"Bruni" <
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> Phil Brown may not have heard the contention that road bikes have short TTs and long stems for
> drafting but we all have seen and ridden such bikes. A 120mm stem,100mm of reach and 30mm of hood
> produces quite a lot of tiller effect on road bikes. Ten years agoMTBs had similar control
> leverages..Not any more. Notably, Trek added about 30mm to their TTs and lost the same from stems.
> Now it is hard to find those 135mm stems of yesteryear. My contention is that racing shapes our
> bikes and that the geometry that makes for a fast peloton, can be less than optimal for the rest
> of us. Jobst Brandt wrote years ago about team time trial bikes being the fastest/shortest and
> that it is a tradeoff. MTBs rarely draft and could use the greater stability of frame length. At
> the time MTB geometry was changing, some worried about front washout from kicking front ends
> outward. Stability seems to have won that debate. Drafting friendly short road bikes rule the 4%
> road bike market as it is a race replica niche. If and when road bikes again dominate, there will
> be many choices other than crit bikes. See Rivendell thread. Tom
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> 410.426.3420 Phil Brown <
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> > >In addition, road bikes have short TT/long stems to aid in drafting as it tucks in the front
> > >wheel allowing bodies to draft closer.
> >
> > Huh? Since when? In 45 years of riding and 30 building I've never heard
> that.
> > Phil Brown
> >
If I can summarise what I think is being said:
An MTB of the same comparative size to a road bike will generally have a longer top tube. This takes
into account that MTBs dont include the extra reach associated with brakehoods on a road bike and
the MTB will generally have a shorter stem (horizontal length) than a road bike. The longer top tube
on the MTB also encourages more stability in the handling of the bike.
So in my case with a road frame top tube of 56cm it would not be unusal to have an MTB with a top
tube of 58cm.