Modifying Brooks saddles

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I have been looking at this great site:-
http://www.wallbike.com/content/butchering.html
for a while and wondered if there may be other, similar sites.

My searches haven't found one so, if you have a link to another one,
I'd appreciate it.

Thanks.

Lewis.

http://www.selleanatomica.com

Gary Jacobson
Rosendale, NY

Quoted message said:

I have been looking at this great site:- http://www.wallbike.com/content/butchering.html
for a while and wondered if there may be other, similar sites.

My searches haven't found one so, if you have a link to another one,
I'd appreciate it.

Thanks.

Lewis.

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Unfortunately the pictures from this thread have been dropped though I
saved the page as an IE mht file with images.
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=49482

Also -
http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/articles/brooks.htm

MkTm said:

Quoted message said:

I have been looking at this great site:- http://www.wallbike.com/content/butchering.html
for a while and wondered if there may be other, similar sites.

Quoted message said:

My searches haven't found one so, if you have a link to another one,
I'd appreciate it.

Quoted message said:

Thanks.

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Lewis.

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*****

Unfortunately the pictures from this thread have been dropped though I
saved the page as an IE mht file with images.http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=49482

Also -http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/articles/brooks.htm

Thanks for the help.

I almost feel like kicking myself in the butt now. I ride a fixie
most of the time and look through 'fixedgeargallery' on a regular
basis but missed this particular article.

Kind regards.

Lewis.

*****

Per Gary Jacobson:

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http://www.selleanatomica.com

Per one of the pages:
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"What are the fundamental issues within the pelvic region anatomy of women and
men in motion that make saddle comfort so universally challenging?
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One of those issues has got to be sit bone width.

But I was unable to find any dimensions at all in their product descriptions.

Was I looking right at them and didn't see? Anybody?

Being a Brooks B-17 user who is just a teeny bit wider than 170mm, I was quite
interested...
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PeteCresswell

(PeteCresswell) said:

Per Gary Jacobson:

Quoted message said:

http://www.selleanatomica.com

Per one of the pages:
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"What are the fundamental issues within the pelvic region anatomy of women and
men in motion that make saddle comfort so universally challenging?
--------------------------------

One of those issues has got to be sit bone width.

But I was unable to find any dimensions at all in their product descriptions.

Was I looking right at them and didn't see? Anybody?

Being a Brooks B-17 user who is just a teeny bit wider than 170mm, I was quite
interested...

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From the downloadable pdf -
http://www.selleanatomica.com/Saddle%20Brochure%20Interbike%202005.pdf

Titanico -
Our widest, most comfortable platform. 154mm x 291mm

Robusto -
Medium width, long distance comfort. 144mm x 295mm

Settebello -
Narrow sport and racing platform. 134mm x 295mm

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http://www.mcmwin.com/faq.htm
Titanico is our widest at 145-155mm, offering the most accommodating sit
bone contact area.

Robusto is medium wide at 135-145mm.

Settebello is our narrow model at 125-135mm.

Slot shapes - LD, ED-S & ED Patent Pending designs.

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SADDLE WIDTH: Saddle width is the most challenging aspect of choosing a
traditionally made saddle wherein the molded base is rigid and
inflexible so the fit your pelvic region and sit bones is hyper
critical. Rider height, weight and skeletal structure is not necessarily
the best width selection predetermination. The widest weight bearing
region across the rear of a saddle is the most important dimension where
riding comfort is concerned, assuming the saddle in question is a well
engineered and constructed of the finest, most suitable material held in
suspension. Measuring your sit bones is problematic. The pelvis is a
flexible, hinged structure and the ischial tuberosities (sit bones) are
very irregular shapes. Depending on your body orientation when trying to
measure sit bone width, you may not find the ideal sit bone contact
patch and you may get a false measurement that is slightly too wide or
too narrow.

