Mixing Creatine with Protein Powder

Actually, mixing protein, creatine, and fructose and taking them post
workout is probably the best way to utilze creatine. You should read up
on post workout nutrition.

-Steve
[email hidden]

Rufus Shue said:

I have a big jug of Creatine and I hate having to add it into drinks, so I
mixed in several scoops with the protein powder I drink. That way I only
have to deal with one jug instead of two.

Can the creatine lose anything by doing that, or does it matter?

Steve said:

Actually, mixing protein, creatine, and fructose and taking them post
workout is probably the best way to utilze creatine. You should read up
on post workout nutrition.

Fructose alone is not an optimal method for obtaining the requisite
insulin response. Glucose, sucrose, HFCS55, or HFCS42 are preferable.

Consuming the mixture *throughout* the workout may also be preferable.
See:

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.fitness.weights/msg/a2d2b335a721dced

"JMW" <[email hidden]> schreef:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Actually, mixing protein, creatine, and fructose and taking them post
workout is probably the best way to utilze creatine. You should read up
on post workout nutrition.

Quoted message said:

Fructose alone is not an optimal method for obtaining the requisite
insulin response. Glucose, sucrose, HFCS55, or HFCS42 are preferable.

Difficult to argue with, isnt it Steve?

----
Pete

"Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

"JMW" <[email hidden]> schreef:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Actually, mixing protein, creatine, and fructose and taking them post
workout is probably the best way to utilze creatine. You should read up
on post workout nutrition.

Quoted message said:

Fructose alone is not an optimal method for obtaining the requisite
insulin response. Glucose, sucrose, HFCS55, or HFCS42 are preferable.

Difficult to argue with, isnt it Steve?

I think I'll send the $35 to John instead of Steve.

David

Cohen said:

"Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

"JMW" <[email hidden]> schreef:

Quoted message said:

>Actually, mixing protein, creatine, and fructose and taking them post
>workout is probably the best way to utilze creatine. You should read up
>on post workout nutrition.

Quoted message said:

Fructose alone is not an optimal method for obtaining the requisite
insulin response. Glucose, sucrose, HFCS55, or HFCS42 are preferable.

Difficult to argue with, isnt it Steve?

I think I'll send the $35 to John instead of Steve.

David

I think I'll save my $35 and continue to mix whatever the hell I like
in my blender without input from either Steve or John. Last night it
was whey protein, egg whites, creatine, nonfat milk, and... a Twix bar.

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

If you can tell me the difference between glucose, sucroase, HFCS55,
and HFCS42 without looking it up, and name at least 1 natural source of
each, then I'll agree with you

Pete said:

"JMW" <[email hidden]> schreef:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Actually, mixing protein, creatine, and fructose and taking them post
workout is probably the best way to utilze creatine. You should read up
on post workout nutrition.

Quoted message said:

Fructose alone is not an optimal method for obtaining the requisite
insulin response. Glucose, sucrose, HFCS55, or HFCS42 are preferable.

Difficult to argue with, isnt it Steve?

----
Pete

"Steve" <[email hidden]> schreef:

Quoted message said:

If you can tell me the difference between glucose, sucroase, HFCS55,
and HFCS42 without looking it up, and name at least 1 natural source of
each, then I'll agree with you

I cant. Never said i could either.
And i wont even bother to look it up.

I have the tendency to look up things i can apply.
So far, i have been doing well with a combination of lactose and fructose.
At this moment, i see no reason to really dig deep inside this complex
matter.

Maybe in the near future, but not now.

----
Pete

Steve said:

Pete said:

"JMW" <[email hidden]> schreef:

Quoted message said:

>Actually, mixing protein, creatine, and fructose and taking them post
>workout is probably the best way to utilze creatine. You should read up
>on post workout nutrition.

Quoted message said:

Fructose alone is not an optimal method for obtaining the requisite
insulin response. Glucose, sucrose, HFCS55, or HFCS42 are preferable.

Difficult to argue with, isnt it Steve?

If you can tell me the difference between glucose, sucroase, HFCS55,
and HFCS42 without looking it up, and name at least 1 natural source of
each, then I'll agree with you

You don't know the difference? How did you get to be a certified
nutritionist?

