My bike EXPLODED!

A Muzi said:

Quoted message said:

"Jack Sprat" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

I was riding my nearly new (less than 60 days old) Canaan Elite and it
exploded on me
I could have been KILLED!
I was riding down a steep hill and just at the bottom when all my weight
was forced onto the bicycle and it exploded. I obviously crashed and was
incredibly lucky not to be seriously injured. My helmet was also
destroyed saving my head from a similar fate.
I know that there is a warranty that could replace bike, but at this point
I'm scared that it could happen again with the new bike and I could break
my neck and DIE!
Do you bike experts think this is fluke or do you think it could happen
again?
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken1.jpg
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken2.jpg
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken4.jpg
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken5.jpg

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Check it out. It's "Made in Taiwan".
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
Your computer's hardware is probably made in Taiwan. Possibly China. And
I'll bet the hardware's been pretty reliable. That's as far as I'm going.

Mike makes a good point. Free China (ROC Taiwan) can indeed do top
quality work. And does.

So far no one has commented on the vendor, Mongoose. Maybe not so much.
--
Andrew Muziwww.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, Mongoose is owned by Pacific, as is Schwinn, GT, and Banshee. I
know a bunch of freeriders who really do trust their lives to Banshees
-- they ride pucker-inducing stuff I wouldn't want to decend without
ropes and a belay. This Mongoose's design is borrowed from GT's latest
iteration of their I-drive, which has been around since the late 90's
and has been successful enough.

It could be that the GT has a heavier gauge downtube or better
materials or whatever, but unless Walmart is stepping up their game
this Mongoose wasn't purchased there. Maybe not quite a rebadged GT,
but close enough design-wise.

I should add that nobody's going to heap praise on a Pacific, but it
is a huge brand and therefore has the money to put into R&D.
Theoretically, the upper-end bikes are top quality. Like I said, if I
had the cojones for the nasty stuff, I'd take a long look at Banshee.
It's easy to rail against it, but mass production is great MOST of the
time. When it's not, though....

/s

Scott Gordo said:

It could be that the GT has a heavier gauge downtube or better
materials or whatever, but unless Walmart is stepping up their game
this Mongoose wasn't purchased there. Maybe not quite a rebadged GT,
but close enough design-wise.

I should add that nobody's going to heap praise on a Pacific, but it
is a huge brand and therefore has the money to put into R&D.
Theoretically, the upper-end bikes are top quality. Like I said, if I
had the cojones for the nasty stuff, I'd take a long look at Banshee.
It's easy to rail against it, but mass production is great MOST of the
time. When it's not, though....

/s

They charge $2,000-3,000 for these Canaan Elite bikes.

Scott Gordo said:

It could be that the GT has a heavier gauge downtube or better
materials or whatever, but unless Walmart is stepping up their game
this Mongoose wasn't purchased there. Maybe not quite a rebadged GT,
but close enough design-wise.

I should add that nobody's going to heap praise on a Pacific, but it
is a huge brand and therefore has the money to put into R&D.
Theoretically, the upper-end bikes are top quality. Like I said, if I
had the cojones for the nasty stuff, I'd take a long look at Banshee.
It's easy to rail against it, but mass production is great MOST of the
time. When it's not, though....

/s

They charge $2,000-3,000 for these Canaan Elite bikes.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"Jack Sprat" <[email hidden]> wrote
> I was riding my nearly new (less than 60 days old) Canaan Elite and it
> exploded on me
> I could have been KILLED!
> I was riding down a steep hill and just at the bottom when all my weight
> was forced onto the bicycle and it exploded. I obviously crashed and was
> incredibly lucky not to be seriously injured. My helmet was also
> destroyed saving my head from a similar fate.
> I know that there is a warranty that could replace bike, but at this point
> I'm scared that it could happen again with the new bike and I could break
> my neck and DIE!
> Do you bike experts think this is fluke or do you think it could happen
> again?
> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken1.jpg
> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken2.jpg
> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken4.jpg
> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken5.jpg

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Check it out. It's "Made in Taiwan".
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
Your computer's hardware is probably made in Taiwan. Possibly China. And
I'll bet the hardware's been pretty reliable. That's as far as I'm going.

Quoted message said:

A Muzi said:

Mike makes a good point. Free China (ROC Taiwan) can indeed do top
quality work. And does.
So far no one has commented on the vendor, Mongoose. Maybe not so much.

Scott Gordo said:

Well, Mongoose is owned by Pacific, as is Schwinn, GT, and Banshee. I
know a bunch of freeriders who really do trust their lives to Banshees
-- they ride pucker-inducing stuff I wouldn't want to decend without
ropes and a belay. This Mongoose's design is borrowed from GT's latest
iteration of their I-drive, which has been around since the late 90's
and has been successful enough.

It could be that the GT has a heavier gauge downtube or better
materials or whatever, but unless Walmart is stepping up their game
this Mongoose wasn't purchased there. Maybe not quite a rebadged GT,
but close enough design-wise.

