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Tcomeau · 2003-12-19T03:58:06+00:00

TC will not belive it. Since it is .gov site it is all part of his conspiracy theory. Ack! Good point on the conspirisy theory. ;-) To save him a few keystrokes: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Successful weight loss maintenance. Wing RR, Hill JO. The Miriam Hospital, Brown University, Providence, Rhode Island 02906, USA. Obesity is now recognized as a serious chronic disease, but there is pessimism about how successful treatment can be. A general perception is that almost no one succeeds in long-term maintenance of weight loss. To define long-term weight loss success, we need an accepted definition. We propose defining successful long-term weight loss maintenance as intentionally losing at least 10% of initial body weight and keeping it off for at least 1 year. According to this definition, the picture is much more optimistic, with perhaps greater than 20% of overweight/obese persons able to achieve success. We found that in the National Weight Control Registry, successful long-term weight loss maintainers (average weight loss of 30 kg for an average of 5.5 years) share common behavioral strategies, including eating a diet low in fat, frequent self-monitoring of body weight and food intake, and high levels of regular physical activity. Weight loss maintenance may get easier over time. Once these successful maintainers have maintained a weight loss for 2-5 years, the chances of longer-term success greatly increase. You are right. I won't believe it. Ya know why? Here is a little bit of info about Wing RR and Hill JO, the two auhtors of the above study. Damned if they aren't on the payroll of big pharma and the food industry too. ************************ Rena R. Wing, Ph.D., U. of Pittsburgh School of Medicine. Consultant to and received research support from Lilly Pharmaceuticals, is on Weight Watchers Advisory Board; has received research support from Ross Laboratories and ILSI. (Newark Star-Ledger, 2/17/97 notes Eli Lilly, WW) James O. Hill, Ph.D., Professor of Pediatrics and Director, Center for Human Nutrition at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, Denver, CO. Research support from Amgen, Hoffman- LaRoche, Procter & Gamble, and Knoll Pharmaceuticals; has received consultant fees from Knoll, Roche Laboratories, International Life Sciences Institute, and Procter & Gamble and is a consultant to the Duke Diet and Fitness Center. (Newark Star-Ledger, 2/17/97). President, North American Association for the Study of Obesity. (USA Today, 9/1/98) Lead author of a study on olestra supported by a grant from Procter & Gamble. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 1998;67:1178-85) Co-wrote (with Barbara Rolls) a 1998 report for ILSI on "Carbohydrates and Weight Management." Participated in a 3/25/99 panel assembled by the Sugar Association to inform New York magazine editors about obesity, calories, and activity. (Sugar Association's 1999 annual report, http://www.foodingredientsonline.com; accessed 03/30/99) Research on the effects of covert substitution of olestra for conventional fat on spontaneous food intake supported by Procter & Gamble. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 1998;67:1178-85) Research on the role of carbohydrates in weight management was supported by the Sugar Association. (Letter from Sugar Association to USDA; on file with CSPI; 4/16/99) Research on using Orlistat for weight maintenance funded by Hoffmann-La Roche. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 1999;69:1108-16) Member of the Foodfit.com advisory board. (http://www.foodfit.com/about/advisoryBoard.asp; accessed 11/11/00) Research on weight management supported in part by Abbott Laboratories. (J. Amer. Coll. Nutr. 2001;20:26-31) Member of the McDonald's Corporation Global Advisory Council on Healthy Lifestyles; formed to "help guide the company on activities that address the need for balanced, healthy lifestyles." (http://www.mcdonalds.com/corporate/press/corporate/2003/05212003/; accessed 6/23/03) Receives consulting fees from HealtheTech, Johnson & Johnson, Procter & Gamble, and Coca-Cola. Receives speakers fees from Abbott Laboratories, Roche Laboratories, and Kraft Foods. Receives research funding from M&M Mars. (N. Engl. J. Med. 2003:348;2082-2090) Member of the expert advisory board for the American Council for Fitness and Nutrition. (http://www.acfn.org/about/advisory.html; accessed 10/31/03) ***************** No conspiracy here, eh? It has been pretty consistent that whenever a "researcher" puts out a study that attacks low-carb or supports low-fat, there is always funding from the pharma or the food industry. I challenge anyone to find *ONE* that isn't. TC

