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  1. Psychiatry Clin Neurosci. 2004 Feb;58(1):37-41. Related Articles, Links

    Rapid improvement in academic grades following methylphenidate treatment in attention-deficit
    hyperactivity disorder.

    Yang P, Chung LC, Chen CS, Chen CC.

    Department of Psychiatry, Kaohsiung Medical University Hospital and Department of Psychiatry, Chung
    Shan Medical University Hospital, Taiwan.

    In the present study a 16 week comparison study was conducted of behavioral, cognitive and
    educational measures in school-age Taiwanese children with attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder
    (ADHD) receiving open-label methylphenidate (MPH). Subjects include 14 male and five female ADHD
    children. They received MPH twice per day continuously for 16 weeks. Measures of behavior, cognitive
    function (Wisconsin Card Sorting Test, Tower of London and Continuous Performance Test), Chinese and
    arithmetic learning achievement were compared with those of their baseline condition. After MPH, 68-
    78% of children showed improving behavior in classroom and at home. Among the neuropsychological
    tests, only the percentage of preservative error was improved (P = 0.022). Approximately 61-66% of
    children had improvement in academic learning (P = 0.013 for Chinese, 0.004 for arithmetic). The MPH
    treatment demonstrated improvement in domains of classroom/home behaviors and academic performance,
    but showed minimal change on neuropsychological functioning in Taiwanese ADHD children. The finding
    of academic gain was unexpected, which might be due to the greater interest in achievement and
    better compliance to cultural expectations by Taiwanese versus Western students, which translated
    into more rapid improvement in academic performance.

    PMID: 14678455 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

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    methylphenidate (MPH). Subjects include 14 male and five female ADHD children. They received MPH
    twice per day continuously for 16 weeks.

    19 kids. No controls.

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    ... The MPH treatment demonstrated improvement in domains of classroom/home behaviors and academic
    performance, but showed minimal change on neuropsychological functioning in Taiwanese ADHD
    children.

    I thought that MPH was supposed to improve neuropsychological functioning. What went wrong?

  3. Roger Schlafly said:
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    methylphenidate (MPH). Subjects include 14 male and five female ADHD children. They received MPH
    twice per day continuously for 16 weeks.

    19 kids. No controls.

    it was a within subject design--they were their own controls (one of the best type)

    Quoted message said:
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    ... The MPH treatment demonstrated improvement in domains of classroom/home behaviors and academic
    performance, but showed minimal change on neuropsychological functioning in Taiwanese ADHD
    children.

    I thought that MPH was supposed to improve neuropsychological functioning. What went wrong?

    I think the claim is toward academic performance and quality of life.

  4. "Mark Morin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Roger Schlafly said:
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    methylphenidate (MPH). Subjects include 14 male and five female ADHD children. They received MPH
    twice per day continuously for 16 weeks.

    19 kids. No controls.

    it was a within subject design--they were their own controls (one of the best type)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ... The MPH treatment demonstrated improvement in domains of classroom/home


    behaviors

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    Quoted message said:

    and academic performance, but showed minimal change on


    neuropsychological

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    functioning in Taiwanese ADHD children.

    I thought that MPH was supposed to improve neuropsychological


    functioning.

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    What went wrong?

    I think the claim is toward academic performance and quality of life.

    Careful, Mark, Dr. Schlafley is an expert in mathematics and experiment design.

  5. Mark ProbertJanuary 14 said:

    "Mark Morin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
    berlin.de...

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    Roger Schlafly said:

    >methylphenidate (MPH). Subjects include 14 male and five female ADHD children. They received MPH
    >twice per day continuously for 16 weeks.

    19 kids. No controls.

    it was a within subject design--they were their own controls (one of the best type)

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    >... The MPH treatment demonstrated improvement in domains of classroom/home

    behaviors

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    >and academic performance, but showed minimal change on

    neuropsychological

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    >functioning in Taiwanese ADHD children.

    I thought that MPH was supposed to improve neuropsychological

    functioning.

    Quoted message said:
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    What went wrong?

    I think the claim is toward academic performance and quality of life.

    Careful, Mark, Dr. Schlafley is an expert in mathematics and experiment design.


