it had cooled down before leaving my apartment.

    --
    Nam Sibbyllam quidem Cumis ego ipse oculis meis vidi in ampulla
    pendere, et cum illi pueri dicerent: beable beable beable; respondebat
    illa: doidy doidy doidy. [plorkwort]

  14. Blinky the Shark said:
    Quoted message said:

    The microwave my parents had when I was a kid had something like
    a numeric keypad on it, so you could (for example) press
    2-3-0-start to zap something for two and a half minutes. Now
    you have to press the minute and ten-second buttons repeatedly.
    This annoys me. Bring back the numpad.

    The Panasonic I got three or four years ago has a keypad like you
    wish. 2-3-0 is a two and a half minutes. I *think* the Panasonics
    I've seen between then and now are like that.

    I'll look harder next time, but the one with these annoyances is still
    going (almost 10 years old, I think). I think this may be a local
    (UK) issue.

    --
    I worry that 10 or 15 years from now, [my daughter] will come to me
    and say 'Daddy, where were you when they took freedom of the press
    away from the Internet?'" --Mike Godwin, EFF http://www.eff.org/

  15. Quoted message said:
    Adam Funk said:

    But first, I agree with the point that microwave ovens are generally
    for reheating rather than cooking as such --- with the exception of
    rice, for which the microwave is a legitimately easy cooking method.

    That doesnt add up to me, nukes are foor cooking as much as reheating.
    And rice I wouldn't do in a nuke.

    I *only* do it in the mw now. It comes out absolutely
    perfect. It's so much easier and foolproof.

    The only time I wouldn't use the mw is if I were
    making risotto or something like that.

    Kate

    --
    Kate Connally
    “If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.”
    Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
    Until you bite their heads off.”
    What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?
    [email hidden]

  16. Adam Funk said:
    Blinky the Shark said:
    Quoted message said:

    The microwave my parents had when I was a kid had something like
    a numeric keypad on it, so you could (for example) press
    2-3-0-start to zap something for two and a half minutes. Now
    you have to press the minute and ten-second buttons repeatedly.
    This annoys me. Bring back the numpad.

    The Panasonic I got three or four years ago has a keypad like you
    wish. 2-3-0 is a two and a half minutes. I *think* the Panasonics
    I've seen between then and now are like that.

    I'll look harder next time, but the one with these annoyances is still
    going (almost 10 years old, I think). I think this may be a local
    (UK) issue.

    I am in UK and I have had Panasonics for about 20 years and they have both
    had keypads

  17. Tom Kraemer <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:


    Partially as a result of this childhood trauma, I have relegated my
    microwave oven to the pile of stuff I probably should sell or just
    throw away. Any foodstuffs that have the recommended heating method
    of 'microwave' is probably full of fat and sodium. You might as well
    just fry up a pound of bacon. In a frying pan, goddammit.

    Join me!! Toss your microwave in the trash, and use a toaster oven or
    a real toaster or a real oven!!

    I had a toaster oven that I loved but it died. I got a cheap toaster
    to take it's place that burns the living [censored] out of everything I
    put in it. So now I just put rocks in the hot sun and wait for them to
    heat up before toasting my bread on the rocks.

    Microwaves are for SUCKERS!!!

    Quoted message said:


    I like your revolution and would like to join but mine microwave is
    installed into the framework of the upper cabinets above the oven
    and trashing it would result in a gaping hole. Have no fear though,
    I only use it for heating & thawing items as actual cooking in it makes
    the food taste like [censored].

  18. Kate Connally said:
    Gini said:

    "Kate Connally" wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Doctroid wrote:

    > Adam Funk wrote:
    >
    >
    >> The microwave my parents had when I was a kid had something like a
    >> numeric keypad on it,
    >
    > When *I* was a kid, the only microwave ovens around were the radar
    > dishes my Dad worked on at GE. Uphill. Both ways.


    ==
    I thought the beeper could be turned off on all of them--as it is on
    my very cheap, BOTL Kenmore.

    Huh????? Where did that come from? What beeper?

    Kate

    CROSSPOSTING DELETED

    The OP is complaining about when you press each number on the keypad it goes
    "beep". Mine does, but I don't get all worked up about it 🙂

    Jill

  19. "Tom Kraemer" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Partially as a result of this childhood trauma, I have relegated my
    microwave oven to the pile of stuff I probably should sell or just
    throw away. Any foodstuffs that have the recommended heating method
    of 'microwave' is probably full of fat and sodium. You might as well
    just fry up a pound of bacon. In a frying pan, goddammit.

    Join me!! Toss your microwave in the trash, and use a toaster oven or
    a real toaster or a real oven!! Microwaves are for SUCKERS!!!

    Once, while drunk, I tried to poach an egg in a microwave.
    It exploded. I now know how to coat a microwave's insides
    with egg matter. McGiver ain't got nothin' on me. I did
    eventually figure out how to poach an egg in a microwave,
    but it's far simpler to boil water on a stove.

    I use it for heating water to make instant coffee, and for
    cooking Healthy Choice frozen dinners. And the occaisonal
    Hormel Chili. As such, it is an "eco-friendly" mechanism
    for heating certain products. For actual cooking of real
    food, microwaves are fairly useless. Nuking pastry type
    stuff for 10-20 seconds to reheat it is useful, but it is
    real easy to nuke it too long making it SOGGY.

    Rubbery and soggy are microwave trademarks. Bread abhores
    a microwave, but not cooked pasta, which is soggy pretty
    much by definition. Hot Pockets actually figured out how
    to crisp in a microwave, but I can't afford to eat those
    grease bombs anymore health-wise.

    Good toaster ovens rock, but for toast I use a toaster.
    Right tool for the job and all that.

    --oTTo--

  20. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Terri said:

    I like your revolution and would like to join but mine microwave is
    installed into the framework of the upper cabinets above the oven
    and trashing it would result in a gaping hole. Have no fear though,
    I only use it for heating & thawing items as actual cooking in it makes
    the food taste like [censored].

    Then you are using it properly and it is providing useful service.

    Unlike TomK who still doesn't geddit. I mean he is not using a
    microwave properly, or in fact at all; not that he is not providing
    useful service. Which he isn't, but that's not the point.

    --
    - Doctroid Doctroid Holmes
    It's too confused to make sense, so let's make nonsense.
    -- Chris McG.

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