I assume you realize that the human body pretty much runs on glucose.
Natural sources? Well, the one best known would be corn syrup. Good
ol' Karo, Steve. And sucrose? That's table sugar, Steve. It's a
disaccharide consisting of a 50/50 glucose-fructose mix, joined by a
glycosidic bond. But don't worry, Steve, because sucrase in the gut
does a handy job of breaking it down into its individual
monosaccharides. HFCS stands for "high fructose corn syrup" which
comes from -- yeah, you guessed it, Steve -- corn! But the essentially
pure glucose in corn syrup doesn't taste nearly as sweet as good ol'
table sugar, so the producers toss in an additional enzyme to convert
part of the glucose to fructose. That will get them HFCS42, which is
42% fructose. Another step, that involves stripping off the fructose,
will get them the super-sweet HFCS90 (that's 90% fructose) which is
used in instant drink mixes, but I don't recommend it for the purposes
discussed here. Then adding that back into the HFCS42 can produce
HFCS55, 55% fructose, which is used in good old soda pop, including
CocaCola.

There, Steve, I hope I have supplemented your understanding of simple
carbohydrates in areas where your certified nutritionist education
appears to have been lacking. Of course, if you had actually reviewed
my postings in this newsgroup, like you claim you did, you would have
seen that I previously discussed this matter not more than a few months
ago, which is why I didn't need to look it up.

HTH

"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Steve said:

Pete said:

"JMW" <[email hidden]> schreef:

>>Actually, mixing protein, creatine, and fructose and taking them post
>>workout is probably the best way to utilze creatine. You should read
>>up
>>on post workout nutrition.

> Fructose alone is not an optimal method for obtaining the requisite
> insulin response. Glucose, sucrose, HFCS55, or HFCS42 are
> preferable.

Difficult to argue with, isnt it Steve?

If you can tell me the difference between glucose, sucroase, HFCS55,
and HFCS42 without looking it up, and name at least 1 natural source of
each, then I'll agree with you

You don't know the difference? How did you get to be a certified
nutritionist?

Sent $35 to some website and got a ready-for-framing certificate?

David

"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Steve said:

Pete wrote:
> "JMW" <[email hidden]> schreef:
>
> >>Actually, mixing protein, creatine, and fructose and taking them
> >>post
> >>workout is probably the best way to utilze creatine. You should
> >>read up
> >>on post workout nutrition.
>
> > Fructose alone is not an optimal method for obtaining the
> > requisite
> > insulin response. Glucose, sucrose, HFCS55, or HFCS42 are
> > preferable.
>
> Difficult to argue with, isnt it Steve?

If you can tell me the difference between glucose, sucroase, HFCS55,
and HFCS42 without looking it up, and name at least 1 natural source
of
each, then I'll agree with you

You don't know the difference? How did you get to be a certified
nutritionist?

Sent $35 to some website and got a ready-for-framing certificate?

Being a certified nutritionist seems a lot like being a certified
personal trainer, doesn't it? I wish that wasn't the case but it seems
that experience and common sense are more valuable than anything they
teach in either certification process. (I'm in the process of re-upping
my NSCA CPT - what they will allow for continuing education credits is
laughable - I need 4 credits, but I can take .5 credits per year for
"personal enrichment" activities which includes browsing fitness-related
web sites, reading fitness-related materials, and, God forbid,
participating in mfw.)

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

UH OH, someone's been readin wikipedia again. Dude that comment was for
Curt. Table sugar as you know comes from crushed, boiled, centrifuged,
washed, bleached, washed again, crystalized (think undigestable), then
dryed. It's really health stuff, no wonder I forgot to advise using it.
Also if you honestly think corn syrup, and even HFCS are natural, then
I have news for you: Crack is natural too! But hey it's cool with me
if you want to mix your creatine and protein with lots of table sugar
and corn syrup. I might even fly first class to your funeral.

So regardless of you reading a couple of silly articles you used google
to find, you still haven't answered my question.

JMW said:

Steve said:

Pete said:

"JMW" <[email hidden]> schreef:

>>Actually, mixing protein, creatine, and fructose and taking them post
>>workout is probably the best way to utilze creatine. You should read up
>>on post workout nutrition.