    Yeah, I remember all too well his last attempts.

  6. "Mark Morin" <[email hidden]> wrote

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    methylphenidate (MPH). Subjects include 14 male and five female ADHD children. They received MPH
    twice per day continuously for 16 weeks.


    19 kids. No controls.


    it was a within subject design--they were their own controls (one of the best type)

    For controls, it might have been interesting to have some ADHD kids on placebos, some non-ADHD kids
    on MPH (ritalin), and some non-ADHD kids on placebos.

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    ... The MPH treatment demonstrated improvement in domains of classroom/home


    behaviors

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    and academic performance, but showed minimal change on


    neuropsychological

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    functioning in Taiwanese ADHD children.


    I thought that MPH was supposed to improve neuropsychological


    functioning.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    What went wrong?


    I think the claim is toward academic performance and quality of life.

    And those are the main reasons so many kids are on ritalin? I thought that it was mainly to improve
    neuropsychological functioning. I guess that I've been misinformed.

  7. Roger Schlafly said:

    "Mark Morin" <[email hidden]> wrote

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    >methylphenidate (MPH). Subjects include 14 male and five female ADHD children. They received
    >MPH twice per day continuously for 16 weeks.
    19 kids. No controls.


    it was a within subject design--they were their own controls (one of the best type)

    For controls, it might have been interesting to have some ADHD kids on placebos, some non-ADHD kids
    on MPH (ritalin), and some non-ADHD kids on placebos.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >... The MPH treatment demonstrated improvement in domains of classroom/home


    behaviors

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >and academic performance, but showed minimal change on


    neuropsychological

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >functioning in Taiwanese ADHD children.
    I thought that MPH was supposed to improve neuropsychological


    functioning.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    What went wrong?


    I think the claim is toward academic performance and quality of life.

    And those are the main reasons so many kids are on ritalin? I thought that it was mainly to improve
    neuropsychological functioning. I guess that I've been misinformed.

    I wish I could stay so calm in the face of his nonsense..

    __

    "When society turns a blind eye to the dangers of drugs and rushes to embrace a pharmaceutical cure
    for nearly every condition, there is almost no end to the harm that may result".

    Thomas.J.Moore

  8. "Roger Schlafly" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    methylphenidate (MPH). Subjects include 14 male and five female ADHD children. They received MPH
    twice per day continuously for 16 weeks.

    19 kids. No controls.

    Quoted message said:

    ... The MPH treatment demonstrated improvement in domains of classroom/home


    behaviors

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and academic performance, but showed minimal change on


    neuropsychological

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    functioning in Taiwanese ADHD children.

    I thought that MPH was supposed to improve neuropsychological functioning. What went wrong?

    Nothing. The problem with ADHD is that child with ADHD aren't able to focus at the tasks at
    hand, e.g., classwork and homework as well as behave appropriately at home. The MPH appears to
    have enabled the kids to focus at home and the classroom and their behaviors improved as well as
    their grades.

    One concern though: This was an open label study, which, if I understand correctly, means that the
    kids and their parents knew they were getting MPH. They may have improved because they thought they
    would improve.

    Jeff

  9. "Roger Schlafly" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

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    "Mark Morin" <[email hidden]> wrote

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    >methylphenidate (MPH). Subjects include 14 male and five female ADHD children. They received
    >MPH twice per day continuously for 16 weeks.
    19 kids. No controls.


    it was a within subject design--they were their own controls (one of the best type)

    For controls, it might have been interesting to have some ADHD kids on placebos, some non-ADHD
    kids on MPH (ritalin), and some non-ADHD kids on placebos.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >... The MPH treatment demonstrated improvement in domains of classroom/home


    behaviors

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >and academic performance, but showed minimal change on


    neuropsychological

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >functioning in Taiwanese ADHD children.
    I thought that MPH was supposed to improve neuropsychological


    functioning.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    What went wrong?


    I think the claim is toward academic performance and quality of life.

    And those are the main reasons so many kids are on ritalin? I thought that it was mainly to
    improve neuropsychological functioning. I guess that I've been misinformed.

