My little boy

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Date: 10/30/2003 9:06 AM Pacific Standard Time
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My little boy had a bad reaction to polio vaccination. He will never get another vaccination for as
long as I am alive.

perhaps you would prefer life in the modern day version of an iron lung for your boy??

having been raised in the 50's and nursing in the 60's I have never seen anything sadder than a ward
full of folks LIVING in an iron lung

but the choice is yours...unless his "reaction" was life threatening,,...you have very little to
[censored] about...

hawki

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hotmoon said:

My little boy had a bad reaction to polio vaccination. He will never get another vaccination for as
long as I am alive.

Wrong conclusion to draw -- it's like Mark Twain's cat, which sat on a hot stove lid, and thereafter
would not sit on any kind of stove lid, hot or cold.

If your boy had a bad reaction to a polio vaccine, then it'd be reasonable for him not to have
another one. It does NOT mean that it's reasonable to not vaccinate him for anything else.

It would also be good to try to find out what it was that caused the reaction. If it was an allergic
reaction, you should try to find out which ingredient was the culprit.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

(hotmoon) said:

My little boy had a bad reaction to polio vaccination. He will never get another vaccination for as
long as I am alive.

He would better get another mother. One with an intact brain.

Regards,

Aribert Deckers
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My little boy had a bad reaction to polio vaccination. He will never get another vaccination for as
long as I am alive.

If he dies before you do, you will have achieved your aim.

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hotmoon said:

My little boy had a bad reaction to polio vaccination. He will never get another vaccination for
as long as I am alive.

Don't just leap to that conclusion. The reaction may not have been as serious as it could have been,
and you didn't say what kind of reaction he had. Besides, his doctor would be the one to make any
recommendation to continue with vaccinations or not.

With the exception of chicken pox, which is just an annoyance for most children who get it, the
immunizations that are required are for diseases that are known killers; even measles kills about
25% of the people who get it. There are reasons for the immunizations. Now, there are reactions that
would make any doc decide to not go any further with the immunizations, but this is a decision that
should be made rationally and not emotionally. I know, easy for me to say, but I fretted after my
kids' DTP shots and MMR shots, looking for the slightest thing that may be a sign of a problem, but
all of them handled them with nothing more serious than a slight fever - expected - and a bit of
extra crankiness for the rest of the day.

Discuss this with your son's doctor, then make an educated decision.

Kimmer kimagreenfieldatyahoodotcom

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My little boy had a bad reaction to polio vaccination. He will never get another vaccination for
as long as I am alive.

That's a rather broad generalization, don't you think?

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Subject: My little boy From: [email hidden] (hotmoon) Date: 10/30/2003 9:06 AM Pacific
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My little boy had a bad reaction to polio vaccination. He will never get another vaccination for
as long as I am alive.

perhaps you would prefer life in the modern day version of an iron lung

for

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your boy??

having been raised in the 50's and nursing in the 60's I have never seen anything sadder than a
ward full of folks LIVING in an iron lung

but the choice is yours...unless his "reaction" was life threatening,,...you have very little to
[censored] about...

Excuse me are you mad? Anth

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Kimmer said:

hotmoon said:

My little boy had a bad reaction to polio vaccination. He will never get another vaccination for
as long as I am alive.

Don't just leap to that conclusion. The reaction may not have been as serious as it could have
been, and you didn't say what kind of reaction he had. Besides, his doctor would be the one to make
any recommendation to continue with vaccinations or not.

With the exception of chicken pox, which is just an annoyance for most children who get it, the
immunizations that are required are for diseases that are known killers; even measles kills about
25% of the people who get it.

Actually, no; even for malnourished populations of children, it's more like 10%. But it can kill
even in healthy populations, and some of the sequelae are quite unpleasant, like permanent
neurological damage.

