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  1. Bill Sornson said:
    BobT said:

    "Jack Sprat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I was riding my nearly new (less than 60 days old) Canaan Elite and
    it exploded on me

    I could have been KILLED!

    I was riding down a steep hill and just at the bottom when all my
    weight was forced onto the bicycle and it exploded. I obviously
    crashed and was incredibly lucky not to be seriously injured. My
    helmet was also destroyed saving my head from a similar fate.

    I know that there is a warranty that could replace bike, but at this
    point I'm scared that it could happen again with the new bike and I
    could break my neck and DIE!

    Do you bike experts think this is fluke or do you think it could
    happen again?

    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken1.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken2.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken4.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken5.jpg


    That is really scary!
    Are you a particularly large rider?
    Did you feel the suspension totally bottom out as the frame broke?
    Good thing you were wearing a helmet.

    Here we go...

    Mr. Sornson's opinion of foam bicycle hat, er helmet, effectiveness is
    based on belief, not fact.

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    When did ignorance of biology become a "family value"?

  2. "Jack Sprat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I was riding my nearly new (less than 60 days old) Canaan Elite and it
    exploded on me

    I could have been KILLED!

    I was riding down a steep hill and just at the bottom when all my weight
    was forced onto the bicycle and it exploded. I obviously crashed and was
    incredibly lucky not to be seriously injured. My helmet was also
    destroyed saving my head from a similar fate.

    I know that there is a warranty that could replace bike, but at this point
    I'm scared that it could happen again with the new bike and I could break
    my neck and DIE!

    Do you bike experts think this is fluke or do you think it could happen
    again?

    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken1.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken2.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken4.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken5.jpg

    This happened all at once? The third photo appears to have some
    discoloration on the inside of the broken edges, implying that this didn't
    occur instantly. Was it making any noises beforehand? It's difficult to
    believe that all those failures happened simultaneously. More likely
    something gave way first, overloading the other areas until, after further
    riding, they broke as well.

    Quoted message said:

    I was riding down a steep hill and just at the bottom when all my weight
    was forced onto the bicycle and it exploded.

    Could you explain what "all my weight was forced onto the bicycle" means?
    Since your weight cannot actually be suspended above the bicycle, do you
    mean that you hit something at the bottom of the hill? Of course, even if
    you did, Jack Sprat was the guy who could eat no fat. More likely it would
    have been his wife that could have caused such damage.

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

  3. "Jack Sprat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I was riding my nearly new (less than 60 days old) Canaan Elite and it
    exploded on me

    I could have been KILLED!

    I was riding down a steep hill and just at the bottom when all my weight
    was forced onto the bicycle and it exploded. I obviously crashed and was
    incredibly lucky not to be seriously injured. My helmet was also
    destroyed saving my head from a similar fate.

    I know that there is a warranty that could replace bike, but at this point
    I'm scared that it could happen again with the new bike and I could break
    my neck and DIE!

    Do you bike experts think this is fluke or do you think it could happen
    again?

    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken1.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken2.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken4.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken5.jpg

    This happened all at once? The third photo appears to have some
    discoloration on the inside of the broken edges, implying that this didn't
    occur instantly. Was it making any noises beforehand? It's difficult to
    believe that all those failures happened simultaneously. More likely
    something gave way first, overloading the other areas until, after further
    riding, they broke as well.

    Quoted message said:

    I was riding down a steep hill and just at the bottom when all my weight
    was forced onto the bicycle and it exploded.

    Could you explain what "all my weight was forced onto the bicycle" means?
    Since your weight cannot actually be suspended above the bicycle, do you
    mean that you hit something at the bottom of the hill? Of course, even if
    you did, Jack Sprat was the guy who could eat no fat. More likely it would
    have been his wife that could have caused such damage.

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

  4. John Thompson said:
    Jack Sprat said:

    I was riding my nearly new (less than 60 days old) Canaan Elite and it
    exploded on me

    Quoted message said:

    I could have been KILLED!

    Quoted message said:

    I was riding down a steep hill and just at the bottom when all my weight
    was forced onto the bicycle and it exploded. I obviously crashed and
    was incredibly lucky not to be seriously injured. My helmet was also
    destroyed saving my head from a similar fate.