    Being able to learn in a neuropsychological function. The cognitive tests are directly affected by
    MPH. The important tests, like being able to achieve in school did improve.

    Jeff

  10. Roger Schlafly said:

    "Mark Morin" <[email hidden]> wrote

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    >methylphenidate (MPH). Subjects include 14 male and five female ADHD children. They received MPH
    >twice per day continuously for 16 weeks.

    19 kids. No controls.

    it was a within subject design--they were their own controls (one of the best type)

    For controls, it might have been interesting to have some ADHD kids on placebos, some non-ADHD
    kids on MPH (ritalin), and some non-ADHD kids on placebos.

    It might be interesting but it would be a weaker control group. The best control group is one where
    all variables (gender, age, SES, weight, etc.) except the variable in question are controlled. One
    way is to match subjects on these variables. Another way is to have a WITHIN SUBJECT DESIGHN such
    that each subject is his or her own control

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    And those are the main reasons so many kids are on ritalin? I thought that it was mainly to
    improve neuropsychological functioning. I guess that I've been misinformed.

    you just noticed?

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  11. "Roger Schlafly" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "Mark Morin" <[email hidden]> wrote

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    >methylphenidate (MPH). Subjects include 14 male and five female ADHD children. They received
    >MPH twice per day continuously for 16 weeks.
    19 kids. No controls.


    it was a within subject design--they were their own controls (one of the best type)

    For controls, it might have been interesting to have some ADHD kids on placebos, some non-ADHD
    kids on MPH (ritalin), and some non-ADHD kids on placebos.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >... The MPH treatment demonstrated improvement in domains of classroom/home


    behaviors

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >and academic performance, but showed minimal change on


    neuropsychological

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >functioning in Taiwanese ADHD children.
    I thought that MPH was supposed to improve neuropsychological


    functioning.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    What went wrong?


    I think the claim is toward academic performance and quality of life.

    And those are the main reasons so many kids are on ritalin? I thought that it was mainly to
    improve neuropsychological functioning. I guess that I've been misinformed.

    We have been telling you that for years.

    Glad to help.

  12. "jake" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Roger Schlafly said:

    "Mark Morin" <[email hidden]> wrote

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    >>methylphenidate (MPH). Subjects include 14 male and five female ADHD children. They received
    >>MPH twice per day continuously for 16 weeks.
    > 19 kids. No controls.
    it was a within subject design--they were their own controls (one of


    the

    Quoted message said:
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    best type)

    For controls, it might have been interesting to have some ADHD kids on placebos, some non-ADHD
    kids on MPH (ritalin), and some non-ADHD kids on placebos.

    Quoted message said:

    >>... The MPH treatment demonstrated improvement in domains of classroom/home


    behaviors

    Quoted message said:

    >>and academic performance, but showed minimal change on


    neuropsychological

    Quoted message said:

    >>functioning in Taiwanese ADHD children.
    > I thought that MPH was supposed to improve neuropsychological


    functioning.

    Quoted message said:

    > What went wrong?
    I think the claim is toward academic performance and quality of life.

    And those are the main reasons so many kids are on ritalin? I thought


    that

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    it was mainly to improve neuropsychological functioning. I guess that


    I've

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    been misinformed.

    I wish I could stay so calm in the face of his nonsense..

    Yes, it is very hard to control oneself in the face of Rogers' nonsense.

  13. "Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote

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    Being able to learn in a neuropsychological function. The cognitive tests are directly
    affected by MPH.

    I would think so, but the study concluded: "The MPH treatment ... showed minimal change on
    neuropsychological functioning in Taiwanese ADHD children."

    Do you want to tell the millions of kids on ritalin that they are not getting any improvement in
    neuropsychological functioning?

  14. "Roger Schlafly" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote

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    Being able to learn in a neuropsychological function. The cognitive


    tests

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    are directly affected by MPH.

    I would think so, but the study concluded: "The MPH treatment ... showed minimal change on
    neuropsychological functioning in Taiwanese ADHD children."

    Do you want to tell the millions of kids on ritalin that they are not getting any improvement in
    neuropsychological functioning?

    They do get improvement. The improvement is not seen in the tests that are used.

    Jeff

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