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I for one have to strongly disagree with this widely stated false myth. After getting a well
padded seat with springs, I can ride for hours with comfort. With those [censored] skinny hard seats
that all the "pros" recommend, I can't ride for more than 30 seconds.

I thought the same thing until my LBS let me start bolting saddles on my bike for a ride around
the lot -- until I found one that fit ok.

Not a good test. You need to try them for a 30 mile ride or so before you find out which ones give
you a sore ass.

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My impetus was that I couldn't get behind the well padded saddles easily enough for the descents
that I was doing

Jesus Christ, the padding doesn't make it THAT much bigger than you can't get behind
it. And also keep in mind, that if the saddle isn't a hard rock, you don't have to get off of it
for every bump in the trail, you can actually sit on it most of the time.

With the tiny hard steel type seats, I would have to do most of the ride off of it. Now I can
actually sit on the seat for the full 30 - 50 miles and not have a sore ass when I am done to the
point that I can't sit down for 2 days like I did when I fell for all the BS about the tiny hard
seats and used them.

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Hi Why these saddles have to be so uncomfortable? I mean aren't they to narrowed?

The seat that comes with the bikes are [censored], throw it away and buy a real seat.

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I'm new in mountain biking. When I ride my bike my butt is killing
me. Perhaps I do something wrong with adjustment.

Get a seat with springs and padding.

Hi Hosh, you must be new here, welcome.

Are you a serious mountain biker? You seem to be a real expert.

I have been a serious biker even before "mountain bikes" existed. I am not one of those "fad
fanatics" that has to wear a fashionable "helmet" in order to be "cool and official". None of us
ever wore bike helmets (hats) before they became a fad, and I am not about to parade around like one
of the sheep who put flags on their cars because everyone else was doing it. Since childhood, I have
been riding bikes almost daily for over 30 years and only fell off of a bike twice. Both times were
as a child, one trying to kick out a stick that got caught in my spokes, the other when I was
standing on my seat straight up hands in the air doing stunts. (amazing how many dangerous stunts we
did as kids on our bikes yet never had any helmets and never ever fell on our heads.)

Neither time did I land on my head. Being much smarter and knowing not to do those things anymore, I
don't fall down, and I don't need a helmet. However, if I did do something to require wearing a
helmet, I sure as hell would not get one of those fashion hats made of Styrofoam that don't cover
anything but the very top of your head, but something closer to a REAL helmet. You don't see people
on motorcycles wearing the flimsy gay hats that bike riders do, because they know those are not
going to protect [censored] if they ever fall off their bikes.

I have seen the evolution of bike seats go in a logical direction and improve, and then suddenly, a
fad started the evolution of seats going backwards again. Now many seats are made as they were in
the 1800s on the old Iron made bikes, only less comfortable. Fortunately, there are a few companies
that still produce comfortable seats with enough padding and springs so that you can ride for 30 -
50 miles nonstop without the slightest discomfort to your ass. My neighbors have the tiny hard seats
and wear all the fashionable bike pants and shirts and hats, and are always complaining about how
their asses hurt and rashes they get on their asses.

Years ago, no one ever heard about getting rashes on your ass from riding a bike, but since the fad
of the tiny hard seats, this seems to be all you hear about now. Doesn't take rocket science to
figure out what is happening here.

Companies are always trying to use less parts, cheaper parts, and charge more as time goes by, and
they also have "promotional" departments to explain that the changes are actually "improvements" and
designed by sophisticated computers and that is why the seats get smaller and harder, when in fact
it is to save the costs of padding and springs which bring down the cost greatly. Ironic that these
"new and improved" seats actually cost more now in many cases. But as long as there are sheep to buy
them and shell out the money, these companies will continue to thrive.

I show my neighbors my seat and tell them I have no problems, yet they read from the bike magazines
that say they are no good, and of course something that is in print in a magazine is always going to
hold more credibility than anything you can show from personal experience.