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Tcomeau
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19 December 2003, 03:58 UTC #1

Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
TC will not belive it. Since it is .gov site it is all part of his conspiracy theory.
Ack! Good point on the conspirisy theory. ;-)
Quoted message said:
To save him a few keystrokes:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Successful weight loss maintenance.
Wing RR, Hill JO.
The Miriam Hospital, Brown University, Providence, Rhode Island 02906, USA.
Obesity is now recognized as a serious chronic disease, but there is pessimism about how
successful treatment can be. A general perception is that almost no one succeeds in long-term
maintenance of weight loss. To define long-term weight loss success, we need an accepted
definition. We propose defining successful long-term weight loss maintenance as intentionally
losing at least 10% of initial body weight and keeping it off for at least 1 year. According to
this definition, the picture is much more optimistic, with perhaps greater than 20% of
overweight/obese persons able to achieve success. We found that in the National Weight Control
Registry, successful long-term weight loss maintainers (average weight loss of 30 kg for an
average of 5.5 years) share common behavioral strategies, including eating a diet low in fat,
frequent self-monitoring of body weight and food intake, and high levels of regular physical
activity. Weight loss maintenance may get easier over time. Once these successful maintainers
have maintained a weight loss for 2-5 years, the chances of longer-term success greatly
increase.
You are right. I won't believe it. Ya know why? Here is a little bit of info about Wing RR and Hill
JO, the two auhtors of the above study. Damned if they aren't on the payroll of big pharma and the
food industry too.
************************
Rena R. Wing, Ph.D., U. of Pittsburgh School of Medicine. Consultant to and received research
support from Lilly Pharmaceuticals, is on Weight Watchers Advisory Board; has received research
support from Ross Laboratories and ILSI. (Newark Star-Ledger, 2/17/97 notes Eli Lilly, WW)
James O. Hill, Ph.D., Professor of Pediatrics and Director, Center for Human Nutrition at the
University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, Denver, CO. Research support from Amgen, Hoffman-
LaRoche, Procter & Gamble, and Knoll Pharmaceuticals; has received consultant fees from Knoll, Roche
Laboratories, International Life Sciences Institute, and Procter & Gamble and is a consultant to the
Duke Diet and Fitness Center. (Newark Star-Ledger, 2/17/97). President, North American Association
for the Study of Obesity. (USA Today, 9/1/98) Lead author of a study on olestra supported by a grant
from Procter & Gamble. (Am.
J. Clin. Nutr. 1998;67:1178-85) Co-wrote (with Barbara Rolls) a 1998 report for ILSI on
"Carbohydrates and Weight Management." Participated in a 3/25/99 panel assembled by the Sugar
Association to inform New York magazine editors about obesity, calories, and activity. (Sugar
Association's 1999 annual report, foodingredientsonline.comfoodingredientsonline.com; accessed 03/30/99)
Research on the effects of covert substitution of olestra for conventional fat on spontaneous
food intake supported by Procter & Gamble. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 1998;67:1178-85) Research on the
role of carbohydrates in weight management was supported by the Sugar Association. (Letter from
Sugar Association to USDA; on file with CSPI; 4/16/99) Research on using Orlistat for weight
maintenance funded by Hoffmann-La Roche. (Am. J.
Clin. Nutr. 1999;69:1108-16) Member of the Foodfit.com advisory board.
(foodfit.comadvisoryBoard.asp; accessed 11/11/00) Research on weight
management supported in part by Abbott Laboratories. (J. Amer. Coll. Nutr. 2001;20:26-31)
Member of the McDonald's Corporation Global Advisory Council on Healthy Lifestyles; formed to
"help guide the company on activities that address the need for balanced, healthy lifestyles."
(mcdonalds.com05212003; accessed 6/23/03) Receives
consulting fees from HealtheTech, Johnson & Johnson, Procter & Gamble, and Coca-Cola. Receives
speakers fees from Abbott Laboratories, Roche Laboratories, and Kraft Foods. Receives research
funding from M&M Mars. (N. Engl. J. Med. 2003:348;2082-2090) Member of the expert advisory
board for the American Council for Fitness and Nutrition.
(acfn.orgadvisory.html; accessed 10/31/03)
*****************
No conspiracy here, eh? It has been pretty consistent that whenever a "researcher" puts out a
study that attacks low-carb or supports low-fat, there is always funding from the pharma or the
food industry.
I challenge anyone to find *ONE* that isn't.
TC

