Net carbs and AGR

FitDay shows apples as having 17 carbs and 3 grams of fiber for 4 ounces.
Watermelon has 4 carbs and no fiber for 4 ounces.

Is AGR Atkins new blood test based scale?

"jc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On the atkins website they have a page that classifies fruits as low,
medium and high AGR.

However, this classification appears to conflict with the net carbs
for the same foods shown in the carb gram counter.

E.g. an apple is shown as a low AGR food while watermelon is medium
AGR. However, per the carb gram counter, an apple has 17.3 grams of
net carbs while a watermelon only has 2.6 grams of net carbs.

So from a net carb perspective, watermelon appears to be the right
choice vs an apple, but not from an AGR perspective!

So, the question is, which is it. Is an apple preferable to a
watermelon?

Similar issues are there between say an orange and cantaloupe. The two
tables taken together are extremely confusing!

Thanks in advance for any insights you can provide!

Regards,

JC.

On atkins wef 2/14/2004 240/170/160

(jc) said:

On the atkins website they have a page that classifies fruits as low,
medium and high AGR.

However, this classification appears to conflict with the net carbs
for the same foods shown in the carb gram counter.

E.g. an apple is shown as a low AGR food while watermelon is medium
AGR. However, per the carb gram counter, an apple has 17.3 grams of
net carbs while a watermelon only has 2.6 grams of net carbs.

So from a net carb perspective, watermelon appears to be the right
choice vs an apple, but not from an AGR perspective!

So, the question is, which is it. Is an apple preferable to a
watermelon?

The plan I'm following allows apples - but no watermelon. My carbs
stay around 50 per day.

Lybbe
Started Bernstein Diet October 2, 2004 - 243.0
Today's weight - 233.2
Goal - 150

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Quoted message said:

On the atkins website they have a page that classifies fruits as low,
medium and high AGR.

However, this classification appears to conflict with the net carbs
for the same foods shown in the carb gram counter.

E.g. an apple is shown as a low AGR food while watermelon is medium
AGR. However, per the carb gram counter, an apple has 17.3 grams of
net carbs while a watermelon only has 2.6 grams of net carbs.

So from a net carb perspective, watermelon appears to be the right
choice vs an apple, but not from an AGR perspective!

So, the question is, which is it. Is an apple preferable to a
watermelon?

Similar issues are there between say an orange and cantaloupe. The two
tables taken together are extremely confusing!

Thanks in advance for any insights you can provide!

Regards,

JC.

On atkins wef 2/14/2004 240/170/160

What exactly are you looking at? This is the first I've heard of AGR
and I didn't see anything on AtkinsCenter?

[email hidden] (Chet Hayes) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] (jc) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

On the atkins website they have a page that classifies fruits as low,
medium and high AGR.

However, this classification appears to conflict with the net carbs
for the same foods shown in the carb gram counter.

E.g. an apple is shown as a low AGR food while watermelon is medium
AGR. However, per the carb gram counter, an apple has 17.3 grams of
net carbs while a watermelon only has 2.6 grams of net carbs.

So from a net carb perspective, watermelon appears to be the right
choice vs an apple, but not from an AGR perspective!

So, the question is, which is it. Is an apple preferable to a
watermelon?

Similar issues are there between say an orange and cantaloupe. The two
tables taken together are extremely confusing!

Thanks in advance for any insights you can provide!

Regards,

JC.

On atkins wef 2/14/2004 240/170/160

What exactly are you looking at? This is the first I've heard of AGR
and I didn't see anything on AtkinsCenter?

This is the link at atkins website that lists the fruits by AGR.

Click to see the page:
http://atkins.com/Archive/2003/2/10-469820.html

JC

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Quoted message said:

On the atkins website they have a page that classifies fruits as low,
medium and high AGR.

However, this classification appears to conflict with the net carbs
for the same foods shown in the carb gram counter.

E.g. an apple is shown as a low AGR food while watermelon is medium
AGR. However, per the carb gram counter, an apple has 17.3 grams of
net carbs while a watermelon only has 2.6 grams of net carbs.

So from a net carb perspective, watermelon appears to be the right
choice vs an apple, but not from an AGR perspective!

So, the question is, which is it. Is an apple preferable to a
watermelon?

Similar issues are there between say an orange and cantaloupe. The two
tables taken together are extremely confusing!

Thanks in advance for any insights you can provide!

Regards,

JC.

On atkins wef 2/14/2004 240/170/160

What exactly are you looking at? This is the first I've heard of AGR
and I didn't see anything on AtkinsCenter?

It was an important part of Atkins for Life.