The best part is, you can just find out for yourself as the good seats actually cost less than the
"fad" seats that give you less but cost more. Buy an extra seat and give it a try, but for at least
a 30 mile non-stop ride, not just around the block, to see how your ass feels afterwards. With those
tiny hard seats, you can't even sit on a soft couch afterwards you ass hurts so much.

This is not just some BS I read from a book or "heard from someone else" this is a fact I learned by
using dozens of seats over 3 decades of riding. I also ride to work most days, and live on the bike
more than in a car. Trust me, the seat is one of the most important things on your bike, and if you
plan to be on it a lot, comfort is very important. Otherwise, you will find that you don't enjoy
using your bike and won't be on it as much and won't realize it is because the seat is so
uncomfortable and is what is stopping you from using your bike as much.

Hosh thoughtfully penned:

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> Hi Why these saddles have to be so uncomfortable? I mean aren't they to narrowed?

The seat that comes with the bikes are [censored], throw it away and buy a real seat.

> I'm new in mountain biking. When I ride my bike my butt is killing
> me. Perhaps I do something wrong with adjustment.

Get a seat with springs and padding.

Hi Hosh, you must be new here, welcome.

Are you a serious mountain biker? You seem to be a real expert.

I have been a serious biker .....

heh, he said, "serious"

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> Hi Why these saddles have to be so uncomfortable? I mean aren't they to narrowed?

The seat that comes with the bikes are [censored], throw it away and buy a real seat.

> I'm new in mountain biking. When I ride my bike my butt is killing
> me. Perhaps I do something wrong with adjustment.

Get a seat with springs and padding.

Hi Hosh, you must be new here, welcome.

Are you a serious mountain biker? You seem to be a real expert.

I have been a serious biker even before "mountain bikes" existed. I am not one of those "fad
fanatics" that has to wear a fashionable "helmet" in order to be "cool and official". None of us
ever wore bike helmets (hats) before they became a fad, and I am not about to parade around like
one of the sheep who put flags on their cars because everyone else was doing it.

I bet you don't use a seatbelt either. Those things are such fads too. Safety be damned, I'm
different than everyone else!

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Are you a serious mountain biker? You seem to be a real expert.

I have been a serious biker even before "mountain bikes" existed. I am not one of those "fad
fanatics" that has to wear a fashionable "helmet" in order to be "cool and official". None of us
ever wore bike helmets (hats) before they became a fad, and I am not about to parade around like
one of the sheep who put flags on their cars because everyone else was doing it.

I bet you don't use a seatbelt either. Those things are such fads too.

Actually, since you are obviously not old enough to remember, not many cars HAD seatbelts in them. I
never used a seatbelt in my first cars because they didn't have any. We didn't wear bike hats
because they didn't exist. Yes now we have these things, and the funny part is, the only time I got
injured in a car accident was the one time I was wearing the seat belt. A friend of mine was not so
lucky. He was in a head on collision, and because he had his seat belt on, he was pinned into the
seat when the engine came through the car and crushed him. His front seat passenger got thrown into
the back seat because he was not wearing his seat belt and is alive to tell about it. He didn't even
have to go to the hospital, he walked away without a scratch.

I remember lots of kids falling off their bikes when we were young, but never did anyone fall on the
top of their head. Of course today, with people locking their feet onto the pedals, so many of those
knuckle heads are falling off their bikes because they are unable to just put their feet down
quickly because they are locked or strapped in. Not very intelligent.

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Safety be damned, I'm different than everyone else!

Oh I'm all for safety. That's why I don't strap my feet to the pedals, and the reason I don't need a
helmet to begin with. If I did the type of stunt riding that required a helmet, then I would get a
real helmet, not one of those stupid styrofoam sun visor caps that seem to be the big fad today when
riding a bike.

