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  1. I'm headed off to college and Army ROTC at the end of the
    summer, and I need some help getting in shape. I played
    football for four years and lifted a lot, but I haven't
    consistently worked out since the season ended. Also, I
    was always more focused on muscular strength and power
    than muscular/aerobic endurance. I've tried to get a
    running habit started, but it just hasn't caught on. I've
    been able to come up with innumerable excuses not to run
    or not to work out.

    I think that it all boils down to me needing a plan. I think
    that if I have something that I can look at and it says,
    "You have to run today," then I might be able to stick with
    it. I'm just looking for some guidance here, a program to
    increase my performance in the Army Physical Fitness Test
    (APFT). The test consists of maximum repetitions of push-ups
    and sit-ups each in a two minute period, and a timed two-
    mile run. I would also like to get better at doing pull-ups.

    Here's my barrage of questions: -How far should I run? (I do
    2 miles in about 17:45) -How often? -How fast should I be
    trying to run when I do? -How can I improve my pull-ups? (at
    the moment I can only do one) -How can I improve my push-
    ups? (I can do about 25 reps before failing) -How can I
    improve my sit-ups? (I can do about 40 before failing) -
    Should I be lifing weights at all?

    My eventual goals are:
    1. 14:54 2-mile time
    2. 52 push-ups (in two minutes)
    3. 62 sit-ups (in two minutes)
    4. 10 pull-ups (without collapsing in a heap between reps)

    While these goals don't need to be met by the end of the
    summer, the sooner, the better. I have a little less than
    four months before I report to ROTC and I hope to be in
    acceptable shape by then. Please assist me in putting
    together a plan, I'm grateful for your help.

  2. In article said:

    Here's my barrage of questions: -How far should I run? (I
    do 2 miles in about 17:45) -How often?

    How far and how often are you running now ? If you're
    already running, just gradually increase the workload.
    Otherwise one could start with 2 miles 3 times a week and
    then every 3 weeks increase milage slightly:

    1-3: 2,2,2 4-6: 2,2,4 7-9: 3,3,4 10 and after: 3,3,6

    These should be run at an easy pace -- get a heart rate
    monitor if you like. Every third week you should run a hard
    two mile run to check your progress.

    The goal is quite easy as long as you run consistently.

    Quoted message said:

    -How fast should I be trying to run when I do?

    Slow. About 10 minutes per mile at the moment (with the
    exception of a time trial every 3 weeks). If you try to run
    fast all the time, you increase risk of injury. As long as
    you don't get injured, you should make goal.

    Quoted message said:

    -How can I improve my pull-ups? (at the moment I can
    only do one)

    I'm not sure how you're doing them, but if you're doing them
    palms-out, you could do the easier palms-in variation. If
    you're overweight, losing some body fat will also help.

    If you can only do one, it's probably a good idea to try
    some "hangs" (just hold onto the top position for as long
    as you can)

    Suggested workout: timed hangs (3x1). These are hard, so do
    them last.

    Quoted message said:

    -How can I improve my push-ups? (I can do about 25 reps
    before failing)

    Practice. Three times a week. Bench pressing might help.

    I'd suggest having a workout where you do both pushups and
    pullups, and do the workout three times a week. Replace one
    of the pushups sessions with bench pressing if you like.
    Don't go to failure on each set, but test yourself every
    now and then.

    Suggested pushups workout:

    5 sets of 10.

    First set should be easy. If you can get all 5, increase to
    5x11, etc.

    Quoted message said:

    -How can I improve my sit-ups? (I can do about 40 before
    failing)

    Much like pushups.

    Quoted message said:

    -Should I be lifing weights at all?

    Substitute one of your weekly pullups sessions for 3 sets of
    10 on the pulldown machine with the same grip that you use
    for pullups if you like. The higher number of reps is
    probably better for strength development.

    Quoted message said:

    4. 10 pull-ups (without collapsing in a heap between reps)

    This is probably the hardest of your goals. You may need to
    lose some weight to accomplish it.

    Cheers,
    --
    Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflord

  3. Exercise your mind first. Once yor mind is in shape, it will
    understand that jogging is pointless. This realization will
    save you loads of sore muscles and injury. Good luck.

  4. "Gordon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm headed off to college and Army ROTC at the end of the
    summer, and I need some help getting in shape. I played
    football for four years and lifted a lot, but I haven't
    consistently worked out since the season ended. Also, I
    was always more focused on muscular strength and power
    than muscular/aerobic endurance. I've tried to get a
    running habit started, but it just hasn't caught on. I've
    been able to come up with innumerable excuses not to run
    or not to work out.