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Wider is NOT better. Dr. Underhill has discovered that many

cyclists live with chronic deep tissue injuries, what she also calls
insult injures. This particular injury seems to be an unknown or
certainly overlooked aspect of cycling, saddles, and medicine. For all
of us who ride regularly and suffer ill fitting saddles, saddles made of
less that perfect materials, saddles poorly adjusted on the bike, these
aches and pains we put up with in our nether regions do in fact become
chronic injuries that need to be treated. Sitting on an ice pack or
freezer gel pack after a ride, and once or twice day in general to calm
and ultimately heal the inflammation injuries is helpful. Dr. Underhill
stumbled onto this cyclist condition wherein I rode a primary saddle for
15-20 ultra distance events during a year. While the saddle seemed
comfortable, I developed a mysterious lump on one side in my shorts, so
I thought. That saddle proved to be too wide from me in the end. The
lump I thought was in my shorts at first was in fact a slowly developing
hematoma near the hamstring tendon attachment which is within the
pelvis. This tendon passes under the edge of the ischial tuberosity
where aggravation can take place if riding a saddle that is too wide.
After many weeks of two to three time a day freezer gel pack treatments
that injury seemed to be cured. About one year later I was compelled to
make two 50 miles tests of that same width saddle. The old, supposedly
treated injury flared up during the second ride. Once Dr. Underhill
observed these events in my body, she found that nearly every cyclist
she treated suffers from this type of injury. It is only a matter of
degrees. Piriformis muscles also tend to be in a constant state of spasm
on cyclists, which aggravates various undercarriage issues. We developed
a muscle energy counter strain technique to address this condition. I
use that technique as part of a specific stretching and strengthening
routine prior to getting on the bike. I don’t ride without it!

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piriformis: a muscle that arises from the front of the

sacrum, passes out of the pelvis through the greater sciatic foramen, is
inserted into the upper border of the greater trochanter of the femur,
and rotates the thigh laterally [piriformis illustration] Courtesy
MedLine Plus® Merriman Webster online.
http://www2.merriam-webster.com/mw/art/med/muscle.htm

It is possible you need help fitting yourself to your bike, especially
if you are uncomfortable on your current saddle and if you suffer from
genital numbness, saddle sores or abrasions, hand numbness, shoulder
pain, etc. You will find our proprietary saddle and handlebar adjustment
instructions and record keeping forms helpful.
http://www.mcmwin.com/accessory%20shop.htm

You may be interested to read our Letter to the Editor regarding female
& male specific saddle design.
http://www.mcmwin.com/BRAIN%20Gender%20Based%20Injuries%20061405.pdf
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http://www.selleanatomica.com/Product%20Info.htm

We state widths as a range due to the unique conforming nature of our
suspended leather design.

Titanico is our widest at 145-155mm, offering the largest seat surface
area to support you.

Robusto is medium wide at 135-145mm.

Settebello is our narrow model at 125-135mm.

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Per MkTm:

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Titanico is our widest at 145-155mm, offering the largest seat surface
area to support you.

Is that the max width or the sit bone spacing they're designed for?

If the first, it sounds like I'm a Megatanico or even a Gigatanico.

The sit bone dents on my Brooks' are spaced almost exactly 5 inches
center-to-center.

5 * 25.4 ==> 127mm.

But having the sit bones on the very edge of a saddle doesn't work and I find
that the B-17 at 170mm is just barely wide enough. Always seemed to me like it
needed another quarter of an inch.

170mm - 127mm ==> 43 mm.
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PeteCresswell

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Per Gary Jacobson:

Quoted message said:

http://www.selleanatomica.com

(PeteCresswell) said:

Per one of the pages:
--------------------------------
"What are the fundamental issues within the pelvic region anatomy of women and
men in motion that make saddle comfort so universally challenging?
--------------------------------
One of those issues has got to be sit bone width.
But I was unable to find any dimensions at all in their product descriptions.
Was I looking right at them and didn't see? Anybody?
Being a Brooks B-17 user who is just a teeny bit wider than 170mm, I was quite
interested...

their models are Wide 154mm x291, Medium 144x291, Narrow 134x295

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Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971