Need some advice

congrats on getting married and all that. at your age you've no reason to feel sluggish and you've
not mentioned it but i would venture to squarely resolve this sluggish feeling by reexamining my
diet. ya know you gotta fuel the body well and properly...a lot of time when we step up our
training...we neglect to equally do that on a protein/carbo/fat level....

i'm training hard too and eating like a horse as of late. all good stuff....but eating well and
supplimenting my diet w/vitamins, protein bars, and packing a gel w/doing over 40 minutes of
running. monitor your diet...

goodluck guy....

andrew...

Thanks for the followup. I'm pretty sure I eat a lot, and relatively healthy. On my long runs I run
with a camal pack full of gatorade and water, while eating protein bars and gel packs. So I'm sure
it's not because of a lack of fuel.

I think I should say that the sluggish feeling is less being tired and more to do with my sore upper
legs (quads and hamstrings). They had been consistantly sore for the last week, slowing me down and
making me a little more tired (yet I still feel I have the energy to do run).

As I said before I think I was just running too fast on all my runs, even trying to get to close to
marathon pace on the last 10 miles of my 20 milers. Not taking easy days and running them at 8 to
8:30 min paces.

But as we speak, my legs are starting to feel better. I have a 7 mile tempo run at marathon pace
tonight. I am just checking to see if I should continue the 2 hard training days a week, so that I
fully recover from these sore muscles.

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congrats on getting married and all that. at your age you've no reason to

feel

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sluggish and you've not mentioned it but i would venture to squarely

resolve

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this sluggish feeling by reexamining my diet. ya know you gotta fuel the

body

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well and properly...a lot of time when we step up our training...we

neglect to

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equally do that on a protein/carbo/fat level....

i'm training hard too and eating like a horse as of late. all good stuff....but eating well and
supplimenting my diet w/vitamins, protein

bars,

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and packing a gel w/doing over 40 minutes of running. monitor your

diet...

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goodluck guy....

andrew...

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I'm training for the Seattle Marathon on Nov. 30, but I'm feeling a little OVERTRAINED right now.
First a little about me. I'm 29, this is my second marathon, and my goal is 3:30, but I would be
very satisfied with a 3:43.

Here is where I think my problem started. I was originally training for a marathon in early Oct.,
so I started training in June, had ran an two 18 milers and one 20 mile run before I stopped
training in the begining of July(too much going on, got married, and lots of traveling). So I
decided to do the Seattle and started training again in August. And I think I've been running too
hard on every run (not making the easy days too easy). Now I'm starting to putter out a little. I
feel sluggish. I'm tired. And my legs are sore (but getting better). I've taken a couple of days
off, and have only been running at conversational pace the last 5 days and I'm starting to feel a
little better. I think my problem may have been running hard every day.

My question is, I want to get rid of the sluggish feeling, but should I still do 2 hard work outs
a weekd (tempo/speed workouts and long runs) and just make sure to run very slowly on my easy
days? Is this enough to get over the sluggish feeling? I know this is complicated, but any advice
would be very much appreciated.

Well it's getting close to the race, so you are no doubt about to start your taper. Which means that
in a couple of weeks, you'll be bringing down milage and doing less demanding speedwork. You're no
doubt following some kind of plan which gives some sort of guideline for when to do the long runs
and how long they should be -- presumably, 3 weeks out will be your last long run, and probably the
only run between now and the race that is longer than 12 miles. I don't know what program you're
following, but I don't understand why long runs is plural.

Since you're getting close to the tapering period anyway, I'd suggest continuing the program, and
maybe tapering a little more than you usually would, especially in the last week.

Cheers,
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Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

In article said:

But as we speak, my legs are starting to feel better. I have a 7 mile tempo run at marathon pace
tonight. I am just checking to see if I should continue the 2 hard training days a week, so that I
fully recover from these sore muscles.

Consider reducing the volume of your speed workouts to address your moderately overtrained state,
but don't cut them out. For example, you could cut that back to 4 miles marathon pace + 2 mile slow
run warmup + 2 mile slow run cooldown. Doing a high volume of speed work will not offer much
(compared to a low volume of speed work) besides tire you out at this stage.

Cheers,
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Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

Thank you very much for the feedback Donovan.

I actually have a 20 mile run planed for this weekend, then another two weeks later (which would be
3 weeks before the race and the start of the taper). I've already finished 3 20 mile runs, as I've
been following Bob Glovers plan for basic competitors (mixing it up a little). I did do my 7 mile
tempo run at marathon pace last night (8 min miles which may be a little fast, I can't tell). It
felt really good, my legs were a little tight afterwards, but not to bad. I just need to make sure I
run nice and slow on my daily runs to recover from speed runs and long runs.

So do you think the 20 mile run planned this weekend is too much as I do have another planned in two
weeks? Should I shorten it a little or a lot or just follow the plan?

Again, thanks for the help.

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I'm training for the Seattle Marathon on Nov. 30, but I'm feeling a

little

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OVERTRAINED right now. First a little about me. I'm 29, this is my

second

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marathon, and my goal is 3:30, but I would be very satisfied with a

3:43.

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Here is where I think my problem started. I was originally training for

a

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marathon in early Oct., so I started training in June, had ran an two 18 milers and one 20 mile
run before I stopped training in the begining of July(too much going on, got married, and lots
of traveling). So I

decided

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to do the Seattle and started training again in August. And I think

I've

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been running too hard on every run (not making the easy days too easy).

Now

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I'm starting to putter out a little. I feel sluggish. I'm tired. And

my

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legs are sore (but getting better). I've taken a couple of days off,

and

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have only been running at conversational pace the last 5 days and I'm starting to feel a little
better. I think my problem may have been

running

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hard every day.

My question is, I want to get rid of the sluggish feeling, but should I still do 2 hard work
outs a weekd (tempo/speed workouts and long runs)

and

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just make sure to run very slowly on my easy days? Is this enough to

get

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over the sluggish feeling? I know this is complicated, but any advice

would

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be very much appreciated.

Well it's getting close to the race, so you are no doubt about to start

your

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taper. Which means that in a couple of weeks, you'll be bringing down

milage

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and doing less demanding speedwork. You're no doubt following some kind

of

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plan which gives some sort of guideline for when to do the long runs and

how

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long they should be -- presumably, 3 weeks out will be your last long run, and probably the only
run between now and the race that is longer than 12 miles. I don't know what program you're
following, but I don't understand why long runs is plural.

Since you're getting close to the tapering period anyway, I'd suggest continuing the program, and
maybe tapering a little more than you usually would, especially in the last week.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