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  1. Apparently the State of California's legislature late in 2003 passed a licensing law, whereby only
    graduates of the three accredited 4-year Naturopathic schools in the US & maybe one or two in Canada
    can be licensed in the State by passing a board examination. The current naturopaths who are not
    graduates of those accredited schools can continue to practice, but apparently no longer can use the
    title "N.D.", as in "Doctor". Additionally, pursuant to the new law, the newly licensed
    "Naturopathic Doctors" are now allowed to do certain additional things in their practice that the
    "Naturopaths" cannot, such as very minor "surgery", etc. Apparently, relatively few practicing
    N.D.'s qualify for licensing in California as, at least educationally, they don't meet the new law's
    requirements.

    I also found that only 13 states plus a couple of U.S. Territories have licensing laws for
    Naturopaths, but I don't know how similar they are to California.

    This makes me curious as to what kind of professional education one would run into if it wasn't from
    one of the few accredited schools. What is the "norm"?

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    Apparently the State of California's legislature late in 2003 passed a licensing law, whereby only
    graduates of the three accredited 4-year Naturopathic schools in the US & maybe one or two in
    Canada can be licensed in the State by passing a board examination. The current naturopaths who
    are not graduates of those accredited schools can continue to practice, but apparently no longer
    can use the title "N.D.", as in "Doctor". Additionally, pursuant to the new law, the newly
    licensed "Naturopathic Doctors" are now allowed to do certain additional things in their practice
    that the "Naturopaths" cannot, such as very minor "surgery", etc. Apparently, relatively few
    practicing N.D.'s qualify for licensing in California as, at least educationally, they don't meet
    the new law's requirements.

    I also found that only 13 states plus a couple of U.S. Territories have licensing laws for
    Naturopaths, but I don't know how similar they are to California.

    This makes me curious as to what kind of professional education one would run into if it wasn't
    from one of the few accredited schools. What is the "norm"?

    There are mail order programs. One of the most notorious Not-a-Docotr's is Hulda Clark who has one.

  3. Quoted message said:

    Apparently the State of California's legislature late in 2003 passed a licensing law, whereby only
    graduates of the three accredited 4-year Naturopathic schools in the US & maybe one or two in
    Canada can be licensed in the State by passing a board examination. The current naturopaths who are
    not graduates of those accredited schools can continue to practice, but apparently no longer can
    use the title "N.D.", as in "Doctor". Additionally, pursuant to the new law, the newly licensed
    "Naturopathic Doctors" are now allowed to do certain additional things in their practice that the
    "Naturopaths" cannot, such as very minor "surgery", etc. Apparently, relatively few practicing
    N.D.'s qualify for licensing in California as, at least educationally, they don't meet the new
    law's requirements.

    I also found that only 13 states plus a couple of U.S. Territories have licensing laws for
    Naturopaths, but I don't know how similar they are to California.

    This makes me curious as to what kind of professional education one would run into if it wasn't
    from one of the few accredited schools. What is the "norm"?

    Kathy, there are two main types that represent the "Norm" outside of the few 4 year graduates. The
    first are people who think like Chuck, aka DrCEEPhD. They read a few things about auto-toxicity,
    failure/corruption/personal misconduction in some aspect of healthcare, and decide that the old ways
    were right and the new ways are a conspiracy. They root their beliefs in stuff from the "golden age"
    of medicine, the 1800's.

    The second group are a bunch of people who got a mail order degree from a church affliated group.
    Their doctrine is not as conspiracy based, but their methods aren't too far apart from them.

    Their diagnostic methods range from iridology, muscle testing (applied kinesiology), aura diagnosis
    (kirlian photography), palpation, tongue/pulse readings, and galvanic skin response. Their treatment
    methods usually include some sort of supplements (vitamins, amino acids, or some "nutraceutical"😉,
    some sort of cleanse (colon, liver, kidey, lung, lymph), some sort of dietary recomendation (don't
    eat X, eat more of Y, don't eat X & Z together), and of course Zappers, Rife Machines, Colonics,
    homeopathics, herbal formulas, affirmations/mantras.

