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    I am a 31 year old white male who has been a heavy advocate of
    Vitamins and supplements all my adolecent life. Routinely taking
    various vitamins and supplements over the years. Multi's, Q10, E,
    oils, etc. I pretty much have used them all at one point and have used
    Multi's consistently all through my 20's. I have spent a lot of time
    and money in making sure I used the so called top of the line Multi's,
    especially LEF MultiMix once I found them in my late 20's. Never one
    to just use what was available at the local Health Food store (Solgar,
    Twinlabs, etc).

    Anyway, Once I hit 30 or a little after, I seemed to have hit a
    barrier. I have 100% determined that Multi's give me headaches. I
    found this through Trial. I started to suffer headaches it for which I
    thought was either my sinuses, allergies, or some other ailement I
    might have developed or has gotten to point of affecting me. For about
    a year, I just could not pin point the cause and thought it was just
    allergies and could never determine what triggered them with any
    consistency.

    Until one day I was speaking with my mother and she had told me that
    she suffers bad headaches from vitamins and that when she was
    young/pregnant, her docter put her on vitamins that gave her headaches
    and how she was never able to take vitamins because of headaches. So
    that instantly triggered a light for me and I stopped cold turkey
    from ALL of my supplements to experiment. This was earlier this year
    and for about about a month or two. And for the whole time I was
    headache FREE.

    Not believing it, I started back up on my LEF. The FIRST day within a
    few hours of taking, I started to get a headache. I still persisted
    with my second dose for the day and by nighttime my headache was so
    bad I had to take an Advil (which helps btw). The headaches are on my
    right side and towards the front and middle-right of my head. It is
    not a sharp pain, but a constant "pressure" which just nags and takes
    away from me doing anything as the nagging is really just bothersome.

    So I stopped cold turkey again for a month and ordered a Multi from
    VRP thinking that maybe LEF had some ingredient I somehow got allergic
    to or something that shouldn't be in there. Nope, VRP gave me SAME
    symptoms. I sent them back and remained off Vitamims (Multi's) since.
    That was back in June. I still took Q10, and some Fish Oil with no
    problems. Then I was at Health store and decided to pick up some
    Solgar's to just try and see. HEADACHE (although not as pronounced as
    the more powerful LEF/VRP's). At the same time I picked up some
    Ionic-Fizz stuff (Calcium/mag supplement with some C and a few
    others). I stopped the Solgar but continued with the Fizz drink. No
    problems.

    So SOMETHING or a combonation of somethings have started to definetly
    started to cause headaches for me in Multi's after 30 or so. But
    WHAT?? And WHY?
    All of this has started to lead me to believe that supplements are
    just a waste and that something that was supposed to be 'natural' and
    needed by the body, has now started to get rejected. Could I just be
    more sensitive to this than majority who never feel it? Could possibly
    Genetics play a role in this?? And if so, why did it develop ALL of a
    sudden? Is there possibly something wrong with me that Vitamins maybe
    triggering a response to?

    I wonder. But in meantime, no more multi's for me. It feels weird as I
    feel I am cheating my body now as I have always been a believer in a
    daily Multi. But this has shed light on me to just skip the so called
    shortcuts and now start to take real natural path...Healthier eating
    to give your body what it needs, not some PILL.. I even may look into
    Whole food drinks, etc.

    Thanks
    Scott

  2. "Scott N" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    Anyway, Once I hit 30 or a little after, I seemed to have hit a
    barrier. I have 100% determined that Multi's give me headaches...

    All of this has started to lead me to believe that supplements are
    just a waste and that something that was supposed to be 'natural' and
    needed by the body, has now started to get rejected...