I should add that nobody's going to heap praise on a Pacific, but it
is a huge brand and therefore has the money to put into R&D.
Theoretically, the upper-end bikes are top quality. Like I said, if I
had the cojones for the nasty stuff, I'd take a long look at Banshee.
It's easy to rail against it, but mass production is great MOST of the
time. When it's not, though....

I'm no expert but a quick search turns up comments like:

"Mongoose Caanan Team
This bike is light! The spec list is unbelievable for the price! I know
I should be looking at the frame not the spec, but you gotta admit, this
is a pretty nice kitted out bike. Some of the reviews seem to say the
bike rides less than the sum of it's parts, also I can't find any
warrently information on this bike"

from:
http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=310546

You seem to imply some meaning to the ownership of Mongoose and other
holdings. Can I then assume that any Ford vehicle, like a Focus, will be
as quick as an Aston Martin, sleek as a Jaguar and as tough as a Volvo?
All Ford-owned, right?
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"Jack Sprat" <[email hidden]> wrote
> I was riding my nearly new (less than 60 days old) Canaan Elite and it
> exploded on me
> I could have been KILLED!
> I was riding down a steep hill and just at the bottom when all my weight
> was forced onto the bicycle and it exploded. I obviously crashed and was
> incredibly lucky not to be seriously injured. My helmet was also
> destroyed saving my head from a similar fate.
> I know that there is a warranty that could replace bike, but at this point
> I'm scared that it could happen again with the new bike and I could break
> my neck and DIE!
> Do you bike experts think this is fluke or do you think it could happen
> again?
> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken1.jpg
> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken2.jpg
> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken4.jpg
> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken5.jpg

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Check it out. It's "Made in Taiwan".
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
Your computer's hardware is probably made in Taiwan. Possibly China. And
I'll bet the hardware's been pretty reliable. That's as far as I'm going.

Quoted message said:

A Muzi said:

Mike makes a good point. Free China (ROC Taiwan) can indeed do top
quality work. And does.
So far no one has commented on the vendor, Mongoose. Maybe not so much.

Scott Gordo said:

Well, Mongoose is owned by Pacific, as is Schwinn, GT, and Banshee. I
know a bunch of freeriders who really do trust their lives to Banshees
-- they ride pucker-inducing stuff I wouldn't want to decend without
ropes and a belay. This Mongoose's design is borrowed from GT's latest
iteration of their I-drive, which has been around since the late 90's
and has been successful enough.

It could be that the GT has a heavier gauge downtube or better
materials or whatever, but unless Walmart is stepping up their game
this Mongoose wasn't purchased there. Maybe not quite a rebadged GT,
but close enough design-wise.

I should add that nobody's going to heap praise on a Pacific, but it
is a huge brand and therefore has the money to put into R&D.
Theoretically, the upper-end bikes are top quality. Like I said, if I
had the cojones for the nasty stuff, I'd take a long look at Banshee.
It's easy to rail against it, but mass production is great MOST of the
time. When it's not, though....

I'm no expert but a quick search turns up comments like:

"Mongoose Caanan Team
This bike is light! The spec list is unbelievable for the price! I know
I should be looking at the frame not the spec, but you gotta admit, this
is a pretty nice kitted out bike. Some of the reviews seem to say the
bike rides less than the sum of it's parts, also I can't find any
warrently information on this bike"

from:
http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=310546

You seem to imply some meaning to the ownership of Mongoose and other
holdings. Can I then assume that any Ford vehicle, like a Focus, will be
as quick as an Aston Martin, sleek as a Jaguar and as tough as a Volvo?
All Ford-owned, right?
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

A Muzi said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> "Jack Sprat" <[email hidden]> wrote
>> I was riding my nearly new (less than 60 days old) Canaan Elite and it
>> exploded on me
>> I could have been KILLED!
>> I was riding down a steep hill and just at the bottom when all my weight
>> was forced onto the bicycle and it exploded. I obviously crashed and was
>> incredibly lucky not to be seriously injured. My helmet was also
>> destroyed saving my head from a similar fate.
>> I know that there is a warranty that could replace bike, but at this point
>> I'm scared that it could happen again with the new bike and I could break
>> my neck and DIE!
>> Do you bike experts think this is fluke or do you think it could happen
>> again?
>>http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken1.jpg
>>http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken2.jpg
>>http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
>>http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken4.jpg
>>http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken5.jpg
Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> Check it out. It's "Made in Taiwan".
>http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
> Your computer's hardware is probably made in Taiwan. Possibly China. And
> I'll bet the hardware's been pretty reliable. That's as far as I'm going.

A Muzi said:

Mike makes a good point. Free China (ROC Taiwan) can indeed do top
quality work. And does.
So far no one has commented on the vendor, Mongoose. Maybe not so much.