> Fructose alone is not an optimal method for obtaining the requisite
> insulin response. Glucose, sucrose, HFCS55, or HFCS42 are preferable.

Difficult to argue with, isnt it Steve?

If you can tell me the difference between glucose, sucroase, HFCS55,
and HFCS42 without looking it up, and name at least 1 natural source of
each, then I'll agree with you

You don't know the difference? How did you get to be a certified
nutritionist?

I assume you realize that the human body pretty much runs on glucose.
Natural sources? Well, the one best known would be corn syrup. Good
ol' Karo, Steve. And sucrose? That's table sugar, Steve. It's a
disaccharide consisting of a 50/50 glucose-fructose mix, joined by a
glycosidic bond. But don't worry, Steve, because sucrase in the gut
does a handy job of breaking it down into its individual
monosaccharides. HFCS stands for "high fructose corn syrup" which
comes from -- yeah, you guessed it, Steve -- corn! But the essentially
pure glucose in corn syrup doesn't taste nearly as sweet as good ol'
table sugar, so the producers toss in an additional enzyme to convert
part of the glucose to fructose. That will get them HFCS42, which is
42% fructose. Another step, that involves stripping off the fructose,
will get them the super-sweet HFCS90 (that's 90% fructose) which is
used in instant drink mixes, but I don't recommend it for the purposes
discussed here. Then adding that back into the HFCS42 can produce
HFCS55, 55% fructose, which is used in good old soda pop, including
CocaCola.

There, Steve, I hope I have supplemented your understanding of simple
carbohydrates in areas where your certified nutritionist education
appears to have been lacking. Of course, if you had actually reviewed
my postings in this newsgroup, like you claim you did, you would have
seen that I previously discussed this matter not more than a few months
ago, which is why I didn't need to look it up.

HTH

"Steve" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

UH OH, someone's been readin wikipedia again. Dude that comment was for
Curt. Table sugar as you know comes from crushed, boiled, centrifuged,
washed, bleached, washed again, crystalized (think undigestable),

Table sugar is undigestible?

Diabetics of the world, rejoice! The spamming MLM crook moron has just made
your dietary choices MUCH tastier.

David

"Steve" <[email hidden]> schreef:

Quoted message said:

UH OH, someone's been readin wikipedia again. Dude that comment was for
Curt.

Then why did you reply to post of John instead of Curt?

I believe you did sommething similair to me a few days ago.

Quoted message said:

Table sugar as you know comes from crushed, boiled, centrifuged,
washed, bleached, washed again, crystalized (think undigestable), then
dryed. It's really health stuff, no wonder I forgot to advise using it.
Also if you honestly think corn syrup, and even HFCS are natural, then
I have news for you: Crack is natural too!

I dont think that nutrition should be a matter of natural opr unnatural. It
should be about optimum results/health.
Everything we eat/drink is processed up to a point. Hell, drinking fruit
juice is "unnatural."

Eating Oranges in most countries should be considered unnatural.

Eating sea- fish when you live 100 miles from the coast is unnatural.

----
Pete

Rufus Shue said:

I have a big jug of Creatine and I hate having to add it into drinks, so
I mixed in several scoops with the protein powder I drink. That way I
only have to deal with one jug instead of two.

Everyone so far has interpreted this question as being about taking
protein and creatine together, but it seems to me that it's not - Rufus is
already doing that, he just wants to pre-mix the powders in one jar to
save some time over mixing them every time he makes a drink. Is that
right?

Quoted message said:

Can the creatine lose anything by doing that, or does it matter?

If the powder's dry, it should certainly be fine. My only concern would be
that the creatine and protein powder might not mix evenly; the creatine
particles are a lot finer, so over time, they'll sink to the bottom (or
rise to the top, one of the two) rather than staying mixed in. Giving the
jar a good stir or tumble every time should prevent that.

tom

--
i'm prepared to do anything as long as someone else works out how to do
it and gives me simple instructions... -- Sean

"Tom Anderson" <> Everyone so far has interpreted this question as being
about taking

Quoted message said:

protein and creatine together, but it seems to me that it's not - Rufus is

already doing that, he just wants to pre-mix the powders in one jar to save
some time over mixing them every time he makes a drink. Is that right?>

You apparently are the only person here that has passed reading
comprehension!!! Yes. I just wanted to know if I can toss a few scoops of
creatine into the protein powder.