Sid...

its in the ATKINS FOR LIFE program.
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mr. president, you had better prepare the american people for
casualties."
the president then told him, "Oh, no, we're not going to have any
casualties."
..................................................rev.pat robinson
10-19-04

"Chet Hayes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
: What exactly are you looking at? This is the first I've heard of
AGR
: and I didn't see anything on AtkinsCenter?

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its in the ATKINS FOR LIFE program.
--
" i warned him about this war. i had deep misgivings about this war.
mr. president, you had better prepare the american people for
casualties."
the president then told him, "Oh, no, we're not going to have any
casualties."
.................................................rev.pat robinson
10-19-04

Hey Rosie,

That should read ........... "rev. pat robertson" in your sig line (not
robinson).

I actually live 1/2 mile from the CBN headquarters and Pat Robertson's home
in Virginia Beach. His satellites interfere with my cell phone reception!

Peter

jc said:

On the atkins website they have a page that classifies fruits as low,
medium and high AGR.

However, this classification appears to conflict with the net carbs
for the same foods shown in the carb gram counter.

E.g. an apple is shown as a low AGR food while watermelon is medium
AGR. However, per the carb gram counter, an apple has 17.3 grams of
net carbs while a watermelon only has 2.6 grams of net carbs.

So from a net carb perspective, watermelon appears to be the right
choice vs an apple, but not from an AGR perspective!

You misread the chart on the atkinscenter site.
That's a measly 1/4 cup of watermelon, not "a watermelon",
vs a whole apple.

Meanwhile, on the link in one of your other posts in this thread, that
defines "AGR," they described a serving of most fruits as a 1/2 cup,
but their carb counter page for fruits lists most of them at 1/4 cup.

Gotta watch those amounts and "servings" on LC, they can really trip
you up, especially when some brand labels themselves low-carb just
by arbitrarily making the labelled serving smaller than other brands.

--
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jc said:

On the atkins website they have a page that classifies fruits as low,
medium and high AGR.

You misread the chart on the atkinscenter site.
That's a measly 1/4 cup of watermelon, not "a watermelon",
vs a whole apple.

Meanwhile, on the link in one of your other posts in this thread, that
defines "AGR," they described a serving of most fruits as a 1/2 cup,
but their carb counter page for fruits lists most of them at 1/4 cup.

Gotta watch those amounts and "servings" on LC, they can really trip
you up, especially when some brand labels themselves low-carb just
by arbitrarily making the labelled serving smaller than other brands.

OK, so let us take a 1/2 cup serving. Is it better to eat a 1/2 cup of
apple or a 1/2 cup of watermelon.

(NB: Carb counts are from fitday)
Carb count of apple for 1/2 cup is 9.5 carbs (minus fibre 1.69) for
net carbs of 7.81. Carb count for 1/2 cup watermelon is 5.5 (minus
fibre 0.38) for net carbs of 5.1. So watermelon is lower carb for that
serving. BUT, it is rated medium AGR while apple is low AGR. So per
the AGR chart, it is better to eat the apple??

JC

jc said:

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Quoted message said:

jc said:

On the atkins website they have a page that classifies fruits as low,
medium and high AGR.

You misread the chart on the atkinscenter site.
That's a measly 1/4 cup of watermelon, not "a watermelon",
vs a whole apple.

Meanwhile, on the link in one of your other posts in this thread, that
defines "AGR," they described a serving of most fruits as a 1/2 cup,
but their carb counter page for fruits lists most of them at 1/4 cup.

Gotta watch those amounts and "servings" on LC, they can really trip
you up, especially when some brand labels themselves low-carb just
by arbitrarily making the labelled serving smaller than other brands.

OK, so let us take a 1/2 cup serving. Is it better to eat a 1/2 cup of
apple or a 1/2 cup of watermelon.

(NB: Carb counts are from fitday)
Carb count of apple for 1/2 cup is 9.5 carbs (minus fibre 1.69) for
net carbs of 7.81. Carb count for 1/2 cup watermelon is 5.5 (minus
fibre 0.38) for net carbs of 5.1. So watermelon is lower carb for that
serving. BUT, it is rated medium AGR while apple is low AGR. So per
the AGR chart, it is better to eat the apple??

Personally, I find the number of carb grams minus fiber a lot more
important than the glycemic indices used for AGR. They're still
carbs, some are absorbed somewhat more slowly than others, but they're
still aborbed.

There isn't much difference between a 5g carb portion of fruit and an
8g carb portion of fruit, unless you're still on 20g Induction limits.
A difference of 3 grams of carb isn't going to jack up your BG and
flood insulin. It's your carb budget, which one would you rather eat?

168/125/125 LC since 2/18/97 maintaining since 3/17/99
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