Mud Tyre recomendations

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Any other suggestions?

Yeah, don't ride muddy trails.

JD

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Any other suggestions?

Yeah, don't ride muddy trails.

I don't think waiting in the car park will give me the result I'm after...
These are purpose built tracks in a city park aproved and managed by the
council.

Mud is not to mess with. Stay off muddy trails, only fools
ride after a long long rain. Let the trails dry.

MTB Ride hard die free.

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Mud is not to mess with. Stay off muddy trails, only fools
ride after a long long rain. Let the trails dry.

MTB Ride hard die free.

Don't you morons get it? It's a purpose built race track. Not a trail in a
park.....

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Mud is not to mess with. Stay off muddy trails, only fools
ride after a long long rain. Let the trails dry.

MTB Ride hard die free.

Don't you morons get it? It's a purpose built race track. Not a trail in

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park.....

I was trying to find a diplomatic way of putting it, but that sums it up.
I've narrowed down the choice to whether I put the tractor tyre on the front
or the back.
On the back seems to make sense for getting drive out of corners, but on the
front I have less chance of a surprise front slide and less rolling
resistance...

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Don't you maroons get it? It's a purpose built race track. Not a trail in a
park.....

So?..... A muddy puddle that is ridden through will still ruin the trail,
whether it is through semi-virgin wilderness or tin the middle of a
"race-track". Now, if the puddle is a
"feature" in the track, it would be a different story, but it doesn't sound
like that is the case.
If Brands Hatch develops a pot-hole, do you ask which tyres are best for that?
No, you fix the fsckin' thing or you don't drive the course.

Steve "pragmatist"

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Don't you maroons get it? It's a purpose built race track. Not a trail in a
park.....

So?..... A muddy puddle that is ridden through will still ruin the trail,
whether it is through semi-virgin wilderness or tin the middle of a
"race-track".

a) Who mentioned anything about puddles? I've ridden plenty of muddy
trails without surface water. Don't twist the argument.
b) Most races are held on private land, so it's nobody's business except
the owner / organisers.

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If Brands Hatch develops a pot-hole, do you ask which tyres are best for that?

No, but if the course is race-worthy and conditions are wet, you might.

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No, you fix the fsckin' thing or you don't drive the course.

That is a terrible analogy, but let's run with it anyway. Suppose you
turned up to Brands Hatch having paid a large entrance fee to race, and
part of the track was crumbling. Would you expect to get out there and
repair it yourself?

Personally, I'm getting fed up of all you Sepos that purport the notion
that all riding in mud is a 'Bad Thing'. Maybe it is where you live, but
don't force your opinions of right and wrong on the rest of the world
(hmm, that sounds familiar...).

In Europe, if we waited for the trails to dry every time we wanted to
ride, we'd have about three riding days per year. You look after your
trails, we'll look after ours.

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That is a terrible analogy, but let's run with it anyway.

Pppppffffttttt............

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In Europe, if we waited for the trails to dry every time we wanted to
ride, we'd have about three riding days per year.

I hear that, and I've BTDT. ;-)
My point (looking back at my post and trying to figure out what the point may
have been) was that calling people maroons because their "ethics" trail-wise
are not the same as yours is a bit feeble. Yes, muddy trails in the US are to
be avoided, by local custom if nothing else. Yes, it is a "purpose-built
race-track" not a ribbon of ST in virgin wilderness, etc., etc. etc.
USians comment from their perspective. Calling them morons may occasionally be
accurate, or it may be self-descriptive. ;-P

Steve

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Don't you maroons get it? It's a purpose built race track. Not a trail

in a

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park.....

So?..... A muddy puddle that is ridden through will still ruin the trail,
whether it is through semi-virgin wilderness or tin the middle of a
"race-track". Now, if the puddle is a
"feature" in the track, it would be a different story, but it doesn't

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like that is the case.

Mud is not neccesarily a puddle. The track in question is a combination of
multi use hard pack tracks which do not accumulate water and 'MTB only'
tracks built by and maintained by the club. The latter tracks are very
slimy when wet and if a puddle develops it is covered with gravel or crates.

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If Brands Hatch develops a pot-hole, do you ask which tyres are best for

that?

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No, you fix the fsckin' thing or you don't drive the course.

Thankfully MTBing is a little more versatile and can accomodate far more
varied terrain.

These pics are from the course on dry nights, at the moment there is a thin
but slimey coating of mud:
http://fullgas.fotopic.net/p6301897.html
http://fullgas.fotopic.net/p6112099.html
http://fullgas.fotopic.net/p5598442.html

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The track in question is a combination of
multi use hard pack tracks which do not accumulate water and 'MTB only'
tracks built by and maintained by the club.

Ah, well. Just goes to show that even the most well-intentioned of us stick
our feet in our mouths occasionally ;-)

Steve "Mftertunwert"

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Any other suggestions?

Yeah, don't ride muddy trails.

I don't think waiting in the car park will give me the result I'm after...

Why, if you are "training", do you drive to the trailhead? If you are
so "serious", why don't you get a road bike for when the trails are
too muddy to ride?

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These are purpose built tracks in a city park aproved and managed by the
council.

So, riding muddy trails is not good for any trail. Do you think every
other wannabe racer is happy to ride in your mud ruts when they dry?

JD

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These pics are from the course on dry nights, at the moment there is a thin
but slimey coating of mud:
http://fullgas.fotopic.net/p6301897.html
http://fullgas.fotopic.net/p6112099.html
http://fullgas.fotopic.net/p5598442.html

This one shows a close up inspection of the course better.

http://fullgas.fotopic.net/p6305378.html

Rob

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> Any other suggestions?