The most ridiculous thing is watching a little kid on training wheels wearing one of those. (Yes, I
have actually seen this.) How fast can a kid go on a bike? No, let me rephrase that.... How fast and
far will today's parents allow their precious brats to go on a bike these days? Up and down the
sidewalk 40 feet at slower than walking speed does not require a helmet. [censored] people ride
motorcycles without helmets, and if anything, that is where you would need one, not on a bicycle
unless you are doing stunts in one of those skateboard parks. (None of them seem to ever wear
helmets then)

Yeah, I'm different from everyone else, and that is something to be proud of. You won't find a
stupid flag sticker on my SUV, because I don't have an SUV OR a flag sticker.

Seeing someone on a bike with fancy bike clothes and hats is like wearing a big sign that says:
"Look at me, I am a mindless sheep that has to follow the latest trend and fad" Consider that no one
was riding around wearing any of that garb until only in recent years. People dress up in this
fashion only to ride around the block or on the local 5 mile paved path through the park.
Ridiculous. This is nothing more than companies trying to make money off people riding bikes that do
so because it is the "in thing".

Hey, in the 70s, you didn't see anyone riding around anything other than 10-speeds (now called "road
bikes"😉 and now everyone has to have a "mountain bike" to ride on the same paved trails and around
the block. Makes me want to get rid of my mountain bike because it is such a fad thing now, but I
had mine first before it was a fad and besides, you can't ride the other type of bikes on trails I
like to go exploring on.

The weather has kept me inside for a few days, but I wonder how long many of you hang out here
instead of going out and riding your bikes? Perhaps your seats are so uncomfortable that you choose
to stay indoors and hang out on the computer everyday. I would much rather ride than talking about
riding, so as soon as the weather allows, I am out of here and on my bike.

How is it that so many people can spend so much time on this group when the group is about
mountain-bikes?

Later.

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How is it that so many people can spend so much time on this group

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when the group is about mountain-bikes?

Later.

is that goodbye?

hint: as a newcomer to this group I suggest that you read a bit to get the "alt" part of
alt.mountain bike. ( or any alt. group for tthat matter) Big hint... alt groups are not the same at
MS.public groups.

Then, you might want to read our FAQ:
bombacommand.iwarp.comambfaq.htmOpen ↗

Everyone is really happy for you, that you don't wear a helmet without a head injury, have been
biking for 95 years, ride a big cushy seat and that you seem to know more than the rest of us.
However, if you are going to attempt to correct us in the error of our helmet-ass hachet-spd-baggies
and lycra wearing ways, we reserve the right to tease you about your ways.

Penny S

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> Are you a serious mountain biker? You seem to be a real expert.

I have been a serious biker even before "mountain bikes" existed. I

am

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not one of those "fad fanatics" that has to wear a fashionable

"helmet" in

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order to be "cool and official". None of us ever wore bike helmets (hats) before they became a
fad, and I am not about to parade around

like

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one of the sheep who put flags on their cars because everyone else was doing it.

I bet you don't use a seatbelt either. Those things are such fads too.

Actually, since you are obviously not old enough to remember, not many

cars HAD

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seatbelts in them. I never used a seatbelt in my first cars because they didn't have any.

Um, that's exactly why I brought it up. Just because nobody wore a helmet in the 70s doesn't mean
it's a stupid fad.

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We didn't wear bike hats because they didn't exist. Yes now we have these things, and the funny
part is, the only time I got

injured in

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a car accident was the one time I was wearing the seat belt. A friend

of

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mine was not so lucky. He was in a head on collision, and because he

had his

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seat belt on, he was pinned into the seat when the engine came through the

car

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and crushed him. His front seat passenger got thrown into the back seat because he was not wearing
his seat belt and is alive to tell about it.

He

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didn't even have to go to the hospital, he walked away without a scratch.

Yeah, those killer seatbelts! Those damn airbags will get ya too. I can't believe you're contending
that seat belts are dangerous.

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I remember lots of kids falling off their bikes when we were young, but

never

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did anyone fall on the top of their head.

So no kid must have even fallen on his head, then, right?

