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On 29 Oct 2004 11:32:00 GMT, qtq <[email hidden]>

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distance between
peaks of the wave and the frequensy are the two parameters of the same
thing - if you know the frequency, you know the wavelenght, and vice
versa.

That's utter [censored].

I can give you lots of frequencies for which you don't know the wavelength.

1 radian/sec.

We're speaking about waves here, while 1rad/sec is an angular
velosity. Sorry, but your examples are completely unrelated to this
tread.

Artur

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:53:31 +0300, Artur Yelchishchev <[email hidden]>

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On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:58:24 GMT, Ron Hardin <[email hidden]>

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The frequency is the same. So the distance between peaks of the wave is less.

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Alternatively again, the wavelength of a train whistle appears the
same to the engineer and the stationmaster but the pitch is different.

Excuse me, but this is fundamentally impossible. The distance between
peaks of the wave and the frequensy are the two parameters of the same
thing - if you know the frequency, you know the wavelenght, and vice
versa.

In the gas flowmeters (and, in our particular case, in wind speed
meter), the time required for signal to travel from transmitter to the
receiver is measured, not wavelenght/frequency.

WBR,
Artur

Someone (not you) is confusing propagation delay with wave
compression.

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On 29 Oct 2004 11:32:00 GMT, qtq <[email hidden]>

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Excuse me, but this is fundamentally impossible. The distance between
peaks of the wave and the frequensy are the two parameters of the same
thing - if you know the frequency, you know the wavelenght, and vice
versa.

That's utter [censored].

I can give you lots of frequencies for which you don't know the wavelength.

1 radian/sec.

2 radian/sec.

3 radian/sec.

We could go on forever.

99 radians/sec in r.b.t,
99 radians/sec
Slow it down, spin it around,
98 radians/sec in r.b.t

Frequency is a unit of measure based on the number of cycles per
second.

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On 29 Oct 2004 11:32:00 GMT, qtq <[email hidden]>

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Artur Yelchishchev <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Excuse me, but this is fundamentally impossible. The distance between
peaks of the wave and the frequensy are the two parameters of the same
thing - if you know the frequency, you know the wavelenght, and vice
versa.

That's utter [censored].

I can give you lots of frequencies for which you don't know the

wavelength.

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1 radian/sec.

2 radian/sec.

3 radian/sec.

We could go on forever.

99 radians/sec in r.b.t,
99 radians/sec
Slow it down, spin it around,
98 radians/sec in r.b.t

Frequency is a unit of measure based on the number of cycles per
second.

Well if you want to be pedantic then that's not true.
Hertz is a unit of frequency based on a one second time base. Frequency can
be measured in any time base. How frequent something happens can also be
measured in other units besides time.

Marty

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On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 20:31:27 +0800, "Marty Wallace" <[email hidden]>

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On 29 Oct 2004 11:32:00 GMT, qtq <[email hidden]>

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Artur Yelchishchev <[email hidden]> wrote in
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> Excuse me, but this is fundamentally impossible. The distance between
> peaks of the wave and the frequensy are the two parameters of the same
> thing - if you know the frequency, you know the wavelenght, and vice
> versa.

That's utter [censored].

I can give you lots of frequencies for which you don't know the

wavelength.

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1 radian/sec.

2 radian/sec.

3 radian/sec.

We could go on forever.

99 radians/sec in r.b.t,
99 radians/sec
Slow it down, spin it around,
98 radians/sec in r.b.t

Frequency is a unit of measure based on the number of cycles per
second.

Well if you want to be pedantic then that's not true.
Hertz is a unit of frequency based on a one second time base. Frequency can
be measured in any time base. How frequent something happens can also be
measured in other units besides time.

Marty

Yes Marty, quite correct. However, during the time have have held
both the FCC GROL and Amateur Extra class licenses, and built all
those radio stations, all my work was done in the time base of
seconds. I'm sure somewhere, someone is working with something else.
Just no one I know in the broadcast world.

I think you meant "other units besides seconds" since everything is
based on time. Everything.

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On 29 Oct 2004 11:32:00 GMT, qtq <[email hidden]>
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>Artur Yelchishchev <[email hidden]> wrote in
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>> Excuse me, but this is fundamentally impossible. The distance

between

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>> peaks of the wave and the frequensy are the two parameters of the

same

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>> thing - if you know the frequency, you know the wavelenght, and vice
>> versa.
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>That's utter [censored].
>
>I can give you lots of frequencies for which you don't know the

wavelength.

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>
>1 radian/sec.
>
>2 radian/sec.
>
>3 radian/sec.
>
>We could go on forever.
>
>99 radians/sec in r.b.t,
>99 radians/sec
>Slow it down, spin it around,
>98 radians/sec in r.b.t

Frequency is a unit of measure based on the number of cycles per
second.

Well if you want to be pedantic then that's not true.
Hertz is a unit of frequency based on a one second time base. Frequency

can

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be measured in any time base. How frequent something happens can also be
measured in other units besides time.

Marty

Yes Marty, quite correct. However, during the time have have held
both the FCC GROL and Amateur Extra class licenses, and built all
those radio stations, all my work was done in the time base of
seconds. I'm sure somewhere, someone is working with something else.
Just no one I know in the broadcast world.

I think you meant "other units besides seconds" since everything is
based on time. Everything.

Michael J. Klein [email hidden]
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I still disagree.

A dictionary definition is:

fre·quen·cy (frkwn-s)
n. pl. fre·quen·cies
1.. The property or condition of occurring at frequent intervals.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=frequency

So it doesn't have to be in units of time, it can be anything that occurs at
frequent intervals.

When I swim I measure my stroke frequency in strokes per pool length. Or you
could have a frequency of beers per packet of crisps!
Anythings possible.

I also have a radio license.

Marty Wallace
VK6ABC

(Check out my callsign in the WIA Callbook)

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:27:26 +0800, "Marty Wallace" <[email hidden]>
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I still disagree.

A dictionary definition is:

fre·quen·cy (frkwn-s)
n. pl. fre·quen·cies
1.. The property or condition of occurring at frequent intervals.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=frequency

So it doesn't have to be in units of time, it can be anything that occurs at
frequent intervals.

When I swim I measure my stroke frequency in strokes per pool length. Or you
could have a frequency of beers per packet of crisps!
Anythings possible.

I also have a radio license.

Marty Wallace
VK6ABC

(Check out my callsign in the WIA Callbook)

Marty, you are free to disagree that radio frequency is normally
measured by some factor of Hertz, all you want.

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