Yeah, don't ride muddy trails.

I don't think waiting in the car park will give me the result I'm

after...

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Why, if you are "training", do you drive to the trailhead? If you are
so "serious", why don't you get a road bike for when the trails are
too muddy to ride?

Where did I say I drove? I ride to the races, it's a great warm up.
I do have a road bike and I do ride it for alternative training. Why would
I go for a training ride instead of the race I'm training for?

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These are purpose built tracks in a city park aproved and managed by the
council.

So, riding muddy trails is not good for any trail. Do you think every
other wannabe racer is happy to ride in your mud ruts when they dry?

I don't know who the wannabe racers are, all the people riding these tracks
are real racers and accept the realities of a regularly used race track.

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So, riding muddy trails is not good for any trail. Do you think every
other wannabe racer is happy to ride in your mud ruts when they dry?

I don't know who the wannabe racers are, all the people riding these tracks
are real racers and accept the realities of a regularly used race track.

Check the mirror, clyde. You are so far from reality, you wouldn't
know a "real" racer if they ran you over. Amateur racing is a joke
and you are doing a good job in confirming this by the obvious
disregard for the trails you and your wannabe pals wreck by riding
when conditions are poor.

JD

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Check the mirror, clyde. You are so far from reality, you wouldn't
know a "real" racer if they ran you over. Amateur racing is a joke
and you are doing a good job in confirming this by the obvious
disregard for the trails you and your wannabe pals wreck by riding
when conditions are poor.

Hey, Grumpy-pants. Quit lecturing people on situations you know nothing
about.

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So, riding muddy trails is not good for any trail. Do you think every
other wannabe racer is happy to ride in your mud ruts when they dry?

I don't know who the wannabe racers are, all the people riding these

tracks

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are real racers and accept the realities of a regularly used race track.

Check the mirror, clyde. You are so far from reality, you wouldn't
know a "real" racer if they ran you over. Amateur racing is a joke
and you are doing a good job in confirming this by the obvious
disregard for the trails you and your wannabe pals wreck by riding
when conditions are poor.

Not sure what you consider a "real" racer, is professional close enough?
In which case I haven't been run over by one but I have been politely passed
by a couple in a recent handicap event.
The dirt crits are organised and frequented by several professional riders.

I did a quick google search on AMB and it seems you're quite the troll. You
seem to have absolutely no idea of the nature of the riding I'm doing so
continuing this thread is a waste of time. Go find someone else to provoke
:-)

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> So, riding muddy trails is not good for any trail. Do you think
> every other wannabe racer is happy to ride in your mud ruts when
> they dry?

I don't know who the wannabe racers are, all the people riding
these

tracks

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are real racers and accept the realities of a regularly used race
track.

Check the mirror, clyde. You are so far from reality, you wouldn't
know a "real" racer if they ran you over. Amateur racing is a joke
and you are doing a good job in confirming this by the obvious
disregard for the trails you and your wannabe pals wreck by riding
when conditions are poor.

Not sure what you consider a "real" racer, is professional close
enough? In which case I haven't been run over by one but I have been
politely passed by a couple in a recent handicap event.
The dirt crits are organised and frequented by several professional
riders.

I did a quick google search on AMB and it seems you're quite the
troll. You seem to have absolutely no idea of the nature of the
riding I'm doing so continuing this thread is a waste of time. Go
find someone else to provoke
:-)

Well. It sure didn't take you long to get his number. I quess everyone is
right; Google IS your friend....

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Hi,
It's been raining a lot here and the local dirt crit course has turned to

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mudbath.
I've just moved up to A-grade and I'm finding the pace leaves no room for
error with tyre selction.
I had a Hutchinson python gold on the front last time and I could barely
take the sweepers without it sliding.
The course is full of very tight very muddy switchbacks.

I'm predicting a mud bath again this week so was wondering what
configuration people recomend.

I have the following tyres to choose from:

Nokian Gazzaloddi - 2.1, 2.3, 2.6, 3.0 - take yer pick. ',;~}~

Shaun aRe - I can't help it!

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> So, riding muddy trails is not good for any trail. Do you think every
> other wannabe racer is happy to ride in your mud ruts when they dry?

I don't know who the wannabe racers are, all the people riding these

tracks

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are real racers and accept the realities of a regularly used race track.

Check the mirror, clyde. You are so far from reality, you wouldn't
know a "real" racer if they ran you over. Amateur racing is a joke
and you are doing a good job in confirming this by the obvious
disregard for the trails you and your wannabe pals wreck by riding
when conditions are poor.

Not sure what you consider a "real" racer, is professional close enough?
In which case I haven't been run over by one but I have been politely passed
by a couple in a recent handicap event.

BFD

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The dirt crits are organised and frequented by several professional riders.

BFD

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I did a quick google search on AMB and it seems you're quite the troll.

BFD

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You
seem to have absolutely no idea of the nature of the riding I'm doing so
continuing this thread is a waste of time.

White Flag time because you know you are in the wrong. The bottom
line is that you are riding muddy trails, all for the sake of
"racing". Go read the IMBA rules of the trail and tell us all again
how your and your wannabe racer pals are not wrong for riding muddy
trails. You're only kidding yourselves.

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Go find someone else to provoke

Go find some other "fad" to be stylish and selfish with. Better yet,
go to Bells Beach and cut off a local surfer and afterwards give them
the excuse that you are "training" for a surf meet. Then you can post
from the hospital how your lack of etiquette got you beaten to a pulp.

JD