    I think that it all boils down to me needing a plan. I
    think that if I have something that I can look at and it
    says, "You have to run today," then I might be able to
    stick with it. I'm just looking for some guidance here, a
    program to increase my performance in the Army Physical
    Fitness Test (APFT). The test consists of maximum
    repetitions of push-ups and sit-ups each in a two minute
    period, and a timed two-mile run. I would also like to get
    better at doing pull-ups.

    Here's my barrage of questions: -How far should I run? (I
    do 2 miles in about 17:45) -How often? -How fast should I
    be trying to run when I do? -How can I improve my pull-
    ups? (at the moment I can only do one) -How can I improve
    my push-ups? (I can do about 25 reps before failing) -How
    can I improve my sit-ups? (I can do about 40 before
    failing) -Should I be lifing weights at all?

    My eventual goals are:
    1. 14:54 2-mile time
    2. 52 push-ups (in two minutes)
    3. 62 sit-ups (in two minutes)
    4. 10 pull-ups (without collapsing in a heap between reps)

    While these goals don't need to be met by the end of the
    summer, the sooner, the better. I have a little less than
    four months before I report to ROTC and I hope to be in
    acceptable shape by then. Please assist me in putting
    together a plan, I'm grateful for your help.

    A few web sites for you to look at:

    militaryfitness.orgmilitaryfitness.org

    crossfit.comcrossfit.com

    You might also poke around in the articles section at
    dragondoor.comdragondoor.com - lots of stuff there related to
    fitness for soldiers.

    -S- kbnj.comkbnj.com

  5. [email hidden] (Gordon) wrote in message
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    ... --snip--

    Quoted message said:

    My eventual goals are:
    1. 14:54 2-mile time
    2. 52 push-ups (in two minutes)
    3. 62 sit-ups (in two minutes)
    4. 10 pull-ups (without collapsing in a heap between reps)

    While these goals don't need to be met by the end of the
    summer, the sooner, the better. I have a little less than
    four months before I report to ROTC and I hope to be in
    acceptable shape by then. Please assist me in putting
    together a plan, I'm grateful for your help.

    Gordo here something that might help!

    runners4bush2004.rantweb.comseal2.htm

    Its a program to get guys ready to go to Navy Seal Training.
    I'll see if I can dig up the run + swim schedule. It starts
    of slow but gets you going pretty quick.

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  6. On 4 May 2004 21:39:19 -0700, [email hidden] (Gordon)

    Quoted message said:

    I'm headed off to college and Army ROTC

    What's ROTC?

    Quoted message said:

    I've been able to come up with innumerable excuses not to
    run or not to work out.

    Which unit? Corps? Line infantry or something better?

    Do you work?

    I used to be a roofer. I'd wake up at 05:00HRS and get out
    and run a loop that was 1/2 a mile away. The loop itself was
    2 miles in distance. I'd never really wake up until I'd gone
    halfway and then, of course, it's too late and I'd have to
    continue running to get back! If I'd done well and had time,
    I had the option of doing an additional 2 miles by just
    running another circuit.

    Get it over and done with. Less traffic and fewer
    pedestrians in the way. Cooler in Summer and, in Winter, I
    tend to run faster at night anyway. Worked for me.

    I'd suggest an *absolute* minimum of 3 miles - you won't
    ever run less in any decent unit and anything less isn't
    going to do you much good unless you're completely unfit.
    Most of it's in the mind.

    If it's a problem, use a watch and stopwatch. Take short
    breaks but keep the running pace respectable. Rest for no
    longer than 1 minute. (Use the watch to monitor the break
    whilst the stopwatch is stopped) Note how many breaks you
    took and on the next run, try and reduce it by at least
    one break.

    I'd run Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday. Tuesday = 3 miler in
    go-fast; Thursday = 5/7 miler in go-fast or boots; Sunday =
    cross country weighted (37lbs) run and in boots. Upper body
    training on Wednesday, Friday and Saturday. If weights do 15
    reps per set for "working strength". Body building will just
    add weight which you'll have to carry around with you in
    addition to your kit.

    Just stick with 3 milers for the runs, or a fartlek 2
    miler, say.

    Quoted message said:

    I think that it all boils down to me needing a plan.

    Don't think too much about it - just do. Note your times and
    numbers in a diary/notebook. Take it gradually in the first
    fortnight then start to push yourself proper.