Of course today, with people locking

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their feet onto the pedals, so many of those knuckle heads are falling off

their

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bikes because they are unable to just put their feet down quickly because

they

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are locked or strapped in. Not very intelligent.

Yeah, everyone knows SPDs lock you in forever and you need a key to get out. I have never fallen
because I couldn't get my feet out of the pedals, ever.

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Safety be damned, I'm different than everyone else!

Oh I'm all for safety. That's why I don't strap my feet to the pedals,

and the

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reason I don't need a helmet to begin with. If I did the type of stunt

riding

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that required a helmet, then I would get a real helmet, not one of those

stupid

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styrofoam sun visor caps that seem to be the big fad today when riding a

bike.

I guess "stunt" riding to you consists of riding a techinical DIRT trail, eh?

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The most ridiculous thing is watching a little kid on training wheels

wearing

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one of those. (Yes, I have actually seen this.) How fast can a kid

go on a

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bike? No, let me rephrase that.... How fast and far will today's

parents

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allow their precious brats to go on a bike these days? Up and down the sidewalk 40 feet at slower
than walking speed does not require a helmet. [censored] people ride motorcycles without helmets, and if
anything, that is

where you

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would need one, not on a bicycle unless you are doing stunts in one of

those

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skateboard parks. (None of them seem to ever wear helmets then)

Yeah, I can't ever imagine a kid falling off a bike and hitting his head, that unpossible! And
why would a child on training wheels need a helmet? I must say, that is the stupidest thing I've
ever heard.

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Yeah, I'm different from everyone else, and that is something to be proud

of.

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You won't find a stupid flag sticker on my SUV, because I don't have an

SUV OR a

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flag sticker.

Seeing someone on a bike with fancy bike clothes and hats is like wearing

a big

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sign that says: "Look at me, I am a mindless sheep that has to follow the

latest

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trend and fad"

No, the sign should say "Look at me, I like to be comfortable, cool and safe while I ride." I bet
you wear cotton shirts and cutoff jeans when you ride, right?

Consider that no one was riding around wearing any of that

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garb until only in recent years. People dress up in this fashion only

to

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ride around the block or on the local 5 mile paved path through the park. Ridiculous. This is
nothing more than companies trying to make money

off

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people riding bikes that do so because it is the "in thing".

Hey, in the 70s, you didn't see anyone riding around anything other than 10-speeds (now called
"road bikes"😉 and now everyone has to have a

"mountain

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bike" to ride on the same paved trails and around the block. Makes me

want to

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get rid of my mountain bike because it is such a fad thing now, but I had

mine

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first before it was a fad and besides, you can't ride the other type of

bikes on

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trails I like to go exploring on.

The weather has kept me inside for a few days, but I wonder how long many

of you

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hang out here instead of going out and riding your bikes? Perhaps your

seats

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are so uncomfortable that you choose to stay indoors and hang out on the computer everyday. I
would much rather ride than talking about

riding, so

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as soon as the weather allows, I am out of here and on my bike.

How is it that so many people can spend so much time on this group when

the

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group is about mountain-bikes?

Ahh, the old "you must not ride cuz you post here". Nice, that's a real classic.

To sum this all up, you don't wear a helmet and you like to use a kick stand because your bike will
get hurt. It's a bike, lean the damn thing over, it won't cry or get hurt.

You're either an excellent troll or a puddinhead. Better get on out and hit the sidewalk
there cheif.

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Actually, since you are obviously not old enough to remember, not many

cars HAD

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seatbelts in them. I never used a seatbelt in my first cars because they didn't have any. We
didn't wear bike hats because they didn't exist.

Yes

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now we have these things, and the funny part is, the only time I got

injured in

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a car accident was the one time I was wearing the seat belt. A friend

of

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mine was not so lucky. He was in a head on collision, and because he

had his

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seat belt on, he was pinned into the seat when the engine came through the

car

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and crushed him. His front seat passenger got thrown into the back seat because he was not wearing
his seat belt and is alive to tell about it.

