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  1. Hello,

    The Naturopathic Public Awareness Campaign (NPAC) is a grass
    roots organization committed to securing licensure for
    naturopathic doctors in all 50 states. The vision of
    dedicated naturopathic students at Southwest College of
    Naturopathic Medicine in Tempe, Arizona, this organization
    has already demonstrated what desire, focus and organization
    can do by spearheading successful efforts to secure
    licensing in California. With this momentum, NPAC is
    prepared to assist Florida, Washington D.C., New York and
    many other states who have legislation in place and just
    need support and back-up to make licensure a reality.

    Why is licensing important?

    Licensing protects doctors and patients. It provides for
    regulation that insures safe practice and allows patients to
    make informeddecisions about their health care. Naturopathic
    doctors attend a post-baccalaureate four year medical
    program that prepares them to provide primary health care.
    The philosophy guiding this health care is 1) First, Do No
    Harm, 2) The Healing Power of Nature, 3) Discover and Treat
    the Cause, 4) Treat the Whole Person, 5) The Physician as
    Teacher, and 6) Prevention is the Best Cure. Guided by this
    philosophy, Naturopathic Doctors offer choices in health
    management that extend beyond prescriptions and surgery to
    include botanical medicine, homeopathy, mind/body work,
    physical medicine, hydrotherapy, traditional Chinese
    medicine, and other modalities uniquely tailored to the
    individual's need.

    On April 17th, 2004, NPAC is hosting a fundraising event to
    offset the costs of raising awareness for Naturopathic
    Licensing.

    Activities will include a live auction for valuable prizes
    and a raffle where you have better than a 1 in 54 chance of
    winning. If you just can't be there, you still have a chance
    to win and support this important cause by purchasing raffle
    tickets in advance online. Only 2,000 raffle tickets will be
    sold for a price of $25.00 per ticket. Over $6000 in prizes
    will be given away and include a seven day resort vacation
    valued at $1,750, an $800 sports entertainment package, fine
    jewelry, professional health care services, golf pro
    lessons, gift certificates to restaurants and specialty
    stores, acupuncture and massage sessions, decorator items,
    fitness training, tickets to sporting events and much more.

    Visit www.globalnpac.org for more information.

  2. "Jason Jensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Hello,

    The Naturopathic Public Awareness Campaign (NPAC) is a
    grass roots organization committed to securing licensure
    for naturopathic doctors in all 50 states. The vision of
    dedicated naturopathic students at Southwest College of
    Naturopathic Medicine in Tempe, Arizona, this organization
    has already demonstrated what desire, focus and
    organization can do by spearheading successful efforts to
    secure licensing in California. With this momentum, NPAC
    is prepared to assist Florida, Washington D.C., New York
    and many other states who have legislation in place and
    just need support and back-up to make licensure a reality.

    Why is licensing important?

    Licensing protects doctors and patients. It provides for
    regulation that insures safe practice and allows patients
    to make informeddecisions about their health care.
    Naturopathic doctors attend a post-baccalaureate four year
    medical program that prepares them to provide primary
    health care. The philosophy guiding this health care is 1)
    First, Do No Harm, 2) The Healing Power of Nature, 3)
    Discover and Treat the Cause, 4) Treat the Whole Person,
    5) The Physician as Teacher, and 6) Prevention is the Best
    Cure. Guided by this philosophy, Naturopathic Doctors
    offer choices in health management that extend beyond
    prescriptions and surgery to include botanical medicine,
    homeopathy, mind/body work, physical medicine,
    hydrotherapy, traditional Chinese medicine, and other
    modalities uniquely tailored to the individual's need.

    On April 17th, 2004, NPAC is hosting a fundraising event
    to offset the costs of raising awareness for Naturopathic
    Licensing.

    Activities will include a live auction for valuable prizes
    and a raffle where you have better than a 1 in 54 chance
    of winning. If you just can't be there, you still have a
    chance to win and support this important cause by
    purchasing raffle tickets in advance online. Only 2,000
    raffle tickets will be sold for a price of $25.00 per
    ticket. Over $6000 in prizes will be given away and
    include a seven day resort vacation valued at $1,750, an
    $800 sports entertainment package, fine jewelry,
    professional health care services, golf pro lessons, gift
    certificates to restaurants and specialty stores,
    acupuncture and massage sessions, decorator items, fitness
    training, tickets to sporting events and much more.

    Visit www.globalnpac.org for more information.


    Licensing guaranties mediocrity.

  3. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Naturopathic Licensure
    From: "mdd" [email hidden]
    Date: 4/5/2004 5:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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    Licensing guaranties mediocrity.

    care to explain that off the wall statement??

    licensing protects the consumer....insuring that said
    licensee has completed sucessfully an accredited program

    ie did not get their "degree" mailorder or from a matchbook
    cover...(it happens)...

    hawki.....

