Muscle growth enhancment question

Neil Stephens <[email hidden]> wrote in news:MiMya.669530$OV.631897 @rwcrnsc54:

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Is there a considerable difference in performance gains when using a performance enhancing
supplement like EAS Muscle growth formulas on a regular basis? I'm not a racer but I do need to
increase endurance and leg strength. I definitely do not need the extra fatas I am overweight as
it is. I really don't expect miracles either but I'd like to be growing (muscularly) at my peak.

TIA,

NS> (not the Aussie)

Here's a crazy idea: Ride your bike more. You'll get increased endurance and leg strength while
losing weight. Its weird like that.

- Boyd S.

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Neil Stephens <[email hidden]> wrote in news:MiMya.669530$OV.631897 @rwcrnsc54:

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Is there a considerable difference in performance gains when using a performance enhancing
supplement like EAS Muscle growth formulas on a regular basis? I'm not a racer but I do need to
increase endurance and leg strength. I definitely do not need the extra fatas I am overweight as
it is. I really don't expect miracles either but I'd like to be growing (muscularly) at my peak.

TIA,

NS> (not the Aussie)

Here's a crazy idea: Ride your bike more.

Riding my bike more gives me less. I do better with moderate amounts of work in the weight room.

B. Dole user as well as spokesperson

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Here's a crazy idea: Ride your bike more. You'll get increased endurance and leg strength while
losing weight. Its weird like that.

- Boyd S.

Hey Boyd,

Is Joanne's Chili Bordello still in business over in the Clearwater/Largo area?

Carl (recognizing that the question is OT, but still curious nonetheless)

The question is not about my long distance riding. The question, if you can read smart ass Boy is
about muscle enhancers and if they work in cycling. You're really impressing the [censored] out of me with
your acute lack of intelligence Boy. Anyone can be a smart ass.

I get headaches during weeks where I ride 350 miles during the week. Near the end of the week a ride
of 50 miles gives me headaches at rest. I take vitamins and eat more than I need but still feel
hungry. That is the reason I ask about the weight gainers or muscle enhancers to supplement my
riding. Is there anyone taking these and do they help?

NS

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The question is not about my long distance riding. The question, if you can read smart ass Boy is
about muscle enhancers and if they work in cycling. You're really impressing the [censored] out of me
with your acute lack of intelligence Boy. Anyone can be a smart ass.

I get headaches during weeks where I ride 350 miles during the week. Near the end of the week a
ride of 50 miles gives me headaches at rest. I take vitamins and eat more than I need but still
feel hungry. That is the reason I ask about the weight gainers or muscle enhancers to supplement
my riding. Is there anyone taking these and do they help?

NS>

He's laughing at you because "muscle enhancers" are just hype.

You want to make sure you eat enough protein (~ 1-1.5g/day/kg of bodyweight) and replenish your
glycogen stores-something you may not be doing, and this could cause your carb and protein starved
brain to give you headaches, as well as reduce your recovery.

-WG

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I get headaches during weeks where I ride 350 miles during the week. Near the end of the week a
ride of 50 miles gives me headaches at rest. I take vitamins and eat more than I need but still
feel hungry. That is

If you only want to know about muscle enhacers, then stop reading know.

I suppose you do something wrong with your style of training. With such an extent of training (and
not a racer) you should be in best shape or you are simply overtrained, i.e. your training has
weekening effect instead a strengthen. In the web you will find a lot of tips and instructions for
basic and advanced bicycle training. Here only some, which might be helpful to avoid the headaches:
- not the length or the speed of the training ride counts but the quality
- train more in basic for long distances, i.e. in the lower aerobe range, this burns fat and enhaces
your condition
- the fat burning will not only cause you loose but alos improves the ability of the your body to
live from fat, when there is no to much left in the stomach
- the higher the load you put on your training, the lower the fat burning effect
- before and after advanced/max level training do basic traing for 20-30 minutes
- drink during training about 0.7 ltr/hour not only before or after
- train advanced level, i.e. higher aerobe range on the border to anaerobe range in intervals with
active breaks
- give your body light and full of energy food in small doseses before and after training, all kind
of pasta the day before fills your batteries
- increase the number of intervals slowly, this part is for giving you more power for the mountains
and speed for the sprint
- to much mucsle weight which might be the results of muscle enhacers will have a negative effect on
your riding abilities

Kay

P.S. Why so agressive, if somebody gives you an answer to your question?

"NS>" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<e%Vya.65420$rt6.24752@sccrnsc02>...

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The question is not about my long distance riding. The question, if you can read smart ass Boy is
about muscle enhancers and if they work in cycling. You're really impressing the [censored] out of me
with your acute lack of intelligence Boy. Anyone can be a smart ass.