Thanks!

Steve said:

UH OH, someone's been readin wikipedia again. Dude that comment was for
Curt. Table sugar as you know comes from crushed, boiled, centrifuged,
washed, bleached, washed again, crystalized (think undigestable), then
dryed. It's really health stuff, no wonder I forgot to advise using it.
Also if you honestly think corn syrup, and even HFCS are natural, then
I have news for you: Crack is natural too! But hey it's cool with me
if you want to mix your creatine and protein with lots of table sugar
and corn syrup. I might even fly first class to your funeral.

So regardless of you reading a couple of silly articles you used google
to find, you still haven't answered my question.

Golly, Steve, I really don't know why I would need Google and
Wikipedia to look this stuff up, since I been through that same
discussion with every ignoramus like you who comes into this newsgroup
discussing "natural" sugars. Go check the "Warrior Diet" thread from
just two weeks ago.

Oh, wait ... you've only been reading this newgroup for a couple of
days. You came here and thought you would be an instant guru. Sorry
it didn't work out the way you planned.

JMW said:

Steve said:

UH OH, someone's been readin wikipedia again. Dude that comment was for
Curt. Table sugar as you know comes from crushed, boiled, centrifuged,
washed, bleached, washed again, crystalized (think undigestable), then
dryed. It's really health stuff, no wonder I forgot to advise using it.
Also if you honestly think corn syrup, and even HFCS are natural, then
I have news for you: Crack is natural too! But hey it's cool with me
if you want to mix your creatine and protein with lots of table sugar
and corn syrup. I might even fly first class to your funeral.

So regardless of you reading a couple of silly articles you used google
to find, you still haven't answered my question.

Golly, Steve, I really don't know why I would need Google and
Wikipedia to look this stuff up, since I been through that same
discussion with every ignoramus like you who comes into this newsgroup
discussing "natural" sugars. Go check the "Warrior Diet" thread from
just two weeks ago.

Oh, wait ... you've only been reading this newgroup for a couple of
days. You came here and thought you would be an instant guru. Sorry
it didn't work out the way you planned.

There is really only room for one "guru" at MFW, and Emmy fights for
the 'territory' with obsessive vigour, and sees any newcomer as a real
threat!

Guru?

BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... etc...

Have a great weekend you despotic little guru you - you know I intend
to! ;o)

TFIF!;

On 8 Jun 2006 23:55:42 -0700, "Steve" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

UH OH, someone's been readin wikipedia again. Dude that comment was for
Curt. Table sugar as you know comes from crushed, boiled, centrifuged,
washed, bleached, washed again, crystalized (think undigestable), then
dryed. It's really health stuff, no wonder I forgot to advise using it.
Also if you honestly think corn syrup, and even HFCS are natural, then
I have news for you: Crack is natural too! But hey it's cool with me
if you want to mix your creatine and protein with lots of table sugar
and corn syrup. I might even fly first class to your funeral.

You're an idiot.

I'm almost certain this is not the sort of publicity you were hoping
for your site.

Ellis

Steve said:

UH OH, someone's been readin wikipedia again.

I love Wiki almost as much as Google. Urban Dictionary's another fan
fav.

Quoted message said:

Dude that comment was for Curt.

Dude, I hate the word dude. But, yeah, thanks for using me in your war
against all things JDW (whatever).

Quoted message said:

Table sugar as you know comes from crushed, boiled, centrifuged,
washed, bleached, washed again, crystalized (think undigestable), then
dryed. It's really health stuff, no wonder I forgot to advise using it.
Also if you honestly think corn syrup, and even HFCS are natural, then
I have news for you: Crack is natural too! But hey it's cool with me
if you want to mix your creatine and protein with lots of table sugar
and corn syrup. I might even fly first class to your funeral.

And there are lots of ways to die. I suspect that table sugar is low
on most lists of potential life enders.

Quoted message said:

So regardless of you reading a couple of silly articles you used
google to find<snip>

Hey! I resemble that remark. ;o)

--
Curt