Nausea - Lifting

"Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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Don't EVER give advice like this without some sort of qualifier,
please. Most people should pressurize their midsection and hold their
breath while lifting a heavy weight. A slow, pressurized exhale
while lifting is also OK - both breath holding and a slow hiss of air
exhaling serve the keep intra-abdominal pressure high. Inhaling
while lifting? What kinds of weights allow you to do that? The
closest thing I can think of is inhaling while lowering during the
first part of a squat or bench, but then you'd hold or exhale as you
pushed the weight back up.

Steve, do you think its beneficial for people to hold their breath
while doing sets of 5-6?

No. One holds one's breath during the exhertion, and takes a fresh
breath before the next rep.

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I do this every now and then on several basic movements.
The time under tension is aprox. 10-12 seconds.

I almost never lift quickly so I can't say. 10-12 seconds might be one
rep for me for something like the clean and press or the deadlift.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

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Pete

Thanks Pete, Steve, Om, everybody. I refrained from holding my breath
on my workout yesterday and I experienced no nausea. I will have to
experiment some more before I am certain this has fixed the problem but
it does seem to be helping.

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Be Like Mike said:

Thanks Pete, Steve, Om, everybody. I refrained from holding my breath
on my workout yesterday and I experienced no nausea. I will have to
experiment some more before I am certain this has fixed the problem but
it does seem to be helping.

Good luck sir! :-)
--
Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]"
-- Jack Nicholson

"Be Like Mike" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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Thanks Pete, Steve, Om, everybody. I refrained from holding my breath
on my workout yesterday and I experienced no nausea. I will have to
experiment some more before I am certain this has fixed the problem but
it does seem to be helping.

And there are people that claim that this NG has no value in society...

The man came to this NG, and "we" fixed his problem. He is happy, we are
happy, everybody is happy.
It almost brings a tear to my eye...

----
Pete

"Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> schreef:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Steve, do you think its beneficial for people to hold their breath while
doing sets of 5-6?

Quoted message said:

No. One holds one's breath during the exhertion, and takes a fresh breath
before the next rep.

Thought so...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I do this every now and then on several basic movements.
The time under tension is aprox. 10-12 seconds.

Quoted message said:

I almost never lift quickly so I can't say. 10-12 seconds might be one
rep for me for something like the clean and press or the deadlift.

Weird...
10-12 seconds for 1 repetition? I try to go as fast as possible, but never
so fast that i lose control or use momentum.
When i do 8 reps, with aprox. 80% of 1 RM, the speed of a single rep is a
litlle faster then when i do 5-6 reps, usually with 85% (which is the
highest i go) but avarage speed is 1/1 on most exercises.

I assumed, because you trained for strength, you would move faster.
According to some people, slow reps are better for building mass then for
strength, and i think i know for a fact that you are intersted in strength,
not mass.

----
Pete

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Pete said:

"Be Like Mike" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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Thanks Pete, Steve, Om, everybody. I refrained from holding my breath
on my workout yesterday and I experienced no nausea. I will have to
experiment some more before I am certain this has fixed the problem but
it does seem to be helping.

And there are people that claim that this NG has no value in society...

The man came to this NG, and "we" fixed his problem. He is happy, we are
happy, everybody is happy.
It almost brings a tear to my eye...

----
Pete

And the discussion on breath holding was elightening to me. ;-)
Might help me with my squats.

As long as I don't pass out. <G>
--
Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]"
-- Jack Nicholson

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Pete said:

"Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> schreef:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Steve, do you think its beneficial for people to hold their breath while
doing sets of 5-6?

Quoted message said:

No. One holds one's breath during the exhertion, and takes a fresh breath
before the next rep.

Thought so...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I do this every now and then on several basic movements.
The time under tension is aprox. 10-12 seconds.

Quoted message said:

I almost never lift quickly so I can't say. 10-12 seconds might be one
rep for me for something like the clean and press or the deadlift.

