Muscular imbalance in cyclists

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There is some pretty good advice here. Nice to see someone writing there actually recognizing a
problem, and the suggesting useful ways to solve it. There is no depth except "this is the the
problem, be aware" and "go find a specialist to talk to." In my opinion this is absolutely the
most responsible way to handle

coaching.

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Run with YOUR field of expertise, and suggest others for things that you

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great at. This makes you look good and gives the client the best value for their money and time.

One very easy way to cure some of the muscle imbalances is simple:

Yoga.

Wished I would have been doing it when I was racing. After 10 years, kept getting injured and
couldn't figure out why.

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One very easy way to cure some of the muscle imbalances is simple:

Yoga.

Wished I would have been doing it when I was racing. After 10 years, kept getting injured and
couldn't figure out why.

Asswipe,

You seem like exactly the kind of [censored] that would give up racing your bike to do yoga.

Thanks, Hold My.

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One very easy way to cure some of the muscle imbalances is simple:

Yoga.

Wished I would have been doing it when I was racing. After 10 years, kept getting injured and
couldn't figure out why.

Everyone talks a good game on stretching, but it is so simple and easy, and you can't see the
results that people don't do enough. It really doesn't take that much extra time either, though it
seems like it if you hold each stretch long enough. Yoga is great because you get the stretch, and
you learn to feel the muscle groups, and learn to control them. Spend the off season working on
core strength, especially abs, and stretching your lower back, hamstrings, and calves and see how
much better you feel, and faster you go in the drops. You'll be amazed. Bill C

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One very easy way to cure some of the muscle imbalances is simple:

Yoga.

Wished I would have been doing it when I was racing. After 10 years, kept getting injured and
couldn't figure out why.

Asswipe,

You seem like exactly the kind of [censored] that would give up racing your bike to do yoga.

Thanks, Hold My.

Dumbass -

I quit racing because a big part of the satisfaction of racing was from year to year improvement and
I wasn't willing to devote even more time to that end.

I do yoga to keep from becoming a Fattie. Plus, the babe factor in yoga classes can be quite high.
Doing Yoga poses by themselves can be challenging but tedious. Doing Yoga poses with a nice ass
stretched out in front of your face is something else entirely.

K. Gringioni still leaner than the bulk of the Masters Fatties

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One very easy way to cure some of the muscle imbalances is simple:

Yoga.

Wished I would have been doing it when I was racing. After 10 years, kept getting injured and
couldn't figure out why.

Everyone talks a good game on stretching, but it is so simple and easy, and you can't see the
results that people don't do enough. It really doesn't take that much extra time either, though
it seems like it if you hold each stretch long enough. Yoga is great because you get the stretch,
and you learn to feel the muscle groups, and learn to control them. Spend the off season working
on core strength, especially abs, and stretching your lower back, hamstrings, and calves and see
how much better you feel, and faster you go in the drops. You'll be amazed.

Pilates is good too.

-WG

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There is some pretty good advice here. Nice to see someone writing there actually recognizing a
problem, and the suggesting useful ways to solve it. There is no depth except "this is the the
problem, be aware" and "go find a specialist to talk to." In my opinion this is absolutely the
most responsible way to handle coaching. Run with YOUR field of expertise, and suggest others for
things that you aren't great at. This makes you look good and gives the client the best value for
their money and time. Bill C

I've got calcification on the anterior of the patella, left knee. (Punched it through some ice as a
child, all purple and black with white lines after it happened :-( After years of mountain biking,
and favoring it, the circumference difference between legs is about 3 inches, about mid-thigh. The
hammering from mountain biking usually resulted in a very tender joint and riding two consecutive
days usually produced a considerable limp and a problem with stairs. On the road it's less of a
problem and I've been working each leg equally in flats and exerting more effort with the left leg
when out of the saddle, climbing. So far, so good.

The long term solution is get the knee worked on, but work schedules and changes in employement have
made this a difficult thing to get done. Should be done this coming fall, assuming everything goes
well this year. :-)

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Dumbass -

I quit racing because a big part of the satisfaction of racing was from

year

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to year improvement and I wasn't willing to devote even more time to that end.

Douchebag,

This is known as the "I was just too lazy" excuse which, though tainted retrospection, has morphed
into some [censored] about "level of personal satisfaction." Racing well will give you personal
satisfaction, only you've got to train really hard for that to happen.

Did you ever do yoga so hard that you threw up?

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I do yoga to keep from becoming a Fattie. Plus, the babe factor in yoga classes can be quite high.
Doing Yoga poses by themselves can be

challenging

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but tedious. Doing Yoga poses with a nice ass stretched out in front of

your

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face is something else entirely.

Whatever. Here's the real question: How many times has doing Yoga gotten you laid?

So anyway, Kurgan, did you get anything good for Christmas? My mom got me 300 reds of 9mm ammo
(bless her heart).

I didn't ride to work today so that I could go to the range over lunch.

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walking sooner after the surgery than you would expect

John Bickmore www.BicycleCam.com www.Feed-Zone.com

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there

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actually recognizing a problem, and the suggesting useful ways to solve

it.

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There is no depth except "this is the the problem, be aware" and "go

find a

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specialist to talk to." In my opinion this is absolutely the most responsible way to handle

coaching.