    Quoted message said:

    I know that there is a warranty that could replace bike, but at this
    point I'm scared that it could happen again with the new bike and I
    could break my neck and DIE!

    Quoted message said:

    Do you bike experts think this is fluke or do you think it could happen
    again?

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken1.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken2.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken4.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken5.jpg

    That's how aluminum fails. It looks to me like the failure started at
    the bosses under the downtube, propogated around the tube to the weld
    holding the suspension braket, and then around the other side. When the
    down tube failed the top tube couldn't take the load, so it also failed.

    I'd push for a warranty replacement.

    --

    John "steel bikes, please!" ([email hidden])

    I'm inclined to agree with your assessment, especially the failure
    having started at the the water bottle boss. But what's up with the
    discoloration on some of the cracks?

    I don't know how old this bike is, but aren't aluminum frames
    generally only warrantied for 5 years by manufacturers these days?
    Arguably one can say poor design is responsible for "premature"
    failure....

  5. John Thompson said:
    Jack Sprat said:

    I was riding my nearly new (less than 60 days old) Canaan Elite and it
    exploded on me

    Quoted message said:

    I could have been KILLED!

    Quoted message said:

    I was riding down a steep hill and just at the bottom when all my weight
    was forced onto the bicycle and it exploded. I obviously crashed and
    was incredibly lucky not to be seriously injured. My helmet was also
    destroyed saving my head from a similar fate.

    Quoted message said:

    I know that there is a warranty that could replace bike, but at this
    point I'm scared that it could happen again with the new bike and I
    could break my neck and DIE!

    Quoted message said:

    Do you bike experts think this is fluke or do you think it could happen
    again?

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken1.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken2.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken4.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken5.jpg

    That's how aluminum fails. It looks to me like the failure started at
    the bosses under the downtube, propogated around the tube to the weld
    holding the suspension braket, and then around the other side. When the
    down tube failed the top tube couldn't take the load, so it also failed.

    I'd push for a warranty replacement.

    --

    John "steel bikes, please!" ([email hidden])

    I'm inclined to agree with your assessment, especially the failure
    having started at the the water bottle boss. But what's up with the
    discoloration on some of the cracks?

    I don't know how old this bike is, but aren't aluminum frames
    generally only warrantied for 5 years by manufacturers these days?
    Arguably one can say poor design is responsible for "premature"
    failure....

  6. A Muzi said:
    Jack Sprat said:

    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken1.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken2.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken4.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken5.jpg

    Looking at the design, we have a thin hard aluminum tube with a punched
    bottle mount just opposite a loaded flange welded in the thin section.
    What was the question again? A whole 60 days, huh?

    Looking at http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken2.jpg
    it looks like the upper part of the fracture surface,
    where it runs along the weld, is darker than the rest
    of the surface. If true, this suggests that the dark
    part was cracked earlier, along the weld.

    The darkening is caused by oxidation, water, dirt etc.
    Then the light, clean part is what broke in the final
    failure. It's a bit hard to tell if this is real or
    lighting.

    Perhaps the OP could take some pictures focusing
    just on the fracture surfaces.

    Incidentally, what is the globbing on the inside of
    the tube near this weld? I wouldn't have expected
    weld filler stuff to wind up inside the tube. Was
    there some kind of internal reinforcement? That
    doesn't seem like a great idea.

    If this didn't have anything to do with abuse, I
    would be tempted to ask the manufacturer for a
    full refund and buy a different bike.

    Ben

  7. A Muzi said:
    Jack Sprat said:

    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken1.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken2.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken4.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken5.jpg

    Looking at the design, we have a thin hard aluminum tube with a punched
    bottle mount just opposite a loaded flange welded in the thin section.
    What was the question again? A whole 60 days, huh?

    Looking at http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken2.jpg
    it looks like the upper part of the fracture surface,
    where it runs along the weld, is darker than the rest
    of the surface. If true, this suggests that the dark
    part was cracked earlier, along the weld.

    The darkening is caused by oxidation, water, dirt etc.
    Then the light, clean part is what broke in the final
    failure. It's a bit hard to tell if this is real or
    lighting.

    Perhaps the OP could take some pictures focusing
    just on the fracture surfaces.