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    Subject: Re: Naturopathic Licensure From: "mdd"
    [email hidden] Date: 4/5/2004 5:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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    Licensing guaranties mediocrity.

    care to explain that off the wall statement??


    If you do not see it, I cannot help you with your blindness.

  5. "Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Subject: Re: Naturopathic Licensure From: "mdd"
    [email hidden] Date: 4/5/2004 5:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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    Licensing guaranties mediocrity.

    care to explain that off the wall statement??

    licensing protects the consumer....insuring that said
    licensee has


    completed

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    sucessfully an accredited program

    ie did not get their "degree" mailorder or from a
    matchbook cover...(it happens)...

    Ask Not-a-real-doctor Hulda Clark

  6. "Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Subject: Re: Naturopathic Licensure From: "mdd"
    [email hidden] Date: 4/5/2004 9:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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    Licensing guaranties mediocrity.
    >

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    If you do not see it, I cannot help you with your
    blindness.

    I do not see it....

    what I do see is that perhaps you are one of those many
    calling themselves "doctor"...when they have a mailorder
    degree...thus you are threatened by


    these

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    regs that require you to submit proof of accredited
    educational


    preparation..

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    hawki.....


    Please pay close attention now........ I do not call myself
    anything. I do not feel the need to prop up a weak self-
    esteem with titles. I do not feel the need for whining to
    the world about some "unwashed" { non-licensed person
    }getting part of the ever expanding medicine market . I
    trust my own decisions about most things. When I feel the
    need for outside opinion, I try to get as wide a spectrum as
    possible. Licensing puts all on the same level. That level
    must be low enough for a sufficient number to pass, to
    supply expanding need for medical help. If you do not think
    that is a fool-proof formula for mediocrity, please tell
    what might be. In medicine like in most every other thing, I
    have found the "word of mouth" method to work best. If
    someone is good at what they do, word will get around. If
    not, you can depend on the "licensing" system. No
    recommendations needed, just a paper. No thank you.

  7. "Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Subject: Re: Naturopathic Licensure From: "mdd"
    [email hidden] Date: 4/5/2004 2:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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    I do not call myself anything. I do not feel the need to
    prop up a

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    Please pay close attention now........ I do not call
    myself anything. I

    OK...so if you are not one of "them"...what is the
    problem??

    Them? Whats a "them"?

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    I do not feel the need to prop up a weak self-esteem with
    titles.

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    requiring documentation of educational preparation is
    "propping up a weak


    self

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    esteem??""

    In most cases, yes.

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    no no...it is protecting the consumer from charlatans

    NO it is NOT! Many of the "charlitans" have "licensure".

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    Licensing puts all on the same level. That level must be
    low enough for a sufficient number to pass, to supply
    expanding need for medical help. If


    you

    Quoted message said:
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    do not think that is a fool-proof formula for mediocrity,
    please tell


    what

    Quoted message said:
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    licensing protects the consumer from charlatans...and
    uneducated imbeciles


    that

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    tack on letters after their name to boost THEIR self
    esteem


    Um, I see many "educated" imbeciles with letters tacked to
    their name. AND they will proudly show them to you.

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    you may well be intelligent enough to sort the wheat from
    the chaff...unfortunately many cannot


    And so they become the prey of the licenced charlatans

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    thus licensing comes in

    BTW...how do you figure "levels must be low enough??"

    what licensure does . is to require ALL to have a specific
    number of courses,,credits..experience or whatever to
    demonstrate that they at LEAST


    have

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    been educated to the "level" required for minimal
    competency..


    Three very important words, "LEAST" and "minimal competency"

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    without licensure the Hulda Clarks of the world would
    proliferate

    I think that if you look around, they do. So?

    Quoted message said:


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    , I have found the "word of mouth" method to work best.
    If someone is good at what they do, word will get around.

    so.....you think "word of mouth" suffices when choosing a
    surgeon to do


    your

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    kid's liver transplant??

    I think that talking with the people that said surgeon has
    worked on, might be a very good idea, yes.

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    No recommendations needed, just a paper. No thank you.

    a. the paper comes first


    For you perhaps.

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    b. then get "word of mouth" recommendations

    it's your choice...


    At last, something we can agree on.

    Quoted message said:

    hawki.....

  8. In article said:


    "Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040405115817.11965.00000740@mb-
    m06.aol.com...

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    Subject: Re: Naturopathic Licensure From: "mdd"
    [email hidden] Date: 4/5/2004 5:57 AM Pacific Daylight
    Time Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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    Licensing guaranties mediocrity.

    care to explain that off the wall statement??


    If you do not see it, I cannot help you with your
    blindness.

    Translation: no, he can't explain it.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
    opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
    have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
    standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  9. "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    In article <[email hidden]>, mdd

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    "Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040405115817.11965.00000740@mb-
    m06.aol.com...

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    >Subject: Re: Naturopathic Licensure From: "mdd"
    >[email hidden] Date: 4/5/2004 5:57 AM Pacific Daylight
    >Time Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    >Licensing guaranties mediocrity.

    care to explain that off the wall statement??


    If you do not see it, I cannot help you with your
    blindness.

    Translation: no, he can't explain it.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
    opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
    have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)


    Detailed Glaring explanation...................... David
    Wright and friends.

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    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    In article <[email hidden]>, mdd

    Quoted message said:


    "Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040405115817.11965.00000740@mb-
    m06.aol.com...
    > >Subject: Re: Naturopathic Licensure From: "mdd"
    > >[email hidden] Date: 4/5/2004 5:57 AM Pacific Daylight
    > >Time Message-id: <[email hidden]>
    >
    > >Licensing guaranties mediocrity.
    >
    > care to explain that off the wall statement??
    If you do not see it, I cannot help you with your
    blindness.

    Translation: no, he can't explain it.


    Detailed Glaring explanation...................... David
    Wright and friends.

    Medtools, you get nuttier all the time. Your response makes
    no sense at all. Too much urine drinking, no doubt.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
    opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
    have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
    standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  11. "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    In article <[email hidden]>, mdd

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    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    In article <[email hidden]>, mdd
    <[email hidden]>


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    >"Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040405115817.11965.00000740@mb-
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    >> >Subject: Re: Naturopathic Licensure From: "mdd"
    >> >[email hidden] Date: 4/5/2004 5:57 AM Pacific
    >> >Daylight Time Message-id:
    >> ><[email hidden]>
    >>
    >> >Licensing guaranties mediocrity.
    >>
    >> care to explain that off the wall statement??
    >If you do not see it, I cannot help you with your
    >blindness.

    Translation: no, he can't explain it.


    Detailed Glaring explanation...................... David
    Wright and


    friends.

    Quoted message said:


    Medtools, you get nuttier all the time. Your response
    makes no sense at all. Too much urine drinking, no doubt.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
    opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
    have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)


    Understanding that it may be hard for you to be objective
    about this, but you are mediocre. You do not stand out from
    the crowd. You are not the best, you are dull and gray. You
    are one of the mediocre licensed. You like to think that you
    think. You do not think, you memorize others thinking and
    then spout off about it. As to my urine, I would not waste
    it by urinating on you if you were in flames.

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    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    In article <[email hidden]>, mdd

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    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    > <[email hidden]>


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    > >
    > >"Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040405115817.11965.00000740@mb-
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    > >> >Subject: Re: Naturopathic Licensure From: "mdd"
    > >> >[email hidden] Date: 4/5/2004 5:57 AM Pacific
    > >> >Daylight Time Message-id:
    > >> ><[email hidden]>
    > >>
    > >> >Licensing guaranties mediocrity.
    > >>
    > >> care to explain that off the wall statement??
    > >If you do not see it, I cannot help you with your
    > >blindness.
    >
    > Translation: no, he can't explain it.
    >
    Detailed Glaring explanation...................... David
    Wright and


    friends.

    Quoted message said:


    Medtools, you get nuttier all the time. Your response
    makes no sense at all. Too much urine drinking, no doubt.


    Understanding that it may be hard for you to be objective
    about this, but you are mediocre. You do not stand out from
    the crowd. You are not the best, you are dull and gray. You
    are one of the mediocre licensed.

    What sort of license is it you're claiming I hold?

    Quoted message said:

    You like to think that you think. You do not think, you
    memorize others thinking and then spout off about it.

    I think that it's good that most of my postings, unlike
    yours, do not consist of idiotic one-line replies.

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    As to my urine, I would not waste it by urinating on you if
    you were in flames.

    I realize you think it's very valuable.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
    opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
    have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
    standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  13. "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    In article <[email hidden]>, mdd

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    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    In article <[email hidden]>, mdd
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    >> >
    >> >"Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040405115817.11965.00000740@mb-
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    >> >> >Subject: Re: Naturopathic Licensure From: "mdd"
    >> >> >[email hidden] Date: 4/5/2004 5:57 AM Pacific
    >> >> >Daylight Time Message-id:
    >> >> ><[email hidden]>
    >> >>
    >> >> >Licensing guaranties mediocrity.
    >> >>
    >> >> care to explain that off the wall statement??
    >> >If you do not see it, I cannot help you with your
    >> >blindness.
    >>
    >> Translation: no, he can't explain it.
    >>
    >Detailed Glaring explanation......................
    >David Wright and


    friends.

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    > >>


    Understanding that it may be hard for you to be objective
    about this, but you are mediocre. You do not stand out
    from the crowd. You are not the


    best,

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    you are dull and gray. You are one of the mediocre
    licensed.

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    You like to think that you think. You do not think, you
    memorize others thinking and then spout off about it.

    Quoted message said:


    As to my urine, I would not waste it by urinating on you
    if you were in flames.

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