Scott Gordo said:

Well, Mongoose is owned by Pacific, as is Schwinn, GT, and Banshee. I
know a bunch of freeriders who really do trust their lives to Banshees
-- they ride pucker-inducing stuff I wouldn't want to decend without
ropes and a belay. This Mongoose's design is borrowed from GT's latest
iteration of their I-drive, which has been around since the late 90's
and has been successful enough.

Quoted message said:

It could be that the GT has a heavier gauge downtube or better
materials or whatever, but unless Walmart is stepping up their game
this Mongoose wasn't purchased there. Maybe not quite a rebadged GT,
but close enough design-wise.

Quoted message said:

I should add that nobody's going to heap praise on a Pacific, but it
is a huge brand and therefore has the money to put into R&D.
Theoretically, the upper-end bikes are top quality. Like I said, if I
had the cojones for the nasty stuff, I'd take a long look at Banshee.
It's easy to rail against it, but mass production is great MOST of the
time. When it's not, though....

I'm no expert but a quick search turns up comments like:

"Mongoose Caanan Team
This bike is light! The spec list is unbelievable for the price! I know
I should be looking at the frame not the spec, but you gotta admit, this
is a pretty nice kitted out bike. Some of the reviews seem to say the
bike rides less than the sum of it's parts, also I can't find any
warrently information on this bike"

from:http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=310546

You seem to imply some meaning to the ownership of Mongoose and other
holdings. Can I then assume that any Ford vehicle, like a Focus, will be
as quick as an Aston Martin, sleek as a Jaguar and as tough as a Volvo?
All Ford-owned, right?
--
Andrew Muziwww.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

In a way. The newer Jags use the same chassis as a Lincoln LS, for
example.

The divisions divisions compete, naturally, but for the sake of
keeping corporate costs down they're going to share certain tech and
methods (which, beyond the sticker rights, is a sizeable part of the
point of buying another company, isn't it?) I could be wrong, but if
they're not identical, I'd bet that the same engineers who designed
the GT line of I-drives also designed the Mongeese. Same as LeMond
using Trek's OCLV CF or Klien using Trek's ZR aluminum.

Getting back to Pacific, I'd have to assume that their frames are
coming from the same factory, and that their mid- and top-level frames
are likely assembled on the same lines as well.

So maybe a GT downtube is made of 5mm thick Easton RAD aluminum, maybe
it's Mongoose brother gets .001 recycled Coke cans?

/s

A Muzi said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> "Jack Sprat" <[email hidden]> wrote
>> I was riding my nearly new (less than 60 days old) Canaan Elite and it
>> exploded on me
>> I could have been KILLED!
>> I was riding down a steep hill and just at the bottom when all my weight
>> was forced onto the bicycle and it exploded. I obviously crashed and was
>> incredibly lucky not to be seriously injured. My helmet was also
>> destroyed saving my head from a similar fate.
>> I know that there is a warranty that could replace bike, but at this point
>> I'm scared that it could happen again with the new bike and I could break
>> my neck and DIE!
>> Do you bike experts think this is fluke or do you think it could happen
>> again?
>>http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken1.jpg
>>http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken2.jpg
>>http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
>>http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken4.jpg
>>http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken5.jpg
Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> Check it out. It's "Made in Taiwan".
>http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
> Your computer's hardware is probably made in Taiwan. Possibly China. And
> I'll bet the hardware's been pretty reliable. That's as far as I'm going.

A Muzi said:

Mike makes a good point. Free China (ROC Taiwan) can indeed do top
quality work. And does.
So far no one has commented on the vendor, Mongoose. Maybe not so much.

Scott Gordo said:

Well, Mongoose is owned by Pacific, as is Schwinn, GT, and Banshee. I
know a bunch of freeriders who really do trust their lives to Banshees
-- they ride pucker-inducing stuff I wouldn't want to decend without
ropes and a belay. This Mongoose's design is borrowed from GT's latest
iteration of their I-drive, which has been around since the late 90's
and has been successful enough.

Quoted message said:

It could be that the GT has a heavier gauge downtube or better
materials or whatever, but unless Walmart is stepping up their game
this Mongoose wasn't purchased there. Maybe not quite a rebadged GT,
but close enough design-wise.

Quoted message said:

I should add that nobody's going to heap praise on a Pacific, but it
is a huge brand and therefore has the money to put into R&D.
Theoretically, the upper-end bikes are top quality. Like I said, if I
had the cojones for the nasty stuff, I'd take a long look at Banshee.
It's easy to rail against it, but mass production is great MOST of the
time. When it's not, though....

I'm no expert but a quick search turns up comments like:

"Mongoose Caanan Team
This bike is light! The spec list is unbelievable for the price! I know
I should be looking at the frame not the spec, but you gotta admit, this
is a pretty nice kitted out bike. Some of the reviews seem to say the
bike rides less than the sum of it's parts, also I can't find any
warrently information on this bike"

from:http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=310546

You seem to imply some meaning to the ownership of Mongoose and other
holdings. Can I then assume that any Ford vehicle, like a Focus, will be
as quick as an Aston Martin, sleek as a Jaguar and as tough as a Volvo?
All Ford-owned, right?
--
Andrew Muziwww.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

In a way. The newer Jags use the same chassis as a Lincoln LS, for
example.