    Incidentally, what is the globbing on the inside of
    the tube near this weld? I wouldn't have expected
    weld filler stuff to wind up inside the tube. Was
    there some kind of internal reinforcement? That
    doesn't seem like a great idea.

    If this didn't have anything to do with abuse, I
    would be tempted to ask the manufacturer for a
    full refund and buy a different bike.

    Ben

  8. "Jack Sprat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I was riding my nearly new (less than 60 days old) Canaan Elite and it
    exploded on me

    I could have been KILLED!

    I was riding down a steep hill and just at the bottom when all my weight
    was forced onto the bicycle and it exploded. I obviously crashed and was
    incredibly lucky not to be seriously injured. My helmet was also
    destroyed saving my head from a similar fate.

    I know that there is a warranty that could replace bike, but at this point
    I'm scared that it could happen again with the new bike and I could break
    my neck and DIE!

    Do you bike experts think this is fluke or do you think it could happen
    again?

    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken1.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken2.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken4.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken5.jpg

    Hope this isn't too personal. What do you weigh? If that happened to a
    relatively slender person, I'm alarmed.

    It looks like this disaster started at the bolt on the tube beneath the rear
    shock. I think force from the front tire impacting a bump is going to put
    that tube in tension along the bottom and compression where the weld is and
    it's going to be most concentrated on the lowest spot of the outside of the
    tube, right where they drilled a hole and put in that bolt. It's called a
    stress riser. If there are any imperfections in that hole, the forces will
    find them and work on them until that metal tears and once a lightweight
    design like this starts to go, everything else will go rather explosively.
    So why did they put the bolt hole in the worst possible spot? It should have
    been to the side of the tube if possible.

    My guess is it all happened very fast but in fact it started on that lowest
    bolt hole and ended with the break on the top tube nearest the seat.

    Isn't it aluminum that doesn't do well in repeated deformations? I think I
    read that and that it's more brittle than steel. Brittleness will of course
    cause more of a shattering type failure.

    Another thing... the older style bike would have had the two tubes going up
    to the seat from the rear axle. Those tubes would have prevented flexing at
    the bolt hole. The rear tire puts leveraged force on the bolt again and
    again. Most of it should be absorbed by the shock, but more of it will get
    through than with the old style of diamond frame. Of course the whole lower
    tube is also getting the force from both front and rear tires. It's just
    that it's going to fail at the weakest point, which is that bolt hole. To
    figure out the force on the bolt from the rear tire impacting, you take the
    force and multiply by the length between the axle and the broken bolt hole.

  9. "Jack Sprat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I was riding my nearly new (less than 60 days old) Canaan Elite and it
    exploded on me

    I could have been KILLED!

    I was riding down a steep hill and just at the bottom when all my weight
    was forced onto the bicycle and it exploded. I obviously crashed and was
    incredibly lucky not to be seriously injured. My helmet was also
    destroyed saving my head from a similar fate.

    I know that there is a warranty that could replace bike, but at this point
    I'm scared that it could happen again with the new bike and I could break
    my neck and DIE!

    Do you bike experts think this is fluke or do you think it could happen
    again?

    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken1.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken2.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken4.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken5.jpg

    Hope this isn't too personal. What do you weigh? If that happened to a
    relatively slender person, I'm alarmed.

    It looks like this disaster started at the bolt on the tube beneath the rear
    shock. I think force from the front tire impacting a bump is going to put
    that tube in tension along the bottom and compression where the weld is and
    it's going to be most concentrated on the lowest spot of the outside of the
    tube, right where they drilled a hole and put in that bolt. It's called a
    stress riser. If there are any imperfections in that hole, the forces will
    find them and work on them until that metal tears and once a lightweight
    design like this starts to go, everything else will go rather explosively.
    So why did they put the bolt hole in the worst possible spot? It should have
    been to the side of the tube if possible.

    My guess is it all happened very fast but in fact it started on that lowest
    bolt hole and ended with the break on the top tube nearest the seat.

    Isn't it aluminum that doesn't do well in repeated deformations? I think I
    read that and that it's more brittle than steel. Brittleness will of course
    cause more of a shattering type failure.