    Listen to aggressive or fast pace music during your warm-up
    session (indoors, perhaps). *Do* warm up and down before and
    after a session. Vitally important.

    Quoted message said:

    I think that if I have something that I can look at and
    it says, "You have to run today," then I might be able
    to stick with it. I'm just looking for some guidance
    here, a program to increase my performance in the Army
    Physical Fitness Test (APFT). The test consists of
    maximum repetitions of push-ups and sit-ups each in a
    two minute period,

    Whatever you do by yourself will always improve during the
    tests. I surprised myself by doing more than *twice* so many
    sit-ups as I did in self training.

    Quoted message said:

    and a timed two-mile run.

    ? Is ROTC some sort of *taster* thing? The first running
    test was a
    1.5 mile jog as a group then an individual effort of 1.5
    miles in 10.5 minutes. In go-fast.

    Quoted message said:

    I would also like to get better at doing pull-ups.

    That's a hard one. Argos do a pull-up bar that you can fit
    (and easily remove) from a door frame. All you can do is
    your best effort. Progress won't be so easy to notice,
    compared to the other free-weight exercises. 🙁

    Quoted message said:

    Here's my barrage of questions: -How far should I run? (I
    do 2 miles in about 17:45)


    3 miles

    Quoted message said:

    -How often?


    3x a week

    Quoted message said:

    -How fast should I be trying to run when I do?

    I'm a 1980s soldier wearing a different coloured beret to
    the rest. For us, it was 7 min per mile in boots (road run).
    It cannot be anything more than 8 min per mile in go-fast
    elsewhere. Weighted run (37lbs + rifle) was 10 minute miles.

    At school before I started training, I used to cheat
    during cross country and *still* come in last! I'd clock
    an appalling 30+ minutes on a 2.5 miler! Don't be put
    off, you'll get to where you want to be if you really
    want to be there.

    Ever heard of "Fartlek" training? Run 1 min, sprint 1
    min, jog 1/2
    min. It's supposed to be done on hills/slopes but even
    without, it really helps!

    I'm 39 now but I still train - force of habit. I'm in for a
    beasting session tommorrow after my 3 mile cross country:
    150 metre sprint; run back; down 20 press-ups; 150 jog;
    then all over again with the exercises being 20 sit-ups, 20
    star-jumps and 20 burpees. It's punishing but it doesn't
    half improve my times and reps in normal sessions. Not a
    timed event, just an event to push yourself through hard.
    Not for yet.

    Quoted message said:

    -How can I improve my pull-ups? (at the moment I can
    only do one)


    Just do pull-ups. 🙁

    Quoted message said:

    -How can I improve my push-ups? (I can do about 25 reps
    before failing)

    3 sets of as-many-as-possible reps every other day.
    (3x a week)

    Quoted message said:

    -How can I improve my sit-ups? (I can do about 40
    before failing)


    Same.

    Quoted message said:

    -Should I be lifing weights at all?


    Not for now. Hit your goals first.

    Quoted message said:

    My eventual goals are:
    1. 14:54 2-mile time


    Why "14:54"?

    Quoted message said:

    2. 52 push-ups (in two minutes)
    3. 62 sit-ups (in two minutes)
    4. 10 pull-ups (without collapsing in a heap between reps)

    I don't know your weight of physique. You should be well
    able to attain these goals *provided* that you don't break
    the training regime.

    Quoted message said:

    While these goals don't need to be met by the end of the
    summer, the sooner, the better.

    Agreed.

    Quoted message said:

    I have a little less than four months before I report to
    ROTC and I hope to be in acceptable shape by then. Please
    assist me in putting together a plan, I'm grateful for
    your help.

    What regiment/corps?

  7. In rec.running '\'Mad\' Mick McGinty said:

    On 4 May 2004 21:39:19 -0700, [email hidden]

    (Gordon) said:

    I'm headed off to college and Army ROTC

    What's ROTC?

    Reserve Officer Training Corps i believe. a college program
    whereby you get money/tuition assistance in exchange for
    military service and a commission as second lieutenant upon
    graduation/completion of boot camp.

    at least thats what it used to be...

    🙂

  8. "\"Mad\" Mick McGinty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    On 4 May 2004 21:39:19 -0700, [email hidden]
    (Gordon) wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    What's ROTC?

    Reserve Officer Training Corps. You take military science
    classes and train while in college and you are commissioned
    a second lieutenant after graduation.