The divisions divisions compete, naturally, but for the sake of
keeping corporate costs down they're going to share certain tech and
methods (which, beyond the sticker rights, is a sizeable part of the
point of buying another company, isn't it?) I could be wrong, but if
they're not identical, I'd bet that the same engineers who designed
the GT line of I-drives also designed the Mongeese. Same as LeMond
using Trek's OCLV CF or Klien using Trek's ZR aluminum.

Getting back to Pacific, I'd have to assume that their frames are
coming from the same factory, and that their mid- and top-level frames
are likely assembled on the same lines as well.

So maybe a GT downtube is made of 5mm thick Easton RAD aluminum, maybe
it's Mongoose brother gets .001 recycled Coke cans?

/s

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Your computer's hardware is probably made in Taiwan. Possibly China. And
I'll bet the hardware's been pretty reliable. That's as far as I'm going.

Mike makes a good point. Free China (ROC Taiwan) can indeed do top quality
work. And does.

Yes, but nobody took me up on the corolary, that being that, if a computer
crashes, and it's not the made-in-Taiwan (or China) hardware that's
responsible... sigh.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

"A Muzi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"Jack Sprat" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

I was riding my nearly new (less than 60 days old) Canaan Elite and it
exploded on me
I could have been KILLED!
I was riding down a steep hill and just at the bottom when all my weight
was forced onto the bicycle and it exploded. I obviously crashed and
was incredibly lucky not to be seriously injured. My helmet was also
destroyed saving my head from a similar fate.
I know that there is a warranty that could replace bike, but at this
point I'm scared that it could happen again with the new bike and I
could break my neck and DIE!
Do you bike experts think this is fluke or do you think it could happen
again?
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken1.jpg
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken2.jpg
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken4.jpg
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken5.jpg

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Check it out. It's "Made in Taiwan".
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
Your computer's hardware is probably made in Taiwan. Possibly China. And
I'll bet the hardware's been pretty reliable. That's as far as I'm going.

Mike makes a good point. Free China (ROC Taiwan) can indeed do top quality
work. And does.

So far no one has commented on the vendor, Mongoose. Maybe not so much.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Your computer's hardware is probably made in Taiwan. Possibly China. And
I'll bet the hardware's been pretty reliable. That's as far as I'm going.

Mike makes a good point. Free China (ROC Taiwan) can indeed do top quality
work. And does.

Yes, but nobody took me up on the corolary, that being that, if a computer
crashes, and it's not the made-in-Taiwan (or China) hardware that's
responsible... sigh.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

"A Muzi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"Jack Sprat" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

I was riding my nearly new (less than 60 days old) Canaan Elite and it
exploded on me
I could have been KILLED!
I was riding down a steep hill and just at the bottom when all my weight
was forced onto the bicycle and it exploded. I obviously crashed and
was incredibly lucky not to be seriously injured. My helmet was also
destroyed saving my head from a similar fate.
I know that there is a warranty that could replace bike, but at this
point I'm scared that it could happen again with the new bike and I
could break my neck and DIE!
Do you bike experts think this is fluke or do you think it could happen
again?
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken1.jpg
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken2.jpg
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken4.jpg
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken5.jpg

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Check it out. It's "Made in Taiwan".
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
Your computer's hardware is probably made in Taiwan. Possibly China. And
I'll bet the hardware's been pretty reliable. That's as far as I'm going.

Mike makes a good point. Free China (ROC Taiwan) can indeed do top quality
work. And does.

So far no one has commented on the vendor, Mongoose. Maybe not so much.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> "Jack Sprat" <[email hidden]> wrote
>>> I was riding my nearly new (less than 60 days old) Canaan Elite and it
>>> exploded on me
>>> I could have been KILLED!
>>> I was riding down a steep hill and just at the bottom when all my weight
>>> was forced onto the bicycle and it exploded. I obviously crashed and was
>>> incredibly lucky not to be seriously injured. My helmet was also
>>> destroyed saving my head from a similar fate.
>>> I know that there is a warranty that could replace bike, but at this point
>>> I'm scared that it could happen again with the new bike and I could break
>>> my neck and DIE!
>>> Do you bike experts think this is fluke or do you think it could happen
>>> again?
>>> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken1.jpg
>>> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken2.jpg
>>> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
>>> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken4.jpg
>>> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken5.jpg

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> Check it out. It's "Made in Taiwan".
>> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
>> Your computer's hardware is probably made in Taiwan. Possibly China. And
>> I'll bet the hardware's been pretty reliable. That's as far as I'm going.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

A Muzi <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Mike makes a good point. Free China (ROC Taiwan) can indeed do top
> quality work. And does.
> So far no one has commented on the vendor, Mongoose. Maybe not so much.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Scott Gordo said:

Well, Mongoose is owned by Pacific, as is Schwinn, GT, and Banshee. I
know a bunch of freeriders who really do trust their lives to Banshees
-- they ride pucker-inducing stuff I wouldn't want to decend without
ropes and a belay. This Mongoose's design is borrowed from GT's latest
iteration of their I-drive, which has been around since the late 90's
and has been successful enough.
It could be that the GT has a heavier gauge downtube or better
materials or whatever, but unless Walmart is stepping up their game
this Mongoose wasn't purchased there. Maybe not quite a rebadged GT,
but close enough design-wise.
I should add that nobody's going to heap praise on a Pacific, but it
is a huge brand and therefore has the money to put into R&D.
Theoretically, the upper-end bikes are top quality. Like I said, if I
had the cojones for the nasty stuff, I'd take a long look at Banshee.
It's easy to rail against it, but mass production is great MOST of the
time. When it's not, though....

Quoted message said:

A Muzi said:

I'm no expert but a quick search turns up comments like:
"Mongoose Caanan Team
This bike is light! The spec list is unbelievable for the price! I know
I should be looking at the frame not the spec, but you gotta admit, this
is a pretty nice kitted out bike. Some of the reviews seem to say the
bike rides less than the sum of it's parts, also I can't find any
warrently information on this bike"
from:http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=310546
You seem to imply some meaning to the ownership of Mongoose and other
holdings. Can I then assume that any Ford vehicle, like a Focus, will be
as quick as an Aston Martin, sleek as a Jaguar and as tough as a Volvo?
All Ford-owned, right?

Scott Gordo said:

In a way. The newer Jags use the same chassis as a Lincoln LS, for
example.
The divisions divisions compete, naturally, but for the sake of
keeping corporate costs down they're going to share certain tech and
methods (which, beyond the sticker rights, is a sizeable part of the
point of buying another company, isn't it?) I could be wrong, but if
they're not identical, I'd bet that the same engineers who designed
the GT line of I-drives also designed the Mongeese. Same as LeMond
using Trek's OCLV CF or Klien using Trek's ZR aluminum.
Getting back to Pacific, I'd have to assume that their frames are
coming from the same factory, and that their mid- and top-level frames
are likely assembled on the same lines as well.
So maybe a GT downtube is made of 5mm thick Easton RAD aluminum, maybe
it's Mongoose brother gets .001 recycled Coke cans?

Well done. OK now we need an expert. Any Pacific, Schwinn, GT, Mongoose
dealers out there today? Channeling Sam Walton...
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> "Jack Sprat" <[email hidden]> wrote
>>> I was riding my nearly new (less than 60 days old) Canaan Elite and it
>>> exploded on me
>>> I could have been KILLED!
>>> I was riding down a steep hill and just at the bottom when all my weight
>>> was forced onto the bicycle and it exploded. I obviously crashed and was
>>> incredibly lucky not to be seriously injured. My helmet was also
>>> destroyed saving my head from a similar fate.
>>> I know that there is a warranty that could replace bike, but at this point
>>> I'm scared that it could happen again with the new bike and I could break
>>> my neck and DIE!
>>> Do you bike experts think this is fluke or do you think it could happen
>>> again?
>>> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken1.jpg
>>> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken2.jpg
>>> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
>>> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken4.jpg
>>> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken5.jpg

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> Check it out. It's "Made in Taiwan".
>> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
>> Your computer's hardware is probably made in Taiwan. Possibly China. And
>> I'll bet the hardware's been pretty reliable. That's as far as I'm going.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

A Muzi <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Mike makes a good point. Free China (ROC Taiwan) can indeed do top
> quality work. And does.
> So far no one has commented on the vendor, Mongoose. Maybe not so much.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Scott Gordo said:

Well, Mongoose is owned by Pacific, as is Schwinn, GT, and Banshee. I
know a bunch of freeriders who really do trust their lives to Banshees
-- they ride pucker-inducing stuff I wouldn't want to decend without
ropes and a belay. This Mongoose's design is borrowed from GT's latest
iteration of their I-drive, which has been around since the late 90's
and has been successful enough.
It could be that the GT has a heavier gauge downtube or better
materials or whatever, but unless Walmart is stepping up their game
this Mongoose wasn't purchased there. Maybe not quite a rebadged GT,
but close enough design-wise.
I should add that nobody's going to heap praise on a Pacific, but it
is a huge brand and therefore has the money to put into R&D.
Theoretically, the upper-end bikes are top quality. Like I said, if I
had the cojones for the nasty stuff, I'd take a long look at Banshee.
It's easy to rail against it, but mass production is great MOST of the
time. When it's not, though....

Quoted message said:

A Muzi said:

I'm no expert but a quick search turns up comments like:
"Mongoose Caanan Team
This bike is light! The spec list is unbelievable for the price! I know
I should be looking at the frame not the spec, but you gotta admit, this
is a pretty nice kitted out bike. Some of the reviews seem to say the
bike rides less than the sum of it's parts, also I can't find any
warrently information on this bike"
from:http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=310546
You seem to imply some meaning to the ownership of Mongoose and other
holdings. Can I then assume that any Ford vehicle, like a Focus, will be
as quick as an Aston Martin, sleek as a Jaguar and as tough as a Volvo?
All Ford-owned, right?