    Another thing... the older style bike would have had the two tubes going up
    to the seat from the rear axle. Those tubes would have prevented flexing at
    the bolt hole. The rear tire puts leveraged force on the bolt again and
    again. Most of it should be absorbed by the shock, but more of it will get
    through than with the old style of diamond frame. Of course the whole lower
    tube is also getting the force from both front and rear tires. It's just
    that it's going to fail at the weakest point, which is that bolt hole. To
    figure out the force on the bolt from the rear tire impacting, you take the
    force and multiply by the length between the axle and the broken bolt hole.

  10. Quoted message said:

    I'm inclined to agree with your assessment, especially the failure
    having started at the the water bottle boss. But what's up with the
    discoloration on some of the cracks?

    I don't know how old this bike is, but aren't aluminum frames
    generally only warrantied for 5 years by manufacturers these days?
    Arguably one can say poor design is responsible for "premature"
    failure....

    The OP says it's less than 60 days old. I brought up the discoloration in
    another post, thinking it's evidence this didn't happen all at once.

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

    "damyth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    John Thompson said:
    Jack Sprat said:

    I was riding my nearly new (less than 60 days old) Canaan Elite and it
    exploded on me

    Quoted message said:

    I could have been KILLED!

    Quoted message said:

    I was riding down a steep hill and just at the bottom when all my
    weight
    was forced onto the bicycle and it exploded. I obviously crashed and
    was incredibly lucky not to be seriously injured. My helmet was also
    destroyed saving my head from a similar fate.

    Quoted message said:

    I know that there is a warranty that could replace bike, but at this
    point I'm scared that it could happen again with the new bike and I
    could break my neck and DIE!

    Quoted message said:

    Do you bike experts think this is fluke or do you think it could happen
    again?

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken1.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken2.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken4.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken5.jpg

    That's how aluminum fails. It looks to me like the failure started at
    the bosses under the downtube, propogated around the tube to the weld
    holding the suspension braket, and then around the other side. When the
    down tube failed the top tube couldn't take the load, so it also failed.

    I'd push for a warranty replacement.

    --

    John "steel bikes, please!" ([email hidden])

    I'm inclined to agree with your assessment, especially the failure
    having started at the the water bottle boss. But what's up with the
    discoloration on some of the cracks?

    I don't know how old this bike is, but aren't aluminum frames
    generally only warrantied for 5 years by manufacturers these days?
    Arguably one can say poor design is responsible for "premature"
    failure....

  11. Quoted message said:

    I'm inclined to agree with your assessment, especially the failure
    having started at the the water bottle boss. But what's up with the
    discoloration on some of the cracks?

    I don't know how old this bike is, but aren't aluminum frames
    generally only warrantied for 5 years by manufacturers these days?
    Arguably one can say poor design is responsible for "premature"
    failure....

    The OP says it's less than 60 days old. I brought up the discoloration in
    another post, thinking it's evidence this didn't happen all at once.

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

    "damyth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    John Thompson said:
    Jack Sprat said:

    I was riding my nearly new (less than 60 days old) Canaan Elite and it
    exploded on me

    Quoted message said:

    I could have been KILLED!

    Quoted message said:

    I was riding down a steep hill and just at the bottom when all my
    weight
    was forced onto the bicycle and it exploded. I obviously crashed and
    was incredibly lucky not to be seriously injured. My helmet was also
    destroyed saving my head from a similar fate.

    Quoted message said:

    I know that there is a warranty that could replace bike, but at this
    point I'm scared that it could happen again with the new bike and I
    could break my neck and DIE!

    Quoted message said:

    Do you bike experts think this is fluke or do you think it could happen
    again?

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken1.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken2.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken4.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken5.jpg

    That's how aluminum fails. It looks to me like the failure started at
    the bosses under the downtube, propogated around the tube to the weld
    holding the suspension braket, and then around the other side. When the
    down tube failed the top tube couldn't take the load, so it also failed.

    I'd push for a warranty replacement.

    --

    John "steel bikes, please!" ([email hidden])

    I'm inclined to agree with your assessment, especially the failure
    having started at the the water bottle boss. But what's up with the
    discoloration on some of the cracks?

    I don't know how old this bike is, but aren't aluminum frames
    generally only warrantied for 5 years by manufacturers these days?
    Arguably one can say poor design is responsible for "premature"
    failure....