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Run with YOUR field of expertise, and suggest others for things that you

aren't

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great at. This makes you look good and gives the client the best value

for

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their money and time. Bill C

I've got calcification on the anterior of the patella, left knee. (Punched it through some ice as
a child, all purple and black with white lines after it happened :-( After years of mountain
biking, and favoring it, the circumference difference between legs is about 3 inches, about mid-
thigh. The hammering from mountain biking usually resulted in a very tender joint and riding two
consecutive days usually produced a considerable limp and a problem with stairs. On the road it's
less of a problem and I've been working each leg equally in flats and exerting more effort with
the left leg when out of the saddle, climbing. So far, so good.

The long term solution is get the knee worked on, but work schedules and changes in employement
have made this a difficult thing to get done. Should be done this coming fall, assuming everything
goes well this year. :-)

Kurgan Gringioni said:

Have you ever shot so hard that you threw up? How many times has it gotten you laid?

In Brian's defense, I don't believe he has ever claimed that shooting had any sort of babe factor.
The people that I know that shoot do so for the visceral thrill of shooting, and also for the even
more visceral thrill of killing animals with guns.

I have never had one of my shooting friends tell me of getting laid as a direct result of something
like bringing home game. The babe factor for shooting sucks.

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There is some pretty good advice here. Nice to see someone writing there
actually recognizing a problem, and the suggesting useful ways to solve it.

Your opinion is the exact opposite of mine. I read that article (before I saw your remarks) and was
appalled at how poorly written it was, and how silly some of the suggestions were.

-RJ

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I'm dating a non-yoga woman

You call everybody "Dumbass," do you?

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Your opinion is the exact opposite of mine. I read that article (before I saw your remarks) and
was appalled at how poorly written it was, and how silly some of the suggestions were.

Like referencing a book on "metabolic typing" when writing about nutrition?

Andy Coggan

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Your opinion is the exact opposite of mine. I read that article (before I saw your remarks) and was
appalled at how poorly written it was, and how silly some of the suggestions were.

-RJ

Maybe I'm missing something but I didn't see a problem with pointing out to people like us who tend
to be focused on one style of exercise that this does create problems. I took the shrink bit with a
grain of salt, as most of them are softer in the head than a ducks back in my opinion, but sports
psychologists do help some people. When I am not sure about something I find what I think is the
most appropriate specialist and ask them for help, so that made sense to me. I don't know if this
persons track record is good or not, I didn't bother to look up his other stuff because all of this
article seemed to be pretty much basic advice. I'll agree that the writing style could've been
clearer but I can't find any research type, or coaching papers written by him. Looks like Andy
doesn't think much of this Wolcott guy and looking through the stuff quickly it seems to me to be a
grain of truth blown up into a diet empire but I'm not committed to that as I haven't done the
research, but I'd agree with his comment about being able to find very few GOOD nutritionists. Lord
knows I've met enough wackos peddling their little agenda, and not much else. Bill C

Kurgan Gringioni said:

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I quit racing because a big part of the satisfaction of racing was from year to year improvement
and I wasn't willing to devote even more time to that end.

i think i have a similar kind of "problem". i'm mostly interested in doing things when i'm not sure
how good i'll be at them. once i've found the (reasonable) limit of my ability, i'm bored and wander
off- even if i have talent. it sucks (imho), but i don't see how one can force oneself to enjoy
something.

heather

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There is some pretty good advice here. Nice to see someone writing there
actually recognizing a problem, and the suggesting useful ways to solve it.

Your opinion is the exact opposite of mine. I read that article (before I saw your remarks) and
was appalled at how poorly written it was, and how silly some of the suggestions were.

-RJ

Yes, it obvious the author throws out some scientific sounding words but has no idea what he's
talking about, most of his reasoning is "hand waving" or simply pseudo-science. His "cop-out" is
basically that your should see a professional if you have a problem.

Riders seem to accept the fact that muscle imbalances are a fact of life for cyclists, but I don't
even know if cyclists suffer more muscle imbalances than regular schmoes. It seems to me that all
the sedentary and out of shape gym schmoes suffer from more problems (back pain, joint pain etc.)
than relatively fit bike riders do.

-Amit

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i think i have a similar kind of "problem". i'm mostly interested in doing things when i'm not
sure how good i'll be at them. once i've found the (reasonable) limit of my ability, i'm bored and
wander off- even if i have talent. it sucks (imho), but i don't see how one can force oneself to
enjoy something.

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actually recognizing a problem, and the suggesting useful ways to solve

it.

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Your opinion is the exact opposite of mine. I read that article (before I saw your remarks) and
was appalled at how poorly written it was, and how silly some of the suggestions were.

Like referencing a book on "metabolic typing" when writing about nutrition?

Andy Coggan

I thought the bit about microwaving your food being a major stress factor was pretty funny, so I looked up his "reference" and found this site with enlightening articles about UFO's, "The dangers of pet food" and the benefits of "Urine therapy".

That's great. Pretending to use as a scientific reference a magazine that touts the health benefits of drinking your own pee.

awesome.

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I thought the bit about microwaving your food being a major stress factor was pretty funny, so I looked up his "reference" and found this site with enlightening articles about UFO's, "The dangers of pet food" and the benefits of "Urine therapy".

That's great. Pretending to use as a scientific reference a magazine that touts the health benefits of drinking your own pee.

awesome.

Sorry, the URL is www.nexusmagazine.com
Entertaining, to say the least.