"John Morgan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:o_UWb.63486$F15.61017@fed1read06...
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Has anyone here actually got the XTR dual control shifters? What
did you
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think of them after having used them for (by now) a while?
I have them on my s-works. Coming from a strong background in SRAM gripshifts here. The first ride with them I found myself shifting only when I had to. Second ride I was more comfortable shifting. After the third ride I didn't need to think about it anymore. They work great, I have no complaints... except for the cost. Functionally they are magnificent in every way for XC riding.
-John Morgan
I have a hard time shifting them to a larger cassette cog 'cause when I'm in a steep climb and having to navigate obstacles, I like to keep a tight grip on the handlebar for better control of the bike. I'm not saying they are bad only that I've had a very hard time with 'em being used to rapid-fire.
Dave
Have you adjusted the lever to come close enough to the bar. Default they're set up for somebody with giant hands. I moved mine in almost 15 mm and that made them real comfortable. Now when I'm climbing with a tight grip I just need to flip a couple of fingers straight out and back. This will hit the lever with the back of my hand and shift down as soon as I finish the shift by turning the cranks.
Have you adjusted the lever to come close enough to the bar. Default they're set up for somebody with giant hands. I moved mine in almost 15 mm and that made them real comfortable. Now when I'm climbing with a tight grip I just need to flip a couple of fingers straight out and back. This will hit the lever with the back of my hand and shift down as soon as I finish the shift by turning the cranks.
Have you adjusted the lever to come close enough to the bar. Default they're set up for somebody with giant hands. I moved mine in almost 15 mm and that made them real comfortable. Now when I'm climbing with a tight grip I just need to flip a couple of fingers straight out and back. This will hit the lever with the back of my hand and shift down as soon as I finish the shift by turning the cranks.
no, they're floppy [censored].
You keep saying that. How about pointing out to the rest of us why you think so.
"Per Elmsäter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
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gazzer said:
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Have you adjusted the lever to come close enough to the bar. Default they're set up for somebody with giant hands. I moved mine in almost 15 mm and that made them real comfortable. Now when I'm climbing with a tight grip I just need to flip a couple of fingers straight out and back. This will hit the lever with the back of my hand and shift down as soon as I finish the shift by turning the cranks.
no, they're floppy [censored].
You keep saying that. How about pointing out to the rest of us why you think so.
Functionally they are in no way better than seperate levers and shifters, plus you have to use crappy shimano disc brakes, wherein of course lies their true purpose. The funny thing is hearing all the endless nitpicky techiques of how to use the crappy things. I'm sure you could learn to shift gear using a seat mounted rod stuck in your ass if you had to, but with a perfect sysyetm already existing it would be pointless. Good design is intuitive. These things are technogoical doodling.
"Per Elmsäter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
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> Have you adjusted the lever to come close enough to the bar. Default they're set up for > somebody with giant hands. I moved mine in almost 15 mm and that made them real comfortable. > Now when I'm climbing with a tight grip I just need to flip a couple of fingers straight out > and back. This will hit the lever with the back of my hand and shift down as soon as I finish > the shift by turning the cranks.
no, they're floppy [censored].
You keep saying that. How about pointing out to the rest of us why you think so.
Functionally they are in no way better than seperate levers and shifters, plus you have to use crappy shimano disc brakes, wherein of course lies their true purpose.
Why is that? I don't see why I couldn't exchange the caliper and discs to Hayes or whaterver.
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The funny thing is hearing all the endless nitpicky techiques of how to use the crappy things. I'm sure you could learn to shift gear using a seat mounted rod stuck in your ass if you had to, but with a perfect sysyetm already existing it would be pointless. Good design is intuitive. These things are technogoical doodling.
Yes it's intuitive. How do you think I managed in the first place. When I go uphill I pull my shifters up. When I go downhill I push my shifters down. How much simpler than that can it get?
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Just my opinion of course.
Probably worth about as much as mine, which doesn't say a lot of course 😉
"Per Elmsäter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<qqN1c.51218
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Yes it's intuitive. How do you think I managed in the first place. When I go uphill I pull my shifters up. When I go downhill I push my shifters down. How much simpler than that can it get?
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Just my opinion of course.
Probably worth about as much as mine, which doesn't say a lot of course 😉
you just like them because it makes you feel like a roadie.
"Per Elmsäter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<qqN1c.51218
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Yes it's intuitive. How do you think I managed in the first place. When I go uphill I pull my shifters up. When I go downhill I push my shifters down. How much simpler than that can it get?
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Just my opinion of course.
Probably worth about as much as mine, which doesn't say a lot of course 😉
you just like them because it makes you feel like a roadie.
g
I already am a roadie. But I agree I am accustomed to STI and dual control has actually taken it one step further. So now Mountain Bikers have better components than roadies 😉
I already am a roadie. But I agree I am accustomed to STI and dual control has actually taken it one step further. So now Mountain Bikers have better components than roadies 😉
What exactly are these "shifter" things to which you refer?
I already am a roadie. But I agree I am accustomed to STI and dual control has actually taken it one step further. So now Mountain Bikers have better components than roadies 😉
What exactly are these "shifter" things to which you refer?
CC
What we have been talking about throughout this whole thread. The XTR dual control shifter/brake lever. -- Perre
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"Per Elmsäter" <[email hidden]> wrote
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I already am a roadie. But I agree I am accustomed to STI and dual control has actually taken it one step further. So now Mountain Bikers have better components than roadies 😉
What exactly are these "shifter" things to which you refer?
CC
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"Per Elmsäter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
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"Per Elmsäter" <[email hidden]> wrote > Corvus Corvax wrote: >> >> What exactly are these "shifter" things to which you >> refer? > > What we have been talking about throughout this whole > thread. The XTR dual control shifter/brake lever.
Ah.
What are they for?
CC
Hell I don't know. But they're expensive and everybody drools when I show up on a ride.
I wouldn't drool over them.
Greg
That's probably why you don't show up on our rides then 😉 -- Perre
Hell I don't know. But they're expensive and everybody drools when I show up on a ride.
Hee. This, of course, is the most important factor in any equipment decision. You must either out-spend or out-retro- grouch the competition. Mediocrity is for losers.