He

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didn't even have to go to the hospital, he walked away without a scratch.

I remember lots of kids falling off their bikes when we were young, but

never

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did anyone fall on the top of their head. Of course today, with people

locking

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their feet onto the pedals, so many of those knuckle heads are falling off

their

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bikes because they are unable to just put their feet down quickly because

they

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are locked or strapped in. Not very intelligent.

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Safety be damned, I'm different than everyone else!

Oh I'm all for safety. That's why I don't strap my feet to the pedals,

and the

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reason I don't need a helmet to begin with. If I did the type of stunt

riding

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that required a helmet, then I would get a real helmet, not one of those

stupid

Quoted message said:

styrofoam sun visor caps that seem to be the big fad today when riding a

bike.

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The most ridiculous thing is watching a little kid on training wheels

wearing

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one of those. (Yes, I have actually seen this.) How fast can a kid

go on a

Quoted message said:

bike? No, let me rephrase that.... How fast and far will today's

parents

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allow their precious brats to go on a bike these days? Up and down the sidewalk 40 feet at slower
than walking speed does not require a helmet. [censored] people ride motorcycles without helmets, and if
anything, that is

where you

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would need one, not on a bicycle unless you are doing stunts in one of

those

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skateboard parks. (None of them seem to ever wear helmets then)

Yeah, I'm different from everyone else, and that is something to be proud

of.

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You won't find a stupid flag sticker on my SUV, because I don't have an

SUV OR a

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flag sticker.

Seeing someone on a bike with fancy bike clothes and hats is like wearing

a big

Quoted message said:

sign that says: "Look at me, I am a mindless sheep that has to follow the

latest

Quoted message said:

trend and fad" Consider that no one was riding around wearing any of

that

Quoted message said:

garb until only in recent years. People dress up in this fashion only

to

Quoted message said:

ride around the block or on the local 5 mile paved path through the park. Ridiculous. This is
nothing more than companies trying to make money

off

Quoted message said:

people riding bikes that do so because it is the "in thing".

Hey, in the 70s, you didn't see anyone riding around anything other than 10-speeds (now called
"road bikes"😉 and now everyone has to have a

"mountain

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bike" to ride on the same paved trails and around the block. Makes me

want to

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get rid of my mountain bike because it is such a fad thing now, but I had

mine

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first before it was a fad and besides, you can't ride the other type of

bikes on

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trails I like to go exploring on.

The weather has kept me inside for a few days, but I wonder how long many

of you

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hang out here instead of going out and riding your bikes? Perhaps your

seats

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are so uncomfortable that you choose to stay indoors and hang out on the computer everyday. I
would much rather ride than talking about

riding, so

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as soon as the weather allows, I am out of here and on my bike.

How is it that so many people can spend so much time on this group when

the

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group is about mountain-bikes?

Later.

Man, you are a serious rider and so much more informed and knowledgeable than the rest of us. Better
rider, more experienced, definitely more skilled. Funny how you know all that, you and I have never
met, but I guess you know everyone else personally.

--
Craig Brossman, Durango Colorado (remove .nospam. if replying)

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> Hi Why these saddles have to be so uncomfortable? I mean aren't they to narrowed?

The seat that comes with the bikes are [censored], throw it away and buy a real seat.

> I'm new in mountain biking. When I ride my bike my butt is killing
> me. Perhaps I do something wrong with adjustment.

Get a seat with springs and padding.

Hi Hosh, you must be new here, welcome.

Are you a serious mountain biker? You seem to be a real expert.

I have been a serious biker even before "mountain bikes" existed.

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Trust me, the seat is one of the most important things on your bike, and if you plan to be on it
a lot, comfort is very important. Otherwise, you will find that you don't enjoy using your bike
and won't be on it as much and won't realize it is because the seat is so uncomfortable and is
what is stopping you from using your bike as much.