    Thanks
    Scott

    Since your headaches are one-sided, maybe the multies don't
    provide the balance your body needs, and actually chemically
    or nutritionally imbalance something. There is quite a bit on the
    sidedness of headaches and their nutritional causes on this web
    site: www.acu-cell.com/dis-hea.html which may offer some
    explanation of why some of these ingredients are causing your
    headaches.
    As far as the "all-of-a-sudden-onset" is concerned --, it's hard
    to tell why turning 30 would trigger them, but requirements for
    certain nutrients do change for some people as they get older,
    or as they develop specific medical conditions (high blood
    pressure, low blood sugar, etc.), so perhaps the types and
    amount of nutrients supplied in the multies you tried just don't
    agree with your system any longer.
    Heather

  3. Have to agree with that one. Any multivitamins s I have seen are mostly
    garbage sources and will hurt you sooner or later.

    Just stop taking them for a few weeks and see what happens.

    "Heather" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Scott N" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    Anyway, Once I hit 30 or a little after, I seemed to have hit a
    barrier. I have 100% determined that Multi's give me headaches...

    All of this has started to lead me to believe that supplements are
    just a waste and that something that was supposed to be 'natural' and
    needed by the body, has now started to get rejected...

    Thanks
    Scott

    Since your headaches are one-sided, maybe the multies don't
    provide the balance your body needs, and actually chemically
    or nutritionally imbalance something. There is quite a bit on the
    sidedness of headaches and their nutritional causes on this web
    site: www.acu-cell.com/dis-hea.html which may offer some
    explanation of why some of these ingredients are causing your
    headaches.
    As far as the "all-of-a-sudden-onset" is concerned --, it's hard
    to tell why turning 30 would trigger them, but requirements for
    certain nutrients do change for some people as they get older,
    or as they develop specific medical conditions (high blood
    pressure, low blood sugar, etc.), so perhaps the types and
    amount of nutrients supplied in the multies you tried just don't
    agree with your system any longer.
    Heather

  4. Piezzo Guru said:

    Have to agree with that one. Any multivitamins s I have seen are mostly
    garbage sources and will hurt you sooner or later.

    Just stop taking them for a few weeks and see what happens.


    Whar sources might those be?

  5. Magnesium oxide does not disolve in your digestive system. Iron blocks the
    uptake of vitamin E and the list can go on forever. Calcium carbonate is
    garbage. Companies that combine all the vitamins usually have no idea of
    mixing compounds for absorption, neither do they care.

    "MikeL" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Piezzo Guru said:

    Have to agree with that one. Any multivitamins s I have seen are mostly
    garbage sources and will hurt you sooner or later.

    Just stop taking them for a few weeks and see what happens.


    Whar sources might those be?

  6. "Heather" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:


    Since your headaches are one-sided, maybe the multies don't
    provide the balance your body needs, and actually chemically
    or nutritionally imbalance something. There is quite a bit on the
    sidedness of headaches and their nutritional causes on this web
    site: www.acu-cell.com/dis-hea.html which may offer some
    explanation of why some of these ingredients are causing your
    headaches.
    As far as the "all-of-a-sudden-onset" is concerned --, it's hard
    to tell why turning 30 would trigger them, but requirements for
    certain nutrients do change for some people as they get older,
    or as they develop specific medical conditions (high blood
    pressure, low blood sugar, etc.), so perhaps the types and
    amount of nutrients supplied in the multies you tried just don't
    agree with your system any longer.
    Heather

    Thanks for all the interesting replies. All very insightful.

    Heather,
    Your is a VERY interesting reply and a search of this newsgroup came
    across some older threads regarding this different side thing as well.
    Why I find it very interesting is the fact that I have mentioned that
    the headaches occur on the right side of my head. So this would make
    the right list what I should be having problems with and the left list
    are ingredients I should be able to tolerate. I mentioned in my
    original post I am still taking a product called Ionic-Fizz I picked
    up at store that just looked good for me at the time as I was looking
    for a calcium drink. And this product does not give me any problems
    what so ever. Take a look at the list in the link you provided and
    then look at this ingredient list:

    Ionic Magnesium 300 mg
    Ionic Calcium 250 mg
    Ionic Zinc 2 mg
    Ionic Manganese 1 mg
    Ionic Copper 250 mcg
    Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) 250 mg
    Vitamin A (palmitate) 250 mg
    Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine HCL) 1 mg
    Vitamin B12 (cyanocobalamin) 30 mcg
    Vitamin D (ergocalciferol) 100 IU
    Folic acid 50 mcg
    Ionic Potassium 100 mg
    Ionic Boron 500 mcg
    Silica (horsetail herb) 1 mg

    This product just about shares both sides of the list and questions
    the claims of that theory. I suspect, as mentioned in my other thread
    at sci-life-extension, that it is a grown allergic reaction to a
    filler/binder. Or possibly a deficiency in something that a multi
    alone is not correcting? Or some kind of conflicting dose ratio?

    Actually, this headache incident with Multi's and the ensuing search
    for a reason has shaken up my whole belief in supplements even more.
    The above example is one reason. It seems more and more to me that
    this is such an inexact science with conflicting ideas of ideal
    supplementation and dose, that one might be better off not taking
    them? Just as Piezzo mentioned in this thread, I doubt the supplement
    makers follow published mixing conflicts (along with the UNKNOWN ones
    yet to be discovered), poor absorbtion conclusions of cheaper
    ingredients, natural vs synthetic, etc and as stated...nor do they
    care. Marketing is the prime concern. Probably even over
    quality/purity?

    Keep any thoughts coming.

    Scott N

  7. This Ionic company is so ashamed of their product that have to make up names
    for the real compounds in their product?

    "Scott N" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Heather" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:


    Since your headaches are one-sided, maybe the multies don't
    provide the balance your body needs, and actually chemically
    or nutritionally imbalance something. There is quite a bit on the
    sidedness of headaches and their nutritional causes on this web
    site: www.acu-cell.com/dis-hea.html which may offer some
    explanation of why some of these ingredients are causing your
    headaches.
    As far as the "all-of-a-sudden-onset" is concerned --, it's hard
    to tell why turning 30 would trigger them, but requirements for
    certain nutrients do change for some people as they get older,
    or as they develop specific medical conditions (high blood
    pressure, low blood sugar, etc.), so perhaps the types and
    amount of nutrients supplied in the multies you tried just don't
    agree with your system any longer.
    Heather

    Thanks for all the interesting replies. All very insightful.

    Heather,
    Your is a VERY interesting reply and a search of this newsgroup came
    across some older threads regarding this different side thing as well.
    Why I find it very interesting is the fact that I have mentioned that
    the headaches occur on the right side of my head. So this would make
    the right list what I should be having problems with and the left list
    are ingredients I should be able to tolerate. I mentioned in my
    original post I am still taking a product called Ionic-Fizz I picked
    up at store that just looked good for me at the time as I was looking
    for a calcium drink. And this product does not give me any problems
    what so ever. Take a look at the list in the link you provided and
    then look at this ingredient list:

    Ionic Magnesium 300 mg
    Ionic Calcium 250 mg
    Ionic Zinc 2 mg
    Ionic Manganese 1 mg
    Ionic Copper 250 mcg
    Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) 250 mg
    Vitamin A (palmitate) 250 mg
    Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine HCL) 1 mg
    Vitamin B12 (cyanocobalamin) 30 mcg
    Vitamin D (ergocalciferol) 100 IU
    Folic acid 50 mcg
    Ionic Potassium 100 mg
    Ionic Boron 500 mcg
    Silica (horsetail herb) 1 mg

    This product just about shares both sides of the list and questions
    the claims of that theory. I suspect, as mentioned in my other thread
    at sci-life-extension, that it is a grown allergic reaction to a
    filler/binder. Or possibly a deficiency in something that a multi
    alone is not correcting? Or some kind of conflicting dose ratio?

    Actually, this headache incident with Multi's and the ensuing search
    for a reason has shaken up my whole belief in supplements even more.
    The above example is one reason. It seems more and more to me that
    this is such an inexact science with conflicting ideas of ideal
    supplementation and dose, that one might be better off not taking
    them? Just as Piezzo mentioned in this thread, I doubt the supplement
    makers follow published mixing conflicts (along with the UNKNOWN ones
    yet to be discovered), poor absorbtion conclusions of cheaper
    ingredients, natural vs synthetic, etc and as stated...nor do they
    care. Marketing is the prime concern. Probably even over
    quality/purity?