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Tcomeau
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19 December 2003, 19:22 UTC #2

[email hidden] (tcomeau) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
TC will not belive it. Since it is .gov site it is all part of his conspiracy theory.
Ack! Good point on the conspirisy theory. ;-)
Quoted message said:
To save him a few keystrokes:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Successful weight loss maintenance.
Wing RR, Hill JO.
The Miriam Hospital, Brown University, Providence, Rhode Island 02906, USA.
Obesity is now recognized as a serious chronic disease, but there is pessimism about how
successful treatment can be. A general perception is that almost no one succeeds in long-term
maintenance of weight loss. To define long-term weight loss success, we need an accepted
definition. We propose defining successful long-term weight loss maintenance as intentionally
losing at least 10% of initial body weight and keeping it off for at least 1 year. According
to this definition, the picture is much more optimistic, with perhaps greater than 20% of
overweight/obese persons able to achieve success. We found that in the National Weight Control
Registry, successful long-term weight loss maintainers (average weight loss of 30 kg for an
average of 5.5 years) share common behavioral strategies, including eating a diet low in fat,
frequent self-monitoring of body weight and food intake, and high levels of regular physical
activity. Weight loss maintenance may get easier over time. Once these successful maintainers
have maintained a weight loss for 2-5 years, the chances of longer-term success greatly
increase.
You are right. I won't believe it. Ya know why? Here is a little bit of info about Wing RR and
Hill JO, the two auhtors of the above study. Damned if they aren't on the payroll of big pharma
and the food industry too.
************************
Rena R. Wing, Ph.D., U. of Pittsburgh School of Medicine. Consultant to and received research
support from Lilly Pharmaceuticals, is on Weight Watchers Advisory Board; has received research
support from Ross Laboratories and ILSI. (Newark Star-Ledger, 2/17/97 notes Eli Lilly, WW)
James O. Hill, Ph.D., Professor of Pediatrics and Director, Center for Human Nutrition at the
University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, Denver, CO. Research support from Amgen, Hoffman-
LaRoche, Procter & Gamble, and Knoll Pharmaceuticals; has received consultant fees from Knoll,
Roche Laboratories, International Life Sciences Institute, and Procter & Gamble and is a
consultant to the Duke Diet and Fitness Center. (Newark Star-Ledger, 2/17/97). President, North
American Association for the Study of Obesity. (USA Today, 9/1/98) Lead author of a study on
olestra supported by a grant from Procter & Gamble. (Am.
J. Clin. Nutr. 1998;67:1178-85) Co-wrote (with Barbara Rolls) a 1998 report for ILSI on
"Carbohydrates and Weight Management." Participated in a 3/25/99 panel assembled by the Sugar
Association to inform New York magazine editors about obesity, calories, and activity. (Sugar
Association's 1999 annual report, foodingredientsonline.comfoodingredientsonline.com; accessed 03/30/99)
Research on the effects of covert substitution of olestra for conventional fat on spontaneous
food intake supported by Procter & Gamble. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 1998;67:1178-85) Research on the
role of carbohydrates in weight management was supported by the Sugar Association. (Letter from
Sugar Association to USDA; on file with CSPI; 4/16/99) Research on using Orlistat for weight
maintenance funded by Hoffmann-La Roche. (Am. J.
Clin. Nutr. 1999;69:1108-16) Member of the Foodfit.com advisory board.
(foodfit.comadvisoryBoard.asp; accessed 11/11/00) Research on weight
management supported in part by Abbott Laboratories. (J. Amer. Coll. Nutr. 2001;20:26-31)
Member of the McDonald's Corporation Global Advisory Council on Healthy Lifestyles; formed
to "help guide the company on activities that address the need for balanced, healthy
lifestyles." (mcdonalds.com05212003; accessed
6/23/03) Receives consulting fees from HealtheTech, Johnson & Johnson, Procter & Gamble, and
Coca-Cola. Receives speakers fees from Abbott Laboratories, Roche Laboratories, and Kraft
Foods. Receives research funding from M&M Mars. (N. Engl. J. Med. 2003:348;2082-2090) Member
of the expert advisory board for the American Council for Fitness and Nutrition.
(acfn.orgadvisory.html; accessed 10/31/03)
*****************
No conspiracy here, eh? It has been pretty consistent that whenever a "researcher" puts out a
study that attacks low-carb or supports low-fat, there is always funding from the pharma or the
food industry.
I challenge anyone to find *ONE* that isn't.
TC
Both of these "researchers" are affiliated with ILSA, International Life Sciences Institute.
ilsina.orgilsina.org
Check out the 50 corporate sponsors link.
3M Microbiology Ajinomoto U.S.A., Inc. Archer Daniels Midland Company BASF Corporation Bristol-Myers
Squibb Company Burger King Corporation Campbell Soup Company Cargill, Incorporated The Coca-Cola
Company Corn Products International, Inc. Danisco Cultor America, Inc.
E.I. du Pont de Nemours and Company General Mills, Inc. Gerber Products Company
E.J. Heinz Company Hershey Foods Corporation International Flavors & Fragrances, Inc. Kellogg
Company Kraft Foods, Inc. Masterfoods USA McCormick & Company, Inc. McNeil Nutritionals Mead
Johnson Nutritionals Monsanto Company National Starch and Chemical Company Nestlé USA, Inc.
Novozymes North America, Inc. The NutraSweet Company Nutrinova, Inc. Ocean Spray Cranberries,
Inc. The Pepsi-Cola Company Pfizer, Inc. The Proctor & Gamble Company Red Bull Roche Vitamins,
Inc. Ross Products Division/Abbott Laboratories Sethness Products Company Taco Bell Corporation
Takasago International Corporation (USA) Tate & Lyle Unilever Bestfoods NA Wm. Wrigley Jr.
Company Wyeth Nutritionals International
No conspiracy here, eh?
TC