Weird...
10-12 seconds for 1 repetition? I try to go as fast as possible, but never
so fast that i lose control or use momentum.
When i do 8 reps, with aprox. 80% of 1 RM, the speed of a single rep is a
litlle faster then when i do 5-6 reps, usually with 85% (which is the
highest i go) but avarage speed is 1/1 on most exercises.

I assumed, because you trained for strength, you would move faster.
According to some people, slow reps are better for building mass then for
strength, and i think i know for a fact that you are intersted in strength,
not mass.

----
Pete

What do you think of forced eccentrics?
--
Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]"
-- Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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Quoted message said:

I assumed, because you trained for strength, you would move faster.
According to some people, slow reps are better for building mass then for
strength, and i think i know for a fact that you are intersted in
strength,
not mass.

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What do you think of forced eccentrics?

I assume you mean "negatives"?
To tell you the truth i havent done them much. I know several guys who do
them regularly, but most of them complain that the muscles feel overtrained
after a few weeks. I also have strong suspiciouns that if you get stronger
at the eccentric part of the rep, that it will not nesecarilly mean that the
increased strength-of the negative phase-will transfer to the positive part
of the rep. IOW, you WILL get stronger, but only at that phase of the rep.

The weird thing about powerlifting and bodybuilding is that a lot of people
seem to be confused about what works and what doesnt. Many people *accused*
me that i train more like a powerlifter then a bodybuilder.
I always pay attention to the eccentric phase, but if the weight is to heavy
to move concentric, the weight is just to heavy.

But that is just a personal philosophy...

----
Pete

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Pete said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> schreef:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I assumed, because you trained for strength, you would move faster.
According to some people, slow reps are better for building mass then for
strength, and i think i know for a fact that you are intersted in
strength,
not mass.

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What do you think of forced eccentrics?

I assume you mean "negatives"?

Pretty much.
I like to do them occasionally for arms but I never do them on a regular
basis. Gives me a hell of a bicep and tricep pump. ;-) Feels like my
heart is beating inside of the muscles.

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To tell you the truth i havent done them much. I know several guys who do
them regularly, but most of them complain that the muscles feel overtrained
after a few weeks.

IMHO it's silly to do them every workout.

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I also have strong suspiciouns that if you get stronger
at the eccentric part of the rep, that it will not nesecarilly mean that the
increased strength-of the negative phase-will transfer to the positive part
of the rep. IOW, you WILL get stronger, but only at that phase of the rep.

Oh I dunno... I've read some stuff on that. I understand that the
negatives can activate more muscle fibers.

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The weird thing about powerlifting and bodybuilding is that a lot of people
seem to be confused about what works and what doesnt. Many people *accused*
me that i train more like a powerlifter then a bodybuilder.

<shrugs> I think it can go both ways.
And since genetics are always going to play a part (just like in
dieting), one has to find what works best for them! There is this one
big dude at the gym with a german accent that gets on me for training
heavy. He says that I should lift lighter and do 30 or 40 reps per set
and do, like, 10 sets per lift.

Sorry! I don't have that kind of time....... :-P And the 8 to 12 rep
range at 4 to 5 sets works well for me.

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I always pay attention to the eccentric phase, but if the weight is to heavy
to move concentric, the weight is just to heavy.

Well, the idea I think is to max out on the concentric, then use your
partner to help you move the weight back up and do 5 to 8 sllloooowwww
eccentrics.

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But that is just a personal philosophy...

----
Pete

It's all good. ;-)

Lift heavy things.
Put them down.
Repeat.......
--
Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]"
-- Jack Nicholson

Pete said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> schreef:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I assumed, because you trained for strength, you would move faster.
According to some people, slow reps are better for building mass then for
strength, and i think i know for a fact that you are intersted in
strength,
not mass.

Quoted message said:

What do you think of forced eccentrics?

