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  1. Hi everybody,

    In 4 days I head west for some much needed vacation/work/play in Jackson
    Hole, WY. I've been out there for the past 5 summers and know some
    phemomenal mountain biking trails that I've regularly visited. This
    will be the first summer that I'll be tackling any of it on my uni, and
    I've got a few concerns. One of them is mileage. What kind of an
    average speed can I expect to achieve over the course of a fairly
    demanding (will probably walk some sections) 12 mile ride, roughly 1/3
    uphill, 2/3 downhill. I've got a fairly good aerobic condition going,
    when I ride my coker I average around 10-11mph in a 13 mile ride (albeit
    nothing like the terrain I'll be riding out west).

    The other question, are there understood rules and techniques when you
    get to sections with deeply rutted singletrack with shoulder high
    wildflowers on both sides? I remember a couple sections like this and
    wonder if the best plan of attack is to try to find a crown on one side
    or the other, or just walk...because I think the cranks would catch the
    sides (sections I would just coast down on a MTB).

    Thanks for any input...

    unidaddy

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  2. ....off topic, but a big BRAVO to you in your playing of "Pictures at an
    Exhibition" at Chautauqua on Tuesday. That's my favorite piece of all
    and it sounded excellent!

    Enjoy your trip!

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  3. Thanks!! It was fun to get a chance to play there.....that was the
    first time I've been to Chautauqua, and to see the grounds atop my
    unicycle (with great company, thanks to you) was a real treat. Tell
    everybody at the bike shop I said hello. Next summer if you're there
    and I get another playing opportunity, we'll ride again.

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  4. When riding muni, if your route offers two options on a generally flat
    track, take the higher one. You will appreciate those extra few inches
    of height if you get into difficulties: it's easier to drop a few inches
    down onto an easier bit of trail than to clamber up out of a rut.

    When riding a longish distance, be selective about your route. if you
    splash through every mud bath and take every sandpit head-on, you will
    lose rhythm and tire yourself.

    When riding off road, allow75% of your road speed for generally rough
    ground, and 50% for tough stuff - but what is tough depends on your
    level of ability. It's subjective.

    On the Pashley MUni 26 x 2.3 with 150 mm cranks, on a tough ride through
    the forest, over 12 - 15 miles, I'd probably average only 5 mph. But
    that is such a rough estimate as to be almost useless to you.

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  5. I'd do around about the same speed as Mikefule, maybe a bit less on my
    standard 24" Muni. it's not about speed anyway, it's about enjoyment.
    However it is nice to let someone know when to expect you back, so
    there's a soothing bath & cold beer waiting for you.

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  6. It's impossible to estimate the riding time necessary for an unknown
    trail for an unknown rider. But I'd plan on 3 to 4 hours for the ride.
    That will give you enough time to enjoy the views and enjoy the ride.

    There's a 11 mile ride that I like. It involves about 1100 feet
    climbing on a logging road, 1000 feet down on rocky and rooty
    singletrack, about 1.5 miles of logging road along a contour, then 2
    miles of singletrack. It takes me a little under 2.5 hours when I'm
    pushing it but that gives no time to look at the views or rest. 3 hours
    gives time to look at some of the views. More than 3 hours and it
    starts to feel like a leisurely ride. At a race pace I'm sure that ride
    could be done in under 2 hours by someone like Kris Holm. No way will I
    ever break the 2 hour barrier on that ride.

    So 3 to 4 hours is probably a safe estimate for a 12 mile ride. If the
    downhill can be ridden fast enough you may finish in under 3 hours.

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  7. Bring plenty of water 😉 I ran out yesterday and it was NOT fun 😉

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  8. In Sana Barbara we only average about 2 NMPH, but we're always trying
    things multiple times and multiple ways and resting between burns.

    JL

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  9. Thank you thank you thank you,

    Very helpful words. Since I'm a newcomer to muni and generally lean in
    favor of taking in the scenery over making great time, I will probably
    leave 4-5 hours for my first try at it. I can bring a cellphone and
    call if I surprise myself. I actually think that this trail (Cache
    Creek/Game Creek in Jackson, WY) is going to give me plenty of tests.
    Evil-nick, I have a 70 oz. bladder in the Camelbak, so I'll probably
    fill an extra one and stick it in cargo pocket of the pack. How much
    did you bring when you ran out? Mikefule, the high road logic looks so
    simple.....but I probably would've struggled through a few miles before
    "getting it"....thanks. John Childs, do you get the climbing and
    descending figures from maps or a computer of some sort? I'm going to
    be interested in having the stats for this ride to estimate future ones.
    mikepenton, I'm with you on the enjoyment theme....the place we're
    staying has a hot tub and a nice big fridge.

    I'm eager for all the info I can glean, so thanks and bring it on.

    --unidaddy

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  10. unidaddy said:

    *thanks. John Childs, do you get the climbing and descending figures
    from maps or a computer of some sort? I'm going to be interested in
    having the stats for this ride to estimate future ones. *

    I used a GPS and topo maps. The ride I described is 'here'
    (http://tinyurl.com/9w8h) and there is a map link at the bottom. MTB
    trail guide books can also give you general numbers for elevation gain
    and ride distance.

    The problem with a GPS is that you need a clear view of the sky. Thick
    trees can block the sky enough that you lose satellite lock. Then the
    GPS is forced to guess and estimate. For the ride I mentioned I lost
    satellite lock on the singletrack because of the tree cover. The
    singletrack trails on that map were made based on very intermittent
    satellite locks and are a guess at best.

    Jackson Hole is a fun and beautiful place. I rode through Jackson Hole
    when I did a cross-country bike ride. I suffered on the climb (going
    from West to East) because my leg cramped up. My bike didn't have a
    triple so I had to suffer up the climb with a bum leg and the high
    gears. I made it and was able to top 55 mph on the way down to Jackson
    Hole. Wheee! Sometime I want to do that climb on my Coker.

    One thing I remember from that climb is that a yellow Lamborghini Diablo
    passed us going up the climb. It looked and sounded really good.

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