I'm suprised that nobody recommended this---

sheldonbrown.comreal man.htmlOpen ↗

A true cl-ass-ic

mike (don't want no girly saddle) jones

Sorry if this gets posted twice; didn't notice first time it went to "rec.bicycles" only even though
I was replying w/i AM-B. (?!?)

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The seat that comes with the bikes are [censored], throw it away and buy a real seat.

Get a seat with springs and padding.

To which "Penny" replied (but Mr. Expert doesn't know how to quote/attribute):

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Hi Hosh, you must be new here, welcome.

Are you a serious mountain biker? You seem to be a real expert.

I have been a serious biker even before "mountain bikes" existed. I am not one of those "fad
fanatics" that has to wear a fashionable "helmet" in order to be "cool and official".

{Ample proof snipped.}

Gosh, Hosh, methinks thouest brain goeth Slosh! Have you met J. Puddinhead*?!?

Bill "we got a live one here, folks" S.

* my spell check suggested Muttonhead! (LOL, a little.)

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> Hi Why these saddles have to be so uncomfortable? I mean aren't they to narrowed?

The seat that comes with the bikes are [censored], throw it away and buy a real seat.

> I'm new in mountain biking. When I ride my bike my butt is killing
> me. Perhaps I do something wrong with adjustment.

Get a seat with springs and padding.

Hi Hosh, you must be new here, welcome.

Are you a serious mountain biker? You seem to be a real expert.

I have been a serious biker even before "mountain bikes" existed. I am

Blah-blah.

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Neither time did I land on my head.

Then, it must have been something else that did you the damage.

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The best part is, you can just find out for yourself as the good seats actually cost less than the
"fad" seats that give you less but cost more. Buy an extra seat and give it a try, but for at
least a 30 mile non-stop ride, not just around the block, to see how your ass feels afterwards.
With those tiny hard seats, you can't even sit on a soft couch afterwards you ass hurts so much.

I have ridden many different seats, from sprung and padded, to just padded, to foam padded with gel
cover pad, to the ones I use now, which are the correct shape _for my behind_, and firm enough in
the right places to support _my sitbones_.

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This is not just some BS I read from a book or "heard from someone else" this is a fact I learned
by using dozens of seats over 3 decades of riding.

And most here who you are arguing with are talking from many, many years personal experience.

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I also ride to work most days, and live on the bike more than in a car.

hurrah for us.

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Trust me,

Huh - ain't gonna happen.

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the seat is one of the most important things on your bike, and if you plan to be on it a lot,
comfort is very important. Otherwise, you will find that you don't enjoy using your bike and won't
be on it as much and won't realize it is because the seat is so uncomfortable and is what is
stopping you from using your bike as much.

Oh, and of course, everyone has the same [censored] as you do - you really are quite stupid you know.

Shaun aRe

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> Hi Why these saddles have to be so uncomfortable? I mean aren't they to narrowed?

The seat that comes with the bikes are [censored], throw it away and buy a real seat.

> I'm new in mountain biking. When I ride my bike my butt is killing
> me. Perhaps I do something wrong with adjustment.

Get a seat with springs and padding.

Hi Hosh, you must be new here, welcome.

Are you a serious mountain biker? You seem to be a real expert.

I have been a serious biker even before "mountain bikes" existed.

You're lying. You're 14 uears old.

Hosh said:

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I for one have to strongly disagree with this widely stated false myth. After getting a well
padded seat with springs, I can ride for hours with comfort. With those [censored] skinny hard seats
that all the "pros" recommend, I can't ride for more than 30 seconds.

I thought the same thing until my LBS let me start bolting saddles on my bike for a ride around
the lot -- until I found one that fit ok.

Not a good test. You need to try them for a 30 mile ride or so before you find out which ones give
you a sore ass.

You're right, I need a couple of days to make sure of a saddle. But, riding around the parking lot
can slim the choices to ones that have a chance at working.