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There are reasons for the immunizations. Now, there are reactions that would make any doc decide to
not go any further with the immunizations, but this is a decision that should be made rationally
and not emotionally. I know, easy for me to say, but I fretted after my kids' DTP shots and MMR
shots, looking for the slightest thing that may be a sign of a problem, but all of them handled
them with nothing more serious than a slight fever - expected - and a bit of extra crankiness for
the rest of the day.

Discuss this with your son's doctor, then make an educated decision.

Hear, hear. Nobody wants their children to come to harm, but the hysteria over the (rare) vaccine
reactions causes people to forget the dangers of the diseases against which we vaccinate!

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

In said:

even measles kills about 25% of the people who get it.

More like 2/1000

However, before oxygen therapy for pneumonia, the death rate was closer to 10% -- my mother
certainly considered measles a very serious disease when I and my brothers had it.

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Subject: My little boy From: [email hidden] (hotmoon) Date: 10/30/2003 9:06 AM Pacific
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My little boy had a bad reaction to polio vaccination. He will never get another vaccination for
as long as I am alive.

perhaps you would prefer life in the modern day version of an iron lung for your boy??

having been raised in the 50's and nursing in the 60's I have never seen anything sadder than a
ward full of folks LIVING in an iron lung

but the choice is yours...unless his "reaction" was life threatening,,...you have very little to
[censored] about...

hawki

You attitude may make for good public policy, but as parental policy, it sucks. The next shot might
kill him. The over-reaction gets worse and worse as the child gets each new shot.

Yup would be a good idea to have the adrenalin shots handy... Anth

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Subject: My little boy From: [email hidden] (hotmoon) Date: 10/30/2003 9:06 AM Pacific
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My little boy had a bad reaction to polio vaccination. He will never get another vaccination
for as long as I am alive.

perhaps you would prefer life in the modern day version of an iron lung

for

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your boy??

having been raised in the 50's and nursing in the 60's I have never seen anything sadder than a
ward full of folks LIVING in an iron lung

but the choice is yours...unless his "reaction" was life threatening,,...you have very little
to [censored]

about...

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hawki

You attitude may make for good public policy, but as parental policy, it sucks. The next shot
might kill him. The over-reaction gets worse and worse as the child gets each new shot.

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Subject: My little boy From: [email hidden] (hotmoon) Date: 10/30/2003 9:06 AM Pacific
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My little boy had a bad reaction to polio vaccination. He will never get another vaccination
for as long as I am alive.

perhaps you would prefer life in the modern day version of an iron lung

for

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your boy??

having been raised in the 50's and nursing in the 60's I have never seen anything sadder than a
ward full of folks LIVING in an iron lung

but the choice is yours...unless his "reaction" was life threatening,,...you have very little
to [censored]

about...

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hawki

You attitude may make for good public policy, but as parental policy, it sucks. The next shot
might kill him. The over-reaction gets worse and worse as the child gets each new shot.

What is the nature of this "over-reaction"? Hives? Difficulty breathing? or kicking and screaming
and clawing at the nurse? You have never identified the "reaction" as an allergy.

--Rich

Yes and what is the risk of getting polio these days? Anth

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>Subject: My little boy From: [email hidden] (hotmoon) Date: 10/30/2003 9:06 AM Pacific
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>My little boy had a bad reaction to polio vaccination. He will never get another vaccination
>for as long as I am alive.
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perhaps you would prefer life in the modern day version of an iron lung

for

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your boy??

having been raised in the 50's and nursing in the 60's I have never

seen

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anything sadder than a ward full of folks LIVING in an iron lung

but the choice is yours...unless his "reaction" was life threatening,,...you have very little
to [censored]

about...

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Excuse me are you mad? Anth

No, Anth, she has real world experience. Polio is a very serious disease. Roger said his child had
a bad reaction to the shot. He did not say

_WHAT_ the

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reaction was. If it were a couple of days of discomfort, which is

significant,

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it is still worth having the vaccination.

If the child had a lifethreatening reaction, then obviously, the doctor

would

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know (you don't think that Roger wouldn't mention that to the MD or that

he'd

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make this up?) and would not give him the follow up.