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Tcomeau
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20 December 2003, 20:10 UTC #3

[email hidden] (tcomeau) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
[email hidden] (tcomeau) wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> TC will not belive it. Since it is .gov site it is all part of his conspiracy theory.
Ack! Good point on the conspirisy theory. ;-)
> To save him a few keystrokes:
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Successful weight loss maintenance.
>
> Wing RR, Hill JO.
>
> The Miriam Hospital, Brown University, Providence, Rhode Island 02906, USA.
>
> Obesity is now recognized as a serious chronic disease, but there is pessimism about how
> successful treatment can be. A general perception is that almost no one succeeds in long-
> term maintenance of weight loss. To define long-term weight loss success, we need an
> accepted definition. We propose defining successful long-term weight loss maintenance as
> intentionally losing at least 10% of initial body weight and keeping it off for at least 1
> year. According to this definition, the picture is much more optimistic, with perhaps
> greater than 20% of overweight/obese persons able to achieve success. We found that in the
> National Weight Control Registry, successful long-term weight loss maintainers (average
> weight loss of 30 kg for an average of 5.5 years) share common behavioral strategies,
> including eating a diet low in fat, frequent self-monitoring of body weight and food intake,
> and high levels of regular physical activity. Weight loss maintenance may get easier over
> time. Once these successful maintainers have maintained a weight loss for 2-5 years, the
> chances of longer-term success greatly increase.
You are right. I won't believe it. Ya know why? Here is a little bit of info about Wing RR and
Hill JO, the two auhtors of the above study. Damned if they aren't on the payroll of big pharma
and the food industry too.
************************
Rena R. Wing, Ph.D., U. of Pittsburgh School of Medicine. Consultant to and received research
support from Lilly Pharmaceuticals, is on Weight Watchers Advisory Board; has received research
support from Ross Laboratories and ILSI. (Newark Star-Ledger, 2/17/97 notes Eli Lilly, WW)
James O. Hill, Ph.D., Professor of Pediatrics and Director, Center for Human Nutrition at the
University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, Denver, CO. Research support from Amgen, Hoffman-
LaRoche, Procter & Gamble, and Knoll Pharmaceuticals; has received consultant fees from Knoll,
Roche Laboratories, International Life Sciences Institute, and Procter & Gamble and is a
consultant to the Duke Diet and Fitness Center. (Newark Star-Ledger, 2/17/97). President, North
American Association for the Study of Obesity. (USA Today, 9/1/98) Lead author of a study on
olestra supported by a grant from Procter & Gamble. (Am.
J. Clin. Nutr. 1998;67:1178-85) Co-wrote (with Barbara Rolls) a 1998 report for ILSI on
"Carbohydrates and Weight Management." Participated in a 3/25/99 panel assembled by the Sugar
Association to inform New York magazine editors about obesity, calories, and activity. (Sugar
Association's 1999 annual report, foodingredientsonline.comfoodingredientsonline.com; accessed 03/30/99)
Research on the effects of covert substitution of olestra for conventional fat on spontaneous
food intake supported by Procter & Gamble. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 1998;67:1178-85) Research on
the role of carbohydrates in weight management was supported by the Sugar Association.
(Letter from Sugar Association to USDA; on file with CSPI; 4/16/99) Research on using
Orlistat for weight maintenance funded by Hoffmann-La Roche. (Am. J.
Clin. Nutr. 1999;69:1108-16) Member of the Foodfit.com advisory board.
(foodfit.comadvisoryBoard.asp; accessed 11/11/00) Research on weight
management supported in part by Abbott Laboratories. (J. Amer. Coll. Nutr. 2001;20:26-31)
Member of the McDonald's Corporation Global Advisory Council on Healthy Lifestyles; formed
to "help guide the company on activities that address the need for balanced, healthy
lifestyles." (mcdonalds.com05212003; accessed
6/23/03) Receives consulting fees from HealtheTech, Johnson & Johnson, Procter & Gamble,
and Coca-Cola. Receives speakers fees from Abbott Laboratories, Roche Laboratories, and
Kraft Foods. Receives research funding from M&M Mars. (N. Engl. J. Med. 2003:348;2082-
2090) Member of the expert advisory board for the American Council for Fitness and
Nutrition. (acfn.orgadvisory.html; accessed 10/31/03)
*****************
No conspiracy here, eh? It has been pretty consistent that whenever a "researcher" puts out a
study that attacks low-carb or supports low-fat, there is always funding from the pharma or the
food industry.
I challenge anyone to find *ONE* that isn't.
TC
Both of these "researchers" are affiliated with ILSA, International Life Sciences Institute.
ilsina.orgilsina.org
Check out the 50 corporate sponsors link.
3M Microbiology Ajinomoto U.S.A., Inc. Archer Daniels Midland Company BASF Corporation Bristol-
Myers Squibb Company Burger King Corporation Campbell Soup Company Cargill, Incorporated The Coca-
Cola Company Corn Products International, Inc. Danisco Cultor America, Inc.
E.I. du Pont de Nemours and Company General Mills, Inc. Gerber Products Company
H.J. Heinz Company Hershey Foods Corporation International Flavors & Fragrances, Inc. Kellogg
Company Kraft Foods, Inc. Masterfoods USA McCormick & Company, Inc. McNeil Nutritionals Mead
Johnson Nutritionals Monsanto Company National Starch and Chemical Company Nestlé USA, Inc.
Novozymes North America, Inc. The NutraSweet Company Nutrinova, Inc. Ocean Spray Cranberries,
Inc. The Pepsi-Cola Company Pfizer, Inc. The Proctor & Gamble Company Red Bull Roche
Vitamins, Inc. Ross Products Division/Abbott Laboratories Sethness Products Company Taco Bell
Corporation Takasago International Corporation (USA) Tate & Lyle Unilever Bestfoods NA Wm.
Wrigley Jr. Company Wyeth Nutritionals International
No conspiracy here, eh?
TC
Does this study and its funding not look suspect?
I challenge anyone to find a study that has similar findings that isn't funded by the pharma and/or
food industries.
Conversely, I challenge anyone to find one study that has findings that goes against these findings
in any way, that *is* funded these industries.
It is time that researchers clearly and completely disclose all of their industry interests with
every study they submit for publications, and all publishers must start publishing the researchers
industry interests along with the studies. Any less than this is a license to deceive to the
researchers and industry.
TC

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Tcomeau
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22 December 2003, 20:10 UTC #4