    In some cases, you may find someone with a good combination of Massage/Chiropractic/Physical therapy
    along with some practical nutrition and exercise advice. In most cases, you'll get someone whose
    practice is rooted in old belief systems and not aligned with science. The advice can range from
    silly (don't use fluorescent lights) to pernicious (vaccines don't work, viruses don't cause
    disease, etc).

    The norm is very inconsistent and quite frankly, scarily dangerous.

  4. Researching further, it was estimated that of about 2,000 N.D.'s practicng in California last year,
    only somewhere between 60 & 200 would currently be eligible for licensing. I presume the balance
    would be likely either mail-order or on-line graduates as I'm not aware of any brick & mortar
    schools in California that offer on-site N.D. degrees, even of less than 4-years duration. But
    please correct me if my assumption is incorrect.

  5. The other strange thing about this new California l N D. licensing law is that those graduates of
    the few accredited Naturopathic institutions (one each in Portland, Oregon, Seattle, WA, Tempe, AZ,
    & perhaps the not-quite-accredited one in Bridgeport, CN) will now be able to prescribe "pharmacy
    drugs" (the stuiff Pfizer & Merck, et al produce), but only under the auspices of a M.D. or D.O.

    However, it is clear from statements made by reps of their professional organizations & some N.D.'s
    themselvesthat helped push this law through that they will next (possibly within the next few
    years) try to get the licensed Natiropathic Doctors the power to be able to write pharmacy drug
    prescriptions on their own.

    So would this be "complementary medicine" in reverse??

  6. Four years of Naturopathic college to get licenced in Canada

    ccnm.eduabout.html

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Apparently the State of California's legislature late in 2003 passed a licensing law, whereby only
    graduates of the three accredited 4-year Naturopathic schools in the US & maybe one or two in
    Canada can be licensed in the State by passing a board examination. The current naturopaths who
    are not graduates of those accredited schools can continue to practice, but apparently no longer
    can use the title "N.D.", as in "Doctor". Additionally, pursuant to the new law, the newly
    licensed "Naturopathic Doctors" are now allowed to do certain additional things in their practice
    that the "Naturopaths" cannot, such as very minor "surgery", etc. Apparently, relatively few
    practicing N.D.'s qualify for licensing in California as, at least educationally, they don't meet
    the new law's requirements.

    I also found that only 13 states plus a couple of U.S. Territories have licensing laws for
    Naturopaths, but I don't know how similar they are to California.

    This makes me curious as to what kind of professional education one would run into if it wasn't
    from one of the few accredited schools. What is the "norm"?

  7. So does this mean that in Canada, one can still call themselves a "Naturopath" & practice as such
    even without govenment licensing, as that's the case now in California? Is there more than one
    accredited 4-year Naturopathic College in Canada other than the one in Toronto?

  8. I believe Naturopathic Doctors have been regulated (licenced) in this country since the late 1800's.
    There are many ND colleges in Canada, maybe hundreds...I do not know.

    Since it is a legal title here you cannot call yourself a Naturopath (N.D.) if you are not
    licenced as one.

    Medical doctors can lose their licences here for practicing Naturopathic methods. My N.D. has a pHD
    in medicine and cannot practice medicine as he has chosen another practice. This does not hold true
    in reverse.

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    So does this mean that in Canada, one can still call themselves a "Naturopath" & practice as such
    even without govenment licensing, as that's the case now in California? Is there more than one
    accredited 4-year Naturopathic College in Canada other than the one in Toronto?

  9. I believe I answered that in my previous post.

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    Well I since looked the matter up on some Canadian sites & its laws regarding naturopathic doctors
    & it appears that currently Canada has only one "accredited" college for that, the one in Toronto,
    with another waiting possible accrediting.

    Apparently four of its Provinces (& apparently none of its territories) currently license (they
    call it "register"😉 N.D.s, but ONLY after graduating from that one Toronto college (not sure
    whether they accept U.S. grads of our three accredited colleges, but I believe so), after which
    the graduates have to pass "rigorous" boards & annually continue their education to remain a
    Naturopathic Doctor in good-standing.

    So my question still is does Canada allow unregistered (not meeting the criteria in the immediately-
    preceding paragraph) "Naturopaths" to hang out their shingle?