    Keep any thoughts coming.

    Scott N

  8. "Scott N" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Heather,
    Why I find it very interesting is the fact that I have mentioned that
    the headaches occur on the right side of my head. So this would make
    the right list what I should be having problems with and the left list
    are ingredients I should be able to tolerate. I mentioned in my
    original post I am still taking a product called Ionic-Fizz I picked
    up at store that just looked good for me at the time as I was looking
    for a calcium drink. And this product does not give me any problems
    what so ever. Take a look at the list in the link you provided and
    then look at this ingredient list:

    Ionic Magnesium 300 mg
    Ionic Calcium 250 mg
    Ionic Zinc 2 mg
    Ionic Manganese 1 mg
    Ionic Copper 250 mcg
    Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) 250 mg
    Vitamin A (palmitate) 250 mg
    Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine HCL) 1 mg
    Vitamin B12 (cyanocobalamin) 30 mcg
    Vitamin D (ergocalciferol) 100 IU
    Folic acid 50 mcg
    Ionic Potassium 100 mg
    Ionic Boron 500 mcg
    Silica (horsetail herb) 1 mg

    This product just about shares both sides of the list and questions
    the claims of that theory.

    Actually, the way I see it, only calcium and magnesium would
    (barely) have any impact since the amounts of the other
    ingredients are basically too low to have any effect at all.
    Since magnesium is much higher than calcium given the usual
    1:2 calcium-magnesium ratio, this formulation would favor
    lessening a right-sided headache provided you are the appropriate
    "A or B" headache type. But again, it is doubtful that even
    calcium or magnesium at those levels would do anything.

    I use nothing but that acu-cell method for headaches myself now,
    and the first time in my life I am almost completely headache-free,
    or I can at least get rid of one within a reasonable time period.
    Tylenol or Aspirin-types of drugs give me more headaches or other
    problems, and I just haven't found anything else that helps.

    Quoted message said:

    I suspect, as mentioned in my other thread
    at sci-life-extension, that it is a grown allergic reaction to a
    filler/binder. Or possibly a deficiency in something that a multi
    alone is not correcting? Or some kind of conflicting dose ratio?

    Swiss Herbal company sells two manganese tabs, one with herbal
    fillers, and the other with plain fillers. I know 2 people who both
    had originally taken the type with the herbal fillers and one got a
    rash, and the other a headache with them, but neither had any
    problems after switching to the tabs with the plain fillers, despite
    both being sold by the same company.

    Quoted message said:

    Actually, this headache incident with Multi's and the ensuing search
    for a reason has shaken up my whole belief in supplements even more.
    The above example is one reason. It seems more and more to me that
    this is such an inexact science with conflicting ideas of ideal
    supplementation and dose, that one might be better off not taking
    them?

    The dictionary says that a supplement is "something added to
    complete a thing, or supply a deficiency" - so when you take a multi,
    you aren't really fulfilling that term because even though you may
    improve one depleted situation, you are doing the same thing with
    those nutrients that are not deficient, so they may actually become
    too high.
    In other words, if you take a GENERAL nutritional supplement,
    you may ward off a true deficiency (rare in the Western world),
    but if not, you are not likely to improve your health significantly
    given the possibility that some of the things that are already high
    will go even higher.

    If you take a SPECIFIC supplement (matched to what you actually
    need), then you obviously create the potential to both - improve your
    health, and your longevity. Of course this will only happen if you
    have any nutritional (genetic) weak spots that you can iron out with
    a supplement, because if you are genetically fit, then a supplement
    will be a waste of time. Those who "eat, drink, and be merry" and
    live to a ripe old age without any regards to proper eating habits
    prove that over and over again.
    Heather

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