Its a matter of risk vs reward, not a simple matter of "Vaccine bad, Frankenstein always say so!"

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Anth said:

Yes and what is the risk of getting polio these days?

It depends on where you are. There's a polio epidemic in Nigeria these days, for example. And it's
being made worse by rumors that the polio vaccine is targeted at Muslims, to make them ill or
sterile. So, surprise surprise, the parents don't get their kids vaccinated and the kids get polio!

Various stupid people try to make the argument that because a given disease is now rare, we don't
need to vaccinate for it any more. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, Anth, and ask if
you can figure out *why* I'm calling those people stupid.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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> >Subject: My little boy From: [email hidden] (hotmoon) Date: 10/30/2003 9:06 AM
> >Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <[email hidden]>
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> >My little boy had a bad reaction to polio vaccination. He will never get another vaccination
> >for as long as I am alive.
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> >
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> perhaps you would prefer life in the modern day version of an iron lung
for
> your boy??
>
> having been raised in the 50's and nursing in the 60's I have never

seen

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> anything sadder than a ward full of folks LIVING in an iron lung
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> but the choice is yours...unless his "reaction" was life threatening,,...you have very little
> to [censored]

about...

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Excuse me are you mad? Anth

No, Anth, she has real world experience. Polio is a very serious disease. Roger said his child
had a bad reaction to the shot. He did not say

_WHAT_ the

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reaction was. If it were a couple of days of discomfort, which is

significant,

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it is still worth having the vaccination.

If the child had a lifethreatening reaction, then obviously, the doctor

would

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know (you don't think that Roger wouldn't mention that to the MD or that

he'd

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make this up?) and would not give him the follow up.

Its a matter of risk vs reward, not a simple matter of "Vaccine bad, Frankenstein always say so!"

Anth said:

Yes and what is the risk of getting polio these days?

Ever seen a physically deformed child born to an un (measles) vaccinated mother?

I have :-(

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>> Subject: My little boy From: [email hidden] (hotmoon) Date: 10/30/2003 9:06 AM Pacific
>> Standard Time Message-id: <[email hidden]>
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>> My little boy had a bad reaction to polio vaccination. He will never get another vaccination
>> for as long as I am alive.
>>
>>
>
> perhaps you would prefer life in the modern day version of an iron lung for your boy??
>
> having been raised in the 50's and nursing in the 60's I have never seen anything sadder than a
> ward full of folks LIVING in an iron lung
>
> but the choice is yours...unless his "reaction" was life threatening,,...you have very little
> to [censored] about...

Excuse me are you mad? Anth

No, Anth, she has real world experience. Polio is a very serious disease. Roger said his child
had a bad reaction to the shot. He did not say _WHAT_ the reaction was. If it were a couple of
days of discomfort, which is significant, it is still worth having the vaccination.

If the child had a lifethreatening reaction, then obviously, the doctor would know (you don't
think that Roger wouldn't mention that to the MD or that he'd make this up?) and would not give
him the follow up.

Its a matter of risk vs reward, not a simple matter of "Vaccine bad, Frankenstein always say so!"

Nope But it's easy to sit there and patronise when you have not been bitten. I live in a society
where polio is all but stamped out. Anth

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Anth said:

Nope But it's easy to sit there and patronise when you have not been bitten. I live in a society
where polio is all but stamped out.

What do you think would happen if everyone in your society stopped vaccinating their children?? Do
you think that would increase, decrease or cause no change in rate of polio infection over the next
year, decade, etc?? Please explain your answer.

Hint: The reason that there are no new cases of polio in your society is because mass vaccination
has been so successful. Look at societies that don't have mass vaccination.

Hint: We live in a world where people travel to the United States and other modern countries from
third world countries where polio is epidemic. A single carrier could cause a mass epidemic in an
unvaccinated population.

Aloha,

Rich

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Nope But it's easy to sit there and patronise when you have not been bitten. I live in a society
where polio is all but stamped out. Anth

All the more reason to keep vaccinating against it.

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