Scott Gordo said:

In a way. The newer Jags use the same chassis as a Lincoln LS, for
example.
The divisions divisions compete, naturally, but for the sake of
keeping corporate costs down they're going to share certain tech and
methods (which, beyond the sticker rights, is a sizeable part of the
point of buying another company, isn't it?) I could be wrong, but if
they're not identical, I'd bet that the same engineers who designed
the GT line of I-drives also designed the Mongeese. Same as LeMond
using Trek's OCLV CF or Klien using Trek's ZR aluminum.
Getting back to Pacific, I'd have to assume that their frames are
coming from the same factory, and that their mid- and top-level frames
are likely assembled on the same lines as well.
So maybe a GT downtube is made of 5mm thick Easton RAD aluminum, maybe
it's Mongoose brother gets .001 recycled Coke cans?

Well done. OK now we need an expert. Any Pacific, Schwinn, GT, Mongoose
dealers out there today? Channeling Sam Walton...
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

One of your pictures shows the crack running parallel to a weld. This area
is affected by the welding heat, and is known to all welders as the "heat
affected zone." It is so well known and so often referred to that they
call it the HAZ for short. It looks to me like someone forgot to heat treat
the frame after welding. In addition, the mass of the weld is excessive
compared to the thinwall tubing, resulting, as others have pointed out, in a
stress *raiser* (not "riser."😉 Add the water bottle mount to the mix, which
is also a stress raiser, and the bike "exploded." BTW, Ted, this was a
figure of speech by the OP. We know that bikes don't literally explode,
though it may feel like it when the front wheel encounters a sudden backward
push at the bottom of a hill, and everything else continues forward.

I would say that a recall on this batch of frames may be coming. If someone
crashes in the same way and gets hurt, how the lawyers would LOVE to point
out that it wasn't the first time.

One of your pictures shows the crack running parallel to a weld. This area
is affected by the welding heat, and is known to all welders as the "heat
affected zone." It is so well known and so often referred to that they
call it the HAZ for short. It looks to me like someone forgot to heat treat
the frame after welding. In addition, the mass of the weld is excessive
compared to the thinwall tubing, resulting, as others have pointed out, in a
stress *raiser* (not "riser."😉 Add the water bottle mount to the mix, which
is also a stress raiser, and the bike "exploded." BTW, Ted, this was a
figure of speech by the OP. We know that bikes don't literally explode,
though it may feel like it when the front wheel encounters a sudden backward
push at the bottom of a hill, and everything else continues forward.

I would say that a recall on this batch of frames may be coming. If someone
crashes in the same way and gets hurt, how the lawyers would LOVE to point
out that it wasn't the first time.

A Muzi said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>> "Jack Sprat" <[email hidden]> wrote
>>>> I was riding my nearly new (less than 60 days old) Canaan Elite and it
>>>> exploded on me
>>>> I could have been KILLED!
>>>> I was riding down a steep hill and just at the bottom when all my weight
>>>> was forced onto the bicycle and it exploded. I obviously crashed and was
>>>> incredibly lucky not to be seriously injured. My helmet was also
>>>> destroyed saving my head from a similar fate.
>>>> I know that there is a warranty that could replace bike, but at this point
>>>> I'm scared that it could happen again with the new bike and I could break
>>>> my neck and DIE!
>>>> Do you bike experts think this is fluke or do you think it could happen
>>>> again?
>>>>http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken1.jpg
>>>>http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken2.jpg
>>>>http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
>>>>http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken4.jpg
>>>>http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken5.jpg
>> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>> Check it out. It's "Made in Taiwan".
>>>http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
>>> Your computer's hardware is probably made in Taiwan. Possibly China. And
>>> I'll bet the hardware's been pretty reliable. That's as far as I'm going.
> A Muzi <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> Mike makes a good point. Free China (ROC Taiwan) can indeed do top
>> quality work. And does.
>> So far no one has commented on the vendor, Mongoose. Maybe not so much.
Scott Gordo wrote:
> Well, Mongoose is owned by Pacific, as is Schwinn, GT, and Banshee. I
> know a bunch of freeriders who really do trust their lives to Banshees
> -- they ride pucker-inducing stuff I wouldn't want to decend without
> ropes and a belay. This Mongoose's design is borrowed from GT's latest
> iteration of their I-drive, which has been around since the late 90's
> and has been successful enough.
> It could be that the GT has a heavier gauge downtube or better
> materials or whatever, but unless Walmart is stepping up their game
> this Mongoose wasn't purchased there. Maybe not quite a rebadged GT,
> but close enough design-wise.
> I should add that nobody's going to heap praise on a Pacific, but it
> is a huge brand and therefore has the money to put into R&D.
> Theoretically, the upper-end bikes are top quality. Like I said, if I
> had the cojones for the nasty stuff, I'd take a long look at Banshee.
> It's easy to rail against it, but mass production is great MOST of the
> time. When it's not, though....