[email hidden] (tcomeau) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
[email hidden] (tcomeau) wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
[email hidden] (tcomeau) wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
> > TC will not belive it. Since it is .gov site it is all part of his conspiracy theory.
>
>
> Ack! Good point on the conspirisy theory. ;-)
>
> > To save him a few keystrokes:
> >
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Successful weight loss maintenance.
> >
> > Wing RR, Hill JO.
> >
> > The Miriam Hospital, Brown University, Providence, Rhode Island 02906, USA.
> >
> > Obesity is now recognized as a serious chronic disease, but there is pessimism about how
> > successful treatment can be. A general perception is that almost no one succeeds in long-
> > term maintenance of weight loss. To define long-term weight loss success, we need an
> > accepted definition. We propose defining successful long-term weight loss maintenance as
> > intentionally losing at least 10% of initial body weight and keeping it off for at least 1
> > year. According to this definition, the picture is much more optimistic, with perhaps
> > greater than 20% of overweight/obese persons able to achieve success. We found that in the
> > National Weight Control Registry, successful long-term weight loss maintainers (average
> > weight loss of 30 kg for an average of 5.5 years) share common behavioral strategies,
> > including eating a diet low in fat, frequent self-monitoring of body weight and food
> > intake, and high levels of regular physical activity. Weight loss maintenance may get
> > easier over time. Once these successful maintainers have maintained a weight loss for 2-5
> > years, the chances of longer-term success greatly increase.
You are right. I won't believe it. Ya know why? Here is a little bit of info about Wing RR and
Hill JO, the two auhtors of the above study. Damned if they aren't on the payroll of big
pharma and the food industry too.
************************
Rena R. Wing, Ph.D., U. of Pittsburgh School of Medicine. Consultant to and received research
support from Lilly Pharmaceuticals, is on Weight Watchers Advisory Board; has received
research support from Ross Laboratories and ILSI. (Newark Star-Ledger, 2/17/97 notes Eli
Lilly, WW)
James O. Hill, Ph.D., Professor of Pediatrics and Director, Center for Human Nutrition at the
University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, Denver, CO. Research support from Amgen, Hoffman-
LaRoche, Procter & Gamble, and Knoll Pharmaceuticals; has received consultant fees from Knoll,
Roche Laboratories, International Life Sciences Institute, and Procter & Gamble and is a
consultant to the Duke Diet and Fitness Center. (Newark Star-Ledger, 2/17/97). President,
North American Association for the Study of Obesity. (USA Today, 9/1/98) Lead author of a
study on olestra supported by a grant from Procter & Gamble. (Am.
J. Clin. Nutr. 1998;67:1178-85) Co-wrote (with Barbara Rolls) a 1998 report for ILSI on
"Carbohydrates and Weight Management." Participated in a 3/25/99 panel assembled by the
Sugar Association to inform New York magazine editors about obesity, calories, and
activity. (Sugar Association's 1999 annual report, foodingredientsonline.comfoodingredientsonline.com;
accessed 03/30/99) Research on the effects of covert substitution of olestra for
conventional fat on spontaneous food intake supported by Procter & Gamble. (Am. J. Clin.