    Quoted message said:

    Which unit? Corps? Line infantry or something better?

    I don't know yet. Depends on where the Army needs and want
    officers and what I develop an interest in.

    Quoted message said:

    Do you work?

    I'm still in high school right now, graduating in
    about a month.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    My eventual goals are:
    1. 14:54 2-mile time


    Why "14:54"?

    Your APFT score is based on percentiles, and 14:54 is the
    70th percentile for 17-21 year-old males in a two-mile run.

    Quoted message said:

    I don't know your weight of physique. You should be well
    able to attain these goals *provided* that you don't break
    the training regime.

    I look like I'm in better shape than I'm really in, not that
    it does me any good. I am 5'11 190lbs and could stand to
    lose a few pounds.

  9. On 6 May 2004 22:29:12 -0700, [email hidden] (Gordon)

    Quoted message said:

    "\"Mad\" Mick McGinty" <[email hidden] wrote
    in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    On 4 May 2004 21:39:19 -0700, [email hidden]
    (Gordon) wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    My eventual goals are:
    1. 14:54 2-mile time


    Why "14:54"?

    Your APFT score is based on percentiles, and 14:54 is the
    70th percentile for 17-21 year-old males in a two-mile run.

    Sounds over-complicated to me. A time is set and everyone
    has to complete in the time. Aim for the fastest time you
    can achieve - no fuss or frills, just simple and realistic.

    BTW, we're talking 14 minutes and 54 seconds?

    Any links to explain this percentile "rocket science"?
    Sounds like someone in the MoD's got a little over-keen! In
    all fairness, anything that helps achieve an objective
    easier/quicker is worth considering.

    Do they still have the "bleep test"? I use to hate that
    [censored]. I can't run fast but I can plod at a decent speed for
    *hours* with weighted kit. That's the *job* but the tests
    I've so far encountered (other than actually doing it) don't
    take this into consideration. 🙁

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I don't know your weight of physique. You should be well
    able to attain these goals *provided* that you don't
    break the training regime.

    I look like I'm in better shape than I'm really in, not
    that it does me any good. I am 5'11 190lbs and could stand
    to lose a few pounds.

    What do you eat?

    Food = fuel. "Junk in, junk out".

    You *might* want to top up on protein and carbohydrate.
    Protein for the upper body exercises and carbo for running,
    mainly. You want a slow, consistent release of energy for
    running. Potatoes, bread and pasta are good to eat the night
    before. Chicken and fish for meat.

    Avoid fatty foods - I find that they slow down everything.
    Your organs work harder to process the muck. Personally, I
    grill (never fry) and roll squeeze as much fat out of
    sausages and bacon. Fried eggs are "dried" on kitchen paper.
    Olive oil's ideal for frying but marg will
    do. I rarely use marg/butter on bread but it's up to you how
    you reduce.

    Obviously, don't over-eat.

    If you take any of those supposed "fitness" drinks, stop
    wasting your money - they're unsuitable for *genuine*
    fitness training and a total rip-off. Have a social beer the
    night before, perhaps (and *also* drink plenty of water so
    that you don't dehydrate). Just drink copious amounts of
    water before the run. And copious amounts after.

    Some people run with a small bottle of water. I never do (in
    gofast) because I know that I sweat at a general rate of 1
    pint per mile. If I drank enough water before the run, my
    mouth might feel dry but my body will be fine. If desperate,
    note the pubs near the route. You might want to carry water,
    initially (and definitely during weighted runs later).

    Bear in mind that the fitter and healthier you are, the more
    you'll sweat during activity.

    Cod liver oil capsules - good for the joints (I need to take
    these in future, believe me!)

    Running kit: don't bother with the posey [censored] stuff. Shorts
    that aren't too tight, tee shirts. Use a few, you'll be
    getting them wet and sweaty fast and regularly. Go to the
    charity shop.

    Check this guy out:

    runners4bush2004.rantweb.comabout.htm

    EGO WARNING: He may look seriously unfashionable but
    it seems to work for him. If for real, these are
    *serious* runs.

    I'd wear smaller shorts but it's personal preference. The
    women always eye me up when I'm running so I *should* dress
    to impress (but don't!).

    If you run first thing in the morning and fast, no-one
    will notice what you wear. It's a matter of personal
    opinion, but you have to decide what works out best during
    your early runs: 1) running when there's no-one about so
    that no-one sees you suffer, or; 2) running when people
    *are* about, meaning that you have to push yourself and
    look the biz... 😉

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