A Muzi said:

I'm no expert but a quick search turns up comments like:
"Mongoose Caanan Team
This bike is light! The spec list is unbelievable for the price! I know
I should be looking at the frame not the spec, but you gotta admit, this
is a pretty nice kitted out bike. Some of the reviews seem to say the
bike rides less than the sum of it's parts, also I can't find any
warrently information on this bike"
from:http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=310546
You seem to imply some meaning to the ownership of Mongoose and other
holdings. Can I then assume that any Ford vehicle, like a Focus, will be
as quick as an Aston Martin, sleek as a Jaguar and as tough as a Volvo?
All Ford-owned, right?

Scott Gordo said:

In a way. The newer Jags use the same chassis as a Lincoln LS, for
example.
The divisions divisions compete, naturally, but for the sake of
keeping corporate costs down they're going to share certain tech and
methods (which, beyond the sticker rights, is a sizeable part of the
point of buying another company, isn't it?) I could be wrong, but if
they're not identical, I'd bet that the same engineers who designed
the GT line of I-drives also designed the Mongeese. Same as LeMond
using Trek's OCLV CF or Klien using Trek's ZR aluminum.
Getting back to Pacific, I'd have to assume that their frames are
coming from the same factory, and that their mid- and top-level frames
are likely assembled on the same lines as well.
So maybe a GT downtube is made of 5mm thick Easton RAD aluminum, maybe
it's Mongoose brother gets .001 recycled Coke cans?

Well done. OK now we need an expert. Any Pacific, Schwinn, GT, Mongoose
dealers out there today? Channeling Sam Walton...
--
Andrew Muziwww.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

How about Performance Bicycles? Aren't they a Schwinn dealer?

A Muzi said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>> "Jack Sprat" <[email hidden]> wrote
>>>> I was riding my nearly new (less than 60 days old) Canaan Elite and it
>>>> exploded on me
>>>> I could have been KILLED!
>>>> I was riding down a steep hill and just at the bottom when all my weight
>>>> was forced onto the bicycle and it exploded. I obviously crashed and was
>>>> incredibly lucky not to be seriously injured. My helmet was also
>>>> destroyed saving my head from a similar fate.
>>>> I know that there is a warranty that could replace bike, but at this point
>>>> I'm scared that it could happen again with the new bike and I could break
>>>> my neck and DIE!
>>>> Do you bike experts think this is fluke or do you think it could happen
>>>> again?
>>>>http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken1.jpg
>>>>http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken2.jpg
>>>>http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
>>>>http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken4.jpg
>>>>http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken5.jpg
>> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>> Check it out. It's "Made in Taiwan".
>>>http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
>>> Your computer's hardware is probably made in Taiwan. Possibly China. And
>>> I'll bet the hardware's been pretty reliable. That's as far as I'm going.
> A Muzi <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> Mike makes a good point. Free China (ROC Taiwan) can indeed do top
>> quality work. And does.
>> So far no one has commented on the vendor, Mongoose. Maybe not so much.
Scott Gordo wrote:
> Well, Mongoose is owned by Pacific, as is Schwinn, GT, and Banshee. I
> know a bunch of freeriders who really do trust their lives to Banshees
> -- they ride pucker-inducing stuff I wouldn't want to decend without
> ropes and a belay. This Mongoose's design is borrowed from GT's latest
> iteration of their I-drive, which has been around since the late 90's
> and has been successful enough.
> It could be that the GT has a heavier gauge downtube or better
> materials or whatever, but unless Walmart is stepping up their game
> this Mongoose wasn't purchased there. Maybe not quite a rebadged GT,
> but close enough design-wise.
> I should add that nobody's going to heap praise on a Pacific, but it
> is a huge brand and therefore has the money to put into R&D.
> Theoretically, the upper-end bikes are top quality. Like I said, if I
> had the cojones for the nasty stuff, I'd take a long look at Banshee.
> It's easy to rail against it, but mass production is great MOST of the
> time. When it's not, though....

A Muzi said:

I'm no expert but a quick search turns up comments like:
"Mongoose Caanan Team
This bike is light! The spec list is unbelievable for the price! I know
I should be looking at the frame not the spec, but you gotta admit, this
is a pretty nice kitted out bike. Some of the reviews seem to say the
bike rides less than the sum of it's parts, also I can't find any
warrently information on this bike"
from:http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=310546
You seem to imply some meaning to the ownership of Mongoose and other
holdings. Can I then assume that any Ford vehicle, like a Focus, will be
as quick as an Aston Martin, sleek as a Jaguar and as tough as a Volvo?
All Ford-owned, right?