Nutr. 1998;67:1178-85) Research on the role of carbohydrates in weight management was
supported by the Sugar Association. (Letter from Sugar Association to USDA; on file with
CSPI; 4/16/99) Research on using Orlistat for weight maintenance funded by Hoffmann-La
Roche. (Am. J.
Clin. Nutr. 1999;69:1108-16) Member of the Foodfit.com advisory board.
(foodfit.comadvisoryBoard.asp; accessed 11/11/00) Research on weight
management supported in part by Abbott Laboratories. (J. Amer. Coll. Nutr. 2001;20:26-
31) Member of the McDonald's Corporation Global Advisory Council on Healthy Lifestyles;
formed to "help guide the company on activities that address the need for balanced,
healthy lifestyles." (mcdonalds.com05212003;
accessed 6/23/03) Receives consulting fees from HealtheTech, Johnson & Johnson, Procter
& Gamble, and Coca-Cola. Receives speakers fees from Abbott Laboratories, Roche
Laboratories, and Kraft Foods. Receives research funding from M&M Mars. (N. Engl. J.
Med. 2003:348;2082-2090) Member of the expert advisory board for the American Council
for Fitness and Nutrition. (acfn.orgadvisory.html; accessed 10/31/03)
*****************
No conspiracy here, eh? It has been pretty consistent that whenever a "researcher" puts out a
study that attacks low-carb or supports low-fat, there is always funding from the pharma or
the food industry.
I challenge anyone to find *ONE* that isn't.
TC
Both of these "researchers" are affiliated with ILSA, International Life Sciences Institute.
ilsina.orgilsina.org
Check out the 50 corporate sponsors link.
3M Microbiology Ajinomoto U.S.A., Inc. Archer Daniels Midland Company BASF Corporation Bristol-
Myers Squibb Company Burger King Corporation Campbell Soup Company Cargill, Incorporated The Coca-
Cola Company Corn Products International, Inc. Danisco Cultor America, Inc.
E.I. du Pont de Nemours and Company General Mills, Inc. Gerber Products Company
H.J. Heinz Company Hershey Foods Corporation International Flavors & Fragrances, Inc. Kellogg
Company Kraft Foods, Inc. Masterfoods USA McCormick & Company, Inc. McNeil Nutritionals
Mead Johnson Nutritionals Monsanto Company National Starch and Chemical Company Nestlé USA,
Inc. Novozymes North America, Inc. The NutraSweet Company Nutrinova, Inc. Ocean Spray
Cranberries, Inc. The Pepsi-Cola Company Pfizer, Inc. The Proctor & Gamble Company Red Bull
Roche Vitamins, Inc. Ross Products Division/Abbott Laboratories Sethness Products Company
Taco Bell Corporation Takasago International Corporation (USA) Tate & Lyle Unilever
Bestfoods NA Wm. Wrigley Jr. Company Wyeth Nutritionals International
No conspiracy here, eh?
TC
Does this study and its funding not look suspect?
I challenge anyone to find a study that has similar findings that isn't funded by the pharma
and/or food industries.
Conversely, I challenge anyone to find one study that has findings that goes against these
findings in any way, that *is* funded these industries.
It is time that researchers clearly and completely disclose all of their industry interests with
every study they submit for publications, and all publishers must start publishing the researchers
industry interests along with the studies. Any less than this is a license to deceive to the
researchers and industry.
TC
Hey Doug,
In view of the lack of response, I will assume that you are conceding that I am correct and you
are wrong.
You silence speaks louder than my ranting.
TC