  12. Mike Jacoubowsky said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'm inclined to agree with your assessment, especially the failure
    having started at the the water bottle boss. But what's up with the
    discoloration on some of the cracks?

    I guess it started with the seattube cradle breaking (note bit(s)
    missing in http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken5.jpg) This caused
    to much movement in the main traingle with the crack in the downtube
    starting at the bottleboss. Once the crack was big enough to tear the
    tube with a gross overload the whole bike fell apart

    --
    /Marten

    info(apestaartje)m-gineering(punt)nl

  13. Mike Jacoubowsky said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'm inclined to agree with your assessment, especially the failure
    having started at the the water bottle boss. But what's up with the
    discoloration on some of the cracks?

    I guess it started with the seattube cradle breaking (note bit(s)
    missing in http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken5.jpg) This caused
    to much movement in the main traingle with the crack in the downtube
    starting at the bottleboss. Once the crack was big enough to tear the
    tube with a gross overload the whole bike fell apart

    --
    /Marten

    info(apestaartje)m-gineering(punt)nl

  14. "Jack Sprat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I was riding my nearly new (less than 60 days old) Canaan Elite and it
    exploded on me

    I could have been KILLED!

    I was riding down a steep hill and just at the bottom when all my weight
    was forced onto the bicycle and it exploded. I obviously crashed and was
    incredibly lucky not to be seriously injured. My helmet was also
    destroyed saving my head from a similar fate.

    I know that there is a warranty that could replace bike, but at this point
    I'm scared that it could happen again with the new bike and I could break
    my neck and DIE!

    Do you bike experts think this is fluke or do you think it could happen
    again?

    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken1.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken2.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken4.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken5.jpg

    Check it out. It's "Made in Taiwan".
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg

  15. "Jack Sprat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I was riding my nearly new (less than 60 days old) Canaan Elite and it
    exploded on me

    I could have been KILLED!

    I was riding down a steep hill and just at the bottom when all my weight
    was forced onto the bicycle and it exploded. I obviously crashed and was
    incredibly lucky not to be seriously injured. My helmet was also
    destroyed saving my head from a similar fate.

    I know that there is a warranty that could replace bike, but at this point
    I'm scared that it could happen again with the new bike and I could break
    my neck and DIE!

    Do you bike experts think this is fluke or do you think it could happen
    again?

    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken1.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken2.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken4.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken5.jpg

    Check it out. It's "Made in Taiwan".
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg

  16. M-gineering said:
    Mike Jacoubowsky said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'm inclined to agree with your assessment, especially the failure
    having started at the the water bottle boss. But what's up with the
    discoloration on some of the cracks?

    I guess it started with the seattube cradle breaking (note bit(s)
    missing inhttp://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken5.jpg) This caused
    to much movement in the main traingle with the crack in the downtube
    starting at the bottleboss. Once the crack was big enough to tear the
    tube with a gross overload the whole bike fell apart

    --
    /Marten

    info(apestaartje)m-gineering(punt)nl

    Hard to figure the order in which the breaks happened, but good eye.
    Don't think I've seen quite that kind of break before, especially
    without cracking the other left side as well. How do you think that
    happened?

    /s

  17. M-gineering said:
    Mike Jacoubowsky said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'm inclined to agree with your assessment, especially the failure
    having started at the the water bottle boss. But what's up with the
    discoloration on some of the cracks?

    I guess it started with the seattube cradle breaking (note bit(s)
    missing inhttp://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken5.jpg) This caused
    to much movement in the main traingle with the crack in the downtube
    starting at the bottleboss. Once the crack was big enough to tear the
    tube with a gross overload the whole bike fell apart

    --
    /Marten

    info(apestaartje)m-gineering(punt)nl

    Hard to figure the order in which the breaks happened, but good eye.
    Don't think I've seen quite that kind of break before, especially
    without cracking the other left side as well. How do you think that
    happened?

    /s

  18. Scott Gordo said:
    M-gineering said:
    Mike Jacoubowsky said:

    > I'm inclined to agree with your assessment, especially the failure
    > having started at the the water bottle boss. But what's up with the
    > discoloration on some of the cracks?