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My impetus was that I couldn't get behind the well padded saddles easily enough for the descents
that I was doing

Jesus Christ, the padding doesn't make it THAT much bigger than you can't get behind
it. And also keep in mind, that if the saddle isn't a hard rock, you don't have to get off of
it for every bump in the trail, you can actually sit on it most of the time.

Maybe for you, but when I'm going down that steep hill and I see that root across the trail with a
big hole right after it, I sure don't want to snag the saddle with my legs while I'm getting back
over that tire FAST (been there, done that <sigh>😉.

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With the tiny hard steel type seats, I would have to do most of the ride off of it. Now I can
actually sit on the seat for the full 30 - 50 miles and not have a sore ass when I am done to the
point that I can't sit down for 2 days like I did when I fell for all the BS about the tiny hard
seats and used them.

Actually, I like the Terry Men's Fly TriGel. It has just enough padding and gel to be comfortable --
but it's still firm enough to support me where I need it and thin enough that I don't have any
problems getting back. I've done several 135 mile rides on it 🙂 -- yea, on a mountain bike...

David

Watching the Tour de France I was just about to fall asleep during a dull time when the English
commentator told the story of one racer using a NEW saddle costing 3000gbp which had just the shell
and no cover. Did I mis hear, has anybody heard of this beastie? Mike

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I'm new in mountain biking. When I ride my bike my butt is killing me. Perhaps I do something wrong
with adjustment.

1) Read and heed the posts about sit-bone width.

2) Note that there's a VAST difference in the amount of butt-saddle contact time between a hard
rider and somebody who is just noodeling along. My impression is that "Real" riders (that's not
me...) mostly pedal at an intensity that has their butt sort of floating over the saddle rather
than sitting on it.

3) Note that position plays a major role. Even though I don't ride that hard, getting bars set so
that my weight is balanced between my butt, feet, and arms instead of bearing all on my butt
makes a huge difference. The saddles everybody's touting as the "right" saddles (relatively
narrow, firm rather than padded) aren't designed to be sat upon as in "seat". Instead they're
used as a guide and a support for *part* of the riders weight.

4) Given that everything's in order vis-a-vis #1, perseverence and a decent set of padded shorts
plays a major role. There's a lot of kvetching even from seasoned riders at the beginning of a
season. A few weeks of riding, and something-or-other seems to either toughen up, go numb, or get
less punishment.

5) Whatever kind of saddle you get, compliment it with a two-bolt mico-adjustable post. On mine, a
quarter-turn of adjustment is perceptable and a half-turn is definately a comfort issue.

6) If you're riding a hardtail, consider a suspended seatpost like the ThudBuster. Personally I
mostly ride FS - so it's not a issue there... Periodically I enjoy riding my hardtail - but I
couldn't do it without the ThudBuster post that I have on it.
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PeteCresswell

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How is it that so many people can spend so much time on this group when the group is about
mountain-bikes?

802.11g mesh access points in the wild. Didn't you wonder why all the new mountain bikes have those
little computers? They're all newsreaders for A.M-B

We're never out of touch.

nk

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In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

How is it that so many people can spend so much time on this group when the group is about
mountain-bikes?

802.11g mesh access points in the wild. Didn't you wonder why all the new mountain bikes have
those little computers? They're all newsreaders for A.M-B

We're never out of touch.

nk

heh, next year we'll have live web cams that post to a web site interface by satellite, in Idaho.

Penny

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notaknob scribbled :

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In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

How is it that so many people can spend so much time on this group when the group is about
mountain-bikes?

802.11g mesh access points in the wild. Didn't you wonder why all the new mountain bikes have
those little computers? They're all newsreaders for A.M-B

We're never out of touch.

nk

heh, next year we'll have live web cams that post to a web site interface by satellite, in Idaho.

Those of us with GSM already have it...

nokia.com0,,137,00.htmlOpen ↗

You just have to setup the automated RR configuration script.

nk