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Doug Freese
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23 December 2003, 04:12 UTC #5

tcomeau said:
In view of the lack of response, I will assume that you are conceding that I am correct and you
are wrong.
LOFL!
Quoted message said:
You silence speaks louder than my ranting.
I find you boring and childish and not worth any more keystrokes.
--
Doug Freese "Caveat Lector" [email hidden]

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Tcomeau
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23 December 2003, 11:25 UTC #6

Doug Freese <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
tcomeau said:
In view of the lack of response, I will assume that you are conceding that I am correct and you
are wrong.
LOFL!
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You silence speaks louder than my ranting.
I find you boring and childish and not worth any more keystrokes.
I know you are but what am I?
Nyah nyah nya nya nyah....
TC

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John 'The Man
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23 December 2003, 15:10 UTC #7

Once upon a time, our fellow tcomeau rambled on about "Re: Doug Freese, explain this for me." Our
champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...
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I find you boring and childish and not worth any more keystrokes.
I know you are but what am I?
Nyah nyah nya nya nyah..
Hey, TC! I told you that were the village idiot, here.
Now, you know why.
Just thought that you might want to know. 🙂

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Tcomeau
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23 December 2003, 20:11 UTC #8

John 'the Man' <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
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Once upon a time, our fellow tcomeau rambled on about "Re: Doug Freese, explain this for me." Our
champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...
Quoted message said:
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I find you boring and childish and not worth any more keystrokes.
I know you are but what am I?
Nyah nyah nya nya nyah..
Hey, TC! I told you that were the village idiot, here.
Now, you know why.
Just thought that you might want to know. 🙂
I thought it was pretty funny. I'm still chuckling over it.
Kinda ironic... an admitted mental defective calling me a village idiot.
;-)
TC

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Ben A. Green
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28 December 2003, 00:27 UTC #9

I the int4ernet and newsgroups we have a wonderful resource available to us, which would have been
unimaginable to Issac Newton. Let use it wisely.

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Ear Rings
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28 December 2003, 03:08 UTC #10

Start with spellcheck or proofreading what you wrote. We don't need the incoherence.
"Ben A. Green" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
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I the int4ernet and newsgroups we have a wonderful resource available to

us,
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which would have been unimaginable to Issac Newton. Let use it wisely.

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