I get headaches during weeks where I ride 350 miles during the week. Near the end of the week a
ride of 50 miles gives me headaches at rest. I take vitamins and eat more than I need but still
feel hungry. That is the reason I ask about the weight gainers or muscle enhancers to supplement
my riding. Is there anyone taking these and do they help?

NS>

I bet you feel pretty good after a week off. The hard weeks are supposed to be hard.

Thank you, I will try your suggestions. It's not that I do 350 every week, I tend to do as much
riding as I can given the circumstances (life and things). I think I must be doing that. I also
heard that it could be heart disease, but I think it's not training correctly. I'll keep your
information to mind and will read a few books on training.

Thankys, Neil S

"Neil Stephens" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MiMya.669530$OV.631897@rwcrnsc54...

Quoted message said:

Is there a considerable difference in performance gains when using a performance enhancing
supplement like EAS Muscle growth formulas on a regular basis? I'm not a racer but I do need to
increase endurance and leg strength. I definitely do not need the extra fatas I am overweight as
it is. I really don't expect miracles either but I'd like to be growing (muscularly) at my peak.

TIA,

NS> (not the Aussie)

Neil,

This is all you need:

cyclingnews.comphotosOpen ↗ uge2000

cheers, Jeff (an Aussie)

That's a huge nice site full of info!!

Thanks.... Campy electric...WoW!!

NS> <the slower fatter U.S. version

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"NS>" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:e%Vya.65420$rt6.24752@sccrnsc02...

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I get headaches during weeks where I ride 350 miles during the week. Near the end of the week a
ride of 50 miles gives me headaches at rest. I take vitamins and eat more than I need but still
feel hungry. That is

If you only want to know about muscle enhacers, then stop reading know.

I suppose you do something wrong with your style of training. With such an extent of training (and
not a racer) you should be in best shape or you

are

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simply overtrained, i.e. your training has weekening effect instead a strengthen. In the web you
will find a lot of tips and instructions for basic and advanced bicycle training. Here only some,
which might be helpful to avoid the headaches:
- not the length or the speed of the training ride counts but the quality
- train more in basic for long distances, i.e. in the lower aerobe range, this burns fat and
enhaces your condition
- the fat burning will not only cause you loose but alos improves the ability of the your body to
live from fat, when there is no to much left

in

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the stomach
- the higher the load you put on your training, the lower the fat burning effect

Not really true, the percentage of fat burned goes down but total fat burned increases.

Quoted message said:

- before and after advanced/max level training do basic traing for 20-30 minutes
- drink during training about 0.7 ltr/hour not only before or after
- train advanced level, i.e. higher aerobe range on the border to anaerobe range in intervals with
active breaks
- give your body light and full of energy food in small doseses before and after training, all
kind of pasta the day before fills your batteries
- increase the number of intervals slowly, this part is for giving you

more

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power for the mountains and speed for the sprint
- to much mucsle weight which might be the results of muscle enhacers will have a negative effect
on your riding abilities

Kay

P.S. Why so agressive, if somebody gives you an answer to your question?

"NS>" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:FZ8za.935397$3D1.540023@sccrnsc01...

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That's a huge nice site full of info!!

Thanks.... Campy electric...WoW!!

Thank you. It's been going for about 8 years and has a quite bit of stuff on
it. Dunno how many words and photos there are on the site, but it's a lot, and increasing every day.
Speaking of which....

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NS> <the slower fatter U.S. version>

Ahh - the Aussie NS is still looking pretty fit actually. And is as "ocker" as ever, even by
Australian standards (yes we sometimes have standards).

cheers, Jeff

"NS>" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:to2za.682166$OV.640908@rwcrnsc54...

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Thank you, I will try your suggestions. It's not that I do 350 every week, I

tend

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to do as much riding as I can given the circumstances (life and

things).

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I think I must be doing that. I also heard that it could be heart disease, but I think it's not
training correctly. I'll keep your information to mind and will read a few books on training.

Firstly, don't represent the mileage of your longest week ever as your normal mileage. Secondly, if
you feel you're overweight don't go on a diet and above all don't take "muscle enhancers". Instead
increase your complex carbohydrates by eating a lot more vegetables and a lot fewer high density
simple carbos such as grains, potatoes and the like. If you aren't eating a lot of protein already
you should be but stick to sources like vegetable sources, chicken, fish and the like. Thirdly, if
you train hard all the time you are counter productive to your training. I didn't see if you gave
your age but 2/3rds of your training should be so easy that you want to increase your speed all the
time you're riding. If you can't sing without losing your breath you are going too fast. Fourthly,
you gain leg strength by climbing in a low gear at low cadence. I'm not familiar with the terrain
where you live but absent local long climbs you can carry a huge gear into a headwind. Fifthly,
racing in criteriums will bring speed to you that you had no idea you were capable of. Lastly, this
is RBR and you should expect to be given a ration of defecation at least 10 times for every answer
you are looking for. If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen.

