New Balance 991 Question

(shinypenny) said:

Hi All,

For years I've been running on Asics Duomax. When the model I liked was being retired, I stocked up
on numerous pairs. That lasted me for a few years more, until recently when it became clear it was
time to find a new favorite shoe!

For my birthday my fiancee surprised me with a pair of New Balance 991's. (He's a sweetie, what can
I say?) They are very comfortable to walk in and wear around the house. However, running seems to
be another story. I can't seem to get used to them. They feel too... rigid. Particularly around the
heel. I keep thinking I'm going to twist my ankle.

Also, after running in them a handful of times, I started to get this nagging pain in my right hip.
It would start after my run and continue for days. I've switched back to my old worn out Duomax's,
but the nagging pain is still persisting, though I've learned to cope and lessen the pain by taking
anti-inflammatories and icing my hip immediately after a run. (Yes, I have scheduled a PT
appointment later next month to figure out what's going on; I have a history of lower back
injuries, so I'm not messing around this time!).

Meanwhile, I went online and researched the 991 model. Apparently, these sneaks are designed for
the mild to moderate overpronator who needs cushioning and stability. I don't believe I
overpronate. At the end of August, we went to the shore and I ran barefoot on the beach just to be
sure. I don't over or under pronate; my foot prints looked quite normal.

So my question, can these shoes harm someone who does not over or under pronate? Should I give up
trying to run in them?

Also can anyone point me to a web site that demonstrates some good stretches for the hip flexors?
Preferably something with visuals, because I tend to find it hard to follow text descriptions.

Thanks!

jen

My experience with these two brands is that if Asics fit you well, NB probably won't. Go back to
Asics, try the 1080's, you'll love 'em.

shinypenny said:

Also can anyone point me to a web site that demonstrates some good stretches for the hip flexors?
Preferably something with visuals, because I tend to find it hard to follow text descriptions.

Thanks!

jen

physicaltherapy.about.comaa081501i.htmOpen ↗
idahofitness.comRunners Conditioning.htmOpen ↗
myfit.caview.aspOpen ↗
drbackman.compsoas muscle stretch.htmOpen ↗
workoutsforwomen.comstretch2.aspOpen ↗
jaxmed.compirformis stretches.htmOpen ↗

but I couldn't find the ones my PT gave me - but movements are similar to these. Some use exercise /
stability ball. I included a number of pages since some of them are part of larger sites with
assorted types of stretching that might be useful - and some give different levels of detail /
illustrations than others, depending upon what you find more useful. Good luck.

Dot

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Sorry to hear that the 991 does not work for you.

I also got a pair as a birthday gift, 3 weeks ago and they are working out perfectly for me.
Previously I had been using the 998 model.

Lewis.

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Quoted message said:

Hi All,

For years I've been running on Asics Duomax. When the model I liked was being retired, I stocked
up on numerous pairs. That lasted me for a few years more, until recently when it became clear it
was time to find a new favorite shoe!

For my birthday my fiancee surprised me with a pair of New Balance 991's. (He's a sweetie, what
can I say?) They are very comfortable to walk in and wear around the house. However, running seems
to be another story. I can't seem to get used to them. They feel too... rigid. Particularly around
the heel. I keep thinking I'm going to twist my ankle.

Also, after running in them a handful of times, I started to get this nagging pain in my right
hip. It would start after my run and continue for days. I've switched back to my old worn out
Duomax's, but the nagging pain is still persisting, though I've learned to cope and lessen the
pain by taking anti-inflammatories and icing my hip immediately after a run. (Yes, I have
scheduled a PT appointment later next month to figure out what's going on; I have a history of
lower back injuries, so I'm not messing around this time!).

Meanwhile, I went online and researched the 991 model. Apparently, these sneaks are designed for
the mild to moderate overpronator who needs cushioning and stability. I don't believe I
overpronate. At the end of August, we went to the shore and I ran barefoot on the beach just to be
sure. I don't over or under pronate; my foot prints looked quite normal.

So my question, can these shoes harm someone who does not over or under pronate? Should I give up
trying to run in them?

Also can anyone point me to a web site that demonstrates some good stretches for the hip flexors?
Preferably something with visuals, because I tend to find it hard to follow text descriptions.

Thanks!

jen

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Hi All,

For years I've been running on Asics Duomax. When the model I liked was being retired, I stocked
up on numerous pairs. That lasted me for a few years more, until recently when it became clear it
was time to find a new favorite shoe!

For my birthday my fiancee surprised me with a pair of New Balance 991's. (He's a sweetie, what
can I say?) They are very comfortable to walk in and wear around the house. However, running seems
to be another story. I can't seem to get used to them. They feel too... rigid. Particularly around
the heel. I keep thinking I'm going to twist my ankle.

We sell these shoes to lots of people who use them as an everyday casual/walking around shoe but
very few people I know actually run in them. They do have a very firm heel because of the
polyurethane used there. Even though these shoes have a cult following and have caught on as a
fashion shoe with the kids you can probably get a better shoe to run in for less money.

Jim Johnson

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shinypenny said:

Also can anyone point me to a web site that demonstrates some good stretches for the hip
flexors? Preferably something with visuals, because I tend to find it hard to follow text
descriptions.

Thanks!

jen

physicaltherapy.about.comaa081501i.htmOpen ↗
idahofitness.comRunners Conditioning.htmOpen ↗
myfit.caview.aspOpen ↗
drbackman.compsoas muscle stretch.htmOpen ↗
workoutsforwomen.comstretch2.aspOpen ↗
jaxmed.compirformis stretches.htmOpen ↗

but I couldn't find the ones my PT gave me - but movements are similar to these. Some use exercise
/ stability ball. I included a number of pages since some of them are part of larger sites with
assorted types of stretching that might be useful - and some give different levels of detail /
illustrations than others, depending upon what you find more useful. Good luck.

Dot

Wow, this is great. Thanks so much. I followed the link on pirformis syndrome, and it sounds like
what I've got.

jen

(shinypenny) said:

Wow, this is great. Thanks so much. I followed the link on pirformis syndrome, and it sounds like
what I've got.

jen

A shot of antibiotics will clear that right up. Next time use a condom.

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For my birthday my fiancee surprised me with a pair of New Balance

Quoted message said:

991's. (He's a sweetie, what can I say?) They are very comfortable to walk in and wear around the
house. However, running seems to be another story. I can't seem to get used to them. They feel
too... rigid. Particularly around the heel. I keep thinking I'm going to twist my ankle.

Also, after running in them a handful of times, I started to get this nagging pain in my right
hip. It would start after my run and continue for days. I've switched back to my old worn out
Duomax's, but the nagging pain is still persisting, though I've learned to cope and lessen the