  10. I am aware of a few cases of M.Ds being charged and losing license in Canada for practicing
    "Unorthodox methods" M.D.s are not allowed to deviate from their formal teachings.

    "Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040118161021.24764.00000276@mb-
    m16.aol.com...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Naturopathic Doctors From: "Gymmy Bob" [email hidden] Date: 1/18/2004 10:23 AM
    Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    My N.D. has a pHD in medicine and cannot practice medicine as he has chosen another practice.
    This does not hold true in reverse.

    a PhD in medicine??? from where??

    no such thing in the US...yes an MD can be a PhD as well...but it is not


    in

    Quoted message said:

    medicine..and Yes..they can practice "medicine"... hawki

  11. "Gymmy Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I am aware of a few cases of M.Ds being charged and losing license in


    Canada

    Quoted message said:

    for practicing "Unorthodox methods" M.D.s are not allowed to deviate from their formal teachings.

    I doubt this. What were the "unorthodox methods"? There must have been negligence involved.

    le m

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    "Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040118161021.24764.00000276@mb-
    m16.aol.com...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Naturopathic Doctors From: "Gymmy Bob" [email hidden] Date: 1/18/2004 10:23 AM
    Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    My N.D. has a pHD in medicine and cannot practice medicine as he has chosen another practice.
    This does not hold true in reverse.

    a PhD in medicine??? from where??

    no such thing in the US...yes an MD can be a PhD as well...but it is not


    in

    Quoted message said:

    medicine..and Yes..they can practice "medicine"... hawki

  12. We have degrees from Washington and two other states and Chiropractic degrees in general Chiro
    ,Sports Medicine and Orthopaedic Chiro. We do very well in both. Many in my family have pursed their
    dreams to practice holistic medicine rather than allopathic medicine. I must admit though that two
    of my brothers are of the M.D. persuasion and two others are lawyers and a sis is another sort of
    legal beagle.

    Quoted message said:

    Apparently the State of California's legislature late in 2003 passed a licensing law, whereby only
    graduates of the three accredited 4-year Naturopathic schools in the US & maybe one or two in
    Canada can be licensed in the State by passing a board examination. The current naturopaths who
    are not graduates of those accredited schools can continue to practice, but apparently no longer
    can use the title "N.D.", as in "Doctor". Additionally, pursuant to the new law, the newly
    licensed "Naturopathic Doctors" are now allowed to do certain additional things in their practice
    that the "Naturopaths" cannot, such as very minor "surgery", etc. Apparently, relatively few
    practicing N.D.'s qualify for licensing in California as, at least educationally, they don't meet
    the new law's requirements.

    I also found that only 13 states plus a couple of U.S. Territories have licensing laws for
    Naturopaths, but I don't know how similar they are to California.

    This makes me curious as to what kind of professional education one would run into if it wasn't
    from one of the few accredited schools. What is the "norm"?

  13. So do you practice as an N.D.? I presume if you practiced in California & the other licensing states
    (with perhaps at least six more on the horizon), you still couldn't be licensed as a" Doctor of
    Naturopathy" because your area of training is rather the chiropractic field?

    What are your other areas of expertise in the holistic health field? I ask this because I have an
    acquaintance in the Midwest (NOT in a licensing state)who consults a licensed chiropractor, but when
    they got into "dietary" matters for her & her daughters, her chiropractor referred them on to a N.D.
    who (supposedly) is an expert on this subject, though I know graduates of correspondence schools
    witout that much training can easily hang out shingle, particularly in non-licensing states

  14. We do both as practicing holistic healers. You fly under the chiro and add others to your resources.

    Quoted message said:

    So do you practice as an N.D.? I presume if you practiced in California & the other licensing
    states (with perhaps at least six more on the horizon), you still couldn't be licensed as a"
    Doctor of Naturopathy" because your area of training is rather the chiropractic field?

    What are your other areas of expertise in the holistic health field? I ask this because I have an
    acquaintance in the Midwest (NOT in a licensing state)who consults a licensed chiropractor, but
    when they got into "dietary" matters for her & her daughters, her chiropractor referred them on
    to a N.D. who (supposedly) is an expert on this subject, though I know graduates of
    correspondence schools witout that much training can easily hang out shingle, particularly in non-
    licensing states

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