Scott Gordo said:

In a way. The newer Jags use the same chassis as a Lincoln LS, for
example.
The divisions divisions compete, naturally, but for the sake of
keeping corporate costs down they're going to share certain tech and
methods (which, beyond the sticker rights, is a sizeable part of the
point of buying another company, isn't it?) I could be wrong, but if
they're not identical, I'd bet that the same engineers who designed
the GT line of I-drives also designed the Mongeese. Same as LeMond
using Trek's OCLV CF or Klien using Trek's ZR aluminum.
Getting back to Pacific, I'd have to assume that their frames are
coming from the same factory, and that their mid- and top-level frames
are likely assembled on the same lines as well.
So maybe a GT downtube is made of 5mm thick Easton RAD aluminum, maybe
it's Mongoose brother gets .001 recycled Coke cans?

Well done. OK now we need an expert. Any Pacific, Schwinn, GT, Mongoose
dealers out there today? Channeling Sam Walton...
--
Andrew Muziwww.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

How about Performance Bicycles? Aren't they a Schwinn dealer?

In article <[email hidden]>,

M-gineering said:

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Quoted message said:

I'm inclined to agree with your assessment, especially the failure
having started at the the water bottle boss. But what's up with the
discoloration on some of the cracks?

I guess it started with the seattube cradle breaking (note bit(s)
missing in http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken5.jpg) This caused
to much movement in the main traingle with the crack in the downtube
starting at the bottleboss. Once the crack was big enough to tear the
tube with a gross overload the whole bike fell apart

I do not think so.

* First fracture at the water bottle boss.
* Now the top tube is asked to carry too much strain
and fractures.
* When the main triangle gives way, the rider crashes
onto the saddle, but the seat tube cradle must carry
all the force normally taken up in the top tube,
and the seat tube cradle fractures.

--
Michael Press

In article <[email hidden]>,

M-gineering said:

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Quoted message said:

I'm inclined to agree with your assessment, especially the failure
having started at the the water bottle boss. But what's up with the
discoloration on some of the cracks?

I guess it started with the seattube cradle breaking (note bit(s)
missing in http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken5.jpg) This caused
to much movement in the main traingle with the crack in the downtube
starting at the bottleboss. Once the crack was big enough to tear the
tube with a gross overload the whole bike fell apart

I do not think so.

* First fracture at the water bottle boss.
* Now the top tube is asked to carry too much strain
and fractures.
* When the main triangle gives way, the rider crashes
onto the saddle, but the seat tube cradle must carry
all the force normally taken up in the top tube,
and the seat tube cradle fractures.

--
Michael Press

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bill Sornson said:

Greens said:

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Jack Sprat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> I was riding my nearly new (less than 60 days old) Canaan Elite and
> it exploded on me
>
> I could have been KILLED!
>
> I was riding down a steep hill and just at the bottom when all my
> weight was forced onto the bicycle and it exploded. I obviously
> crashed and was incredibly lucky not to be seriously injured. My
> helmet was also destroyed saving my head from a similar fate.
>
> I know that there is a warranty that could replace bike, but at this
> point I'm scared that it could happen again with the new bike and I
> could break my neck and DIE!
>
> Do you bike experts think this is fluke or do you think it could
> happen again?
>
> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken1.jpg
> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken2.jpg
> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken4.jpg
> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken5.jpg

Check it out. It's "Made in Taiwan".
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg

Your computer's hardware is probably made in Taiwan. Possibly China.
And I'll bet the hardware's been pretty reliable. That's as far as
I'm going. --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

You don't break your neck if your computer crashes.

Someone call the Logic Police! Quick!

Nothing to see here. Move along now.

--
Michael Press

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bill Sornson said:

Greens said:

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Jack Sprat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> I was riding my nearly new (less than 60 days old) Canaan Elite and
> it exploded on me
>
> I could have been KILLED!
>
> I was riding down a steep hill and just at the bottom when all my
> weight was forced onto the bicycle and it exploded. I obviously
> crashed and was incredibly lucky not to be seriously injured. My
> helmet was also destroyed saving my head from a similar fate.
>
> I know that there is a warranty that could replace bike, but at this
> point I'm scared that it could happen again with the new bike and I
> could break my neck and DIE!
>
> Do you bike experts think this is fluke or do you think it could
> happen again?
>
> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken1.jpg
> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken2.jpg
> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken4.jpg
> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken5.jpg

Check it out. It's "Made in Taiwan".
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg

Your computer's hardware is probably made in Taiwan. Possibly China.
And I'll bet the hardware's been pretty reliable. That's as far as
I'm going. --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

You don't break your neck if your computer crashes.

Someone call the Logic Police! Quick!

Nothing to see here. Move along now.

--
Michael Press

In article
<[email hidden]>,

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Your computer's hardware is probably made in Taiwan. Possibly China. And
I'll bet the hardware's been pretty reliable. That's as far as I'm going.

Mike makes a good point. Free China (ROC Taiwan) can indeed do top quality
work. And does.

Yes, but nobody took me up on the corolary, that being that, if a computer

^^^^^^^^
I _know_ that there is a double letter in there someplace.
Can never remember how to spel it.

--
Michael Press