<hammered>

You are right Tom, I apologize... That is the max I do since I am unemployed... I do 200 to 250 in a
week and max occasionally at 350.

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Secondly, if you feel you're overweight don't go on a diet and above all don't take "muscle
enhancers". Instead increase your complex carbohydrates by eating a lot more vegetables and a lot
fewer high density simple carbos such as grains, potatoes and the like. If you aren't eating a
lot of protein already you should be but stick to sources like vegetable sources, chicken, fish
and the like.

Part of my problem on Protein intake is that I am a Vegetarian. I do eat Tofu like it's going
out of style.

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Thirdly, if you train hard all the time you are counter productive to your training. I didn't
see if you gave your age but 2/3rds of your training should be so easy that you want to increase
your speed all the time you're riding. If you can't sing without losing your breath you are
going too fast.

200 to 250 miles a week when you are unemployed really isn't that hard to do...and believe me I know
speed comes with saddle time but I don't push it. My goal isn't speed as much as it is endurance. I
don't race... I'm 43 yrs old. If anything I'd like to get 125 to 150 mile rides on certain days.
Good information...but not totally applicable.

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Fourthly, you gain leg strength by climbing in a low gear at low cadence. I'm not familiar with
the terrain where you live but absent local long climbs you can carry a huge gear into a
headwind.

Good information...

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Fifthly, racing in criteriums will bring speed to you that you had no idea you were capable of.

Good information... I'll think about it, but my age and knees are a factor.

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Lastly, this is RBR and you should expect to be given a ration of defecation at least 10 times
for every answer you are looking for. If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen.

Extremely poor information listed above.

To "defecate" on someone looking for an answer to a question shows very poor morals, upbringing,
and a severe lack of respect especially to someone they have never met. My reply was to a smart ass
that spewed defecation from his mouth... If he can't stand the heat of the truth let him get out of
the kitchen. There's never a time for deprecation. Think before you speak and that'll save time for
both of us...

NS

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I get headaches during weeks where I ride 350 miles during the week. Near the end of the week a
ride of 50 miles gives me headaches at rest. I take vitamins and eat more than I need but still
feel hungry. That is the reason I ask about the weight gainers or muscle enhancers to supplement
my riding. Is there anyone taking these and do they help?

I don't know much about protein supplements but I sure got enough headaches because of sinus
infection and I did not have any other simptoms.

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I get headaches during weeks where I ride 350 miles during the week. Near the end of the week a
ride of 50 miles gives me headaches at rest. I take vitamins and eat more than I need but still
feel hungry. That is the reason I ask about the weight gainers or muscle enhancers to supplement
my riding. Is there anyone taking these and do they help?

I don't know much about protein supplements but I sure got enough headaches because of sinus
infection and I did not have any other simptoms.

I do not think these supplements have "headaches" as a side effect.....

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200 to 250 miles a week when you are unemployed really isn't that hard to do...and believe me I
know speed comes with saddle time but I don't push it. My goal isn't speed as much as it is
endurance. I don't race... I'm 43 yrs old. If anything I'd like to get 125 to 150 mile rides on
certain days. Good information...but not totally applicable.

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Fifthly, racing in criteriums will bring speed to you that you had no idea you were capable of.

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Good information... I'll think about it, but my age and knees are a factor.

Uh, you can ride that many miles in a week and you are almost exactly the average age of all racers
over 35 years old and you can't race?

-WG

age 44 and training 8-12 hours/week

warren said:

In article wtfza.985039$S_4.1000887@rwcrnsc53 said:

200 to 250 miles a week when you are unemployed really isn't that hard to do...and believe me I
know speed comes with saddle time but I don't push it. My goal isn't speed as much as it is
endurance. I don't race... I'm 43 yrs old. If anything I'd like to get 125 to 150 mile rides on
certain days. Good information...but not totally applicable.

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Fifthly, racing in criteriums will bring speed to you that you had no idea you were capable of.

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Good information... I'll think about it, but my age and knees are a factor.

Uh, you can ride that many miles in a week and you are almost exactly the average age of all
racers over 35 years old and you can't race?

-WG

age 44 and training 8-12 hours/week

First - I would not feel real great putting on the mileage while being unemployed?!? I would rather
be concentrating on GETTING A JOB!... DOH!!

One of my best seasons came not when I was doing the "mega miles" but when I did the "twice a week"
training crits with the big boys (aka fast guys)

There are no jobs here. Thanks to the republican voodoo economics. I have money saved... And I look
all of the time. Still looking... still riding...I can do both... I don't race because I don't want
to.... I was a cat 4 racer a few years ago, but with the volatility of my position (job) I find I do
not have weekends most of the time. So until I know a schedule... I prefer to just ride..

BTW... I appreciate your attempt at belittling me steve...

Jobs do come first... Anyone can find a job, I have a career niche, and I do it well and I get paid
well for doing it. thank you very much!

NS