    I guess it started with the seattube cradle breaking (note bit(s)
    missing inhttp://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken5.jpg) This caused
    to much movement in the main traingle with the crack in the downtube
    starting at the bottleboss. Once the crack was big enough to tear the
    tube with a gross overload the whole bike fell apart

    --
    /Marten

    info(apestaartje)m-gineering(punt)nl

    Hard to figure the order in which the breaks happened, but good eye.
    Don't think I've seen quite that kind of break before, especially
    without cracking the other left side as well. How do you think that
    happened?

    /s


    eating loads of hamburgers (if you don't like the cliche, you shouldn't
    have exported all those burger franchises 😉 ), jumping, a long seatpost
    and landing with the butt on the saddle. But I wasn't there, could be
    just a batch of bad aluminium cradles

    --
    /Marten

    info(apestaartje)m-gineering(punt)nl

  19. Scott Gordo said:
    M-gineering said:
    Mike Jacoubowsky said:

    > I'm inclined to agree with your assessment, especially the failure
    > having started at the the water bottle boss. But what's up with the
    > discoloration on some of the cracks?


    I guess it started with the seattube cradle breaking (note bit(s)
    missing inhttp://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken5.jpg) This caused
    to much movement in the main traingle with the crack in the downtube
    starting at the bottleboss. Once the crack was big enough to tear the
    tube with a gross overload the whole bike fell apart

    --
    /Marten

    info(apestaartje)m-gineering(punt)nl

    Hard to figure the order in which the breaks happened, but good eye.
    Don't think I've seen quite that kind of break before, especially
    without cracking the other left side as well. How do you think that
    happened?

    /s


    eating loads of hamburgers (if you don't like the cliche, you shouldn't
    have exported all those burger franchises 😉 ), jumping, a long seatpost
    and landing with the butt on the saddle. But I wasn't there, could be
    just a batch of bad aluminium cradles

    --
    /Marten

    info(apestaartje)m-gineering(punt)nl

  20. Mike Jacoubowsky said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'm inclined to agree with your assessment, especially the failure
    having started at the the water bottle boss. But what's up with the
    discoloration on some of the cracks?

    Quoted message said:

    I don't know how old this bike is, but aren't aluminum frames
    generally only warrantied for 5 years by manufacturers these days?
    Arguably one can say poor design is responsible for "premature"
    failure....

    The OP says it's less than 60 days old. I brought up the discoloration in
    another post, thinking it's evidence this didn't happen all at once.

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com

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    Quoted message said:
    John Thompson said:

    On 2007-11-05, Jack Sprat <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > I was riding my nearly new (less than 60 days old) Canaan Elite and it
    > exploded on me

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > I could have been KILLED!

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > I was riding down a steep hill and just at the bottom when all my
    > weight
    > was forced onto the bicycle and it exploded. I obviously crashed and
    > was incredibly lucky not to be seriously injured. My helmet was also
    > destroyed saving my head from a similar fate.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > I know that there is a warranty that could replace bike, but at this
    > point I'm scared that it could happen again with the new bike and I
    > could break my neck and DIE!

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Do you bike experts think this is fluke or do you think it could happen
    > again?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken1.jpg
    >http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken2.jpg
    >http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
    >http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken4.jpg
    >http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken5.jpg

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    That's how aluminum fails. It looks to me like the failure started at
    the bosses under the downtube, propogated around the tube to the weld
    holding the suspension braket, and then around the other side. When the
    down tube failed the top tube couldn't take the load, so it also failed.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'd push for a warranty replacement.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    --

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    John "steel bikes, please!" ([email hidden])

    Quoted message said:

    I'm inclined to agree with your assessment, especially the failure
    having started at the the water bottle boss. But what's up with the
    discoloration on some of the cracks?

    Quoted message said:

    I don't know how old this bike is, but aren't aluminum frames
    generally only warrantied for 5 years by manufacturers these days?
    Arguably one can say poor design is responsible for "premature"
    failure....

    It would be nice to see if that really is discoloration rather than a
    lighting artifact. The top and bottom of that tube are going to swap
    tension and compression depending on how the whole bike is being
    loaded, but if this is a fatigue failure my money is on the crack
    starting at the top. The edge of that weld is a much bigger stress
    riser than the rivnut hole. In either case, I would ask for a refund
    rather than a replacement. The inside of that weld is just plain
    scary.

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