I assume you mean "negatives"?
To tell you the truth i havent done them much. I know several guys who do
them regularly, but most of them complain that the muscles feel overtrained
after a few weeks. I also have strong suspiciouns that if you get stronger
at the eccentric part of the rep, that it will not nesecarilly mean that the
increased strength-of the negative phase-will transfer to the positive part
of the rep. IOW, you WILL get stronger, but only at that phase of the rep.

Somewhere in between. Eccentric work will increase concentric
strength, but not nearly as much as it will increase eccentric
strength.

Hypertrophy is another matter. Eccentric work will improve
hypertrophy much more than concentric work. High speed eccentric will
improve hypertrophy more than slow eccentric. That much is shown by
the studies. Why? My guess is because there is more stress on the
myofibrils, resulting in more mechanotransductive signaling. But that
has its cost in longer recovery times and higher risk of damage to
connective tissues.

Occasional use of "negatives" or forced eccentrics has its value,
particularly to jump-start muscle bulking, but it isn't something you
want to do on a very regular basis.

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JMW said:

Pete said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> schreef:

Quoted message said:

> I assumed, because you trained for strength, you would move faster.
> According to some people, slow reps are better for building mass then for
> strength, and i think i know for a fact that you are intersted in
> strength,
> not mass.

Quoted message said:

What do you think of forced eccentrics?

I assume you mean "negatives"?
To tell you the truth i havent done them much. I know several guys who do
them regularly, but most of them complain that the muscles feel overtrained
after a few weeks. I also have strong suspiciouns that if you get stronger
at the eccentric part of the rep, that it will not nesecarilly mean that the
increased strength-of the negative phase-will transfer to the positive part
of the rep. IOW, you WILL get stronger, but only at that phase of the rep.

Somewhere in between. Eccentric work will increase concentric
strength, but not nearly as much as it will increase eccentric
strength.

Hypertrophy is another matter. Eccentric work will improve
hypertrophy much more than concentric work. High speed eccentric will
improve hypertrophy more than slow eccentric. That much is shown by
the studies. Why? My guess is because there is more stress on the
myofibrils, resulting in more mechanotransductive signaling. But that
has its cost in longer recovery times and higher risk of damage to
connective tissues.

Occasional use of "negatives" or forced eccentrics has its value,
particularly to jump-start muscle bulking, but it isn't something you
want to do on a very regular basis.

:-)
--
Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]"
-- Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

Steve Freides said:

I almost never lift quickly so I can't say. 10-12 seconds might be one
rep for me for something like the clean and press or the deadlift.

When did you convert to SuperSlow?

Seth
--
Who cares? Shut up and lift. -- Watson (the pencil neck) Davis

"Seth Breidbart" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,

Steve Freides said:

I almost never lift quickly so I can't say. 10-12 seconds might be
one
rep for me for something like the clean and press or the deadlift.

When did you convert to SuperSlow?

I didn't. That's how long a deadlift takes me - I don't do much light
lifting and I don't go for speed. And for the deadlift, the setup takes
a while as well - a slow inhale to pressurize, a slow descent to the
bar, and then I spend at least a couple of seconds at lockout before I
put the bar down. All in all, I can't do them faster than about 4 or 5
reps per minute because I stand up and reset after each rep.

Likewise, a clean before each press makes it a longer lift.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

Be Like Mike said:

Hello all, first post here.

I am 36, most of my excercise is comprised of biking 70-100 miles/week
and running 8-12 miles/week. I have been trying to mix in some light
lifting to keep my upper body strength but I have been experienced
bouts of nausea when lifting. I never get it when I run or bike. What
could I be doing wrong?

The 3 things that make me feel like [censored] when I lift are.

1) Low blood sugar. You have to have eaten recently. I try to eat a
banana an hour before.

2) Dehydrated. Load up hours before.

3) Not breathing right. Breath at each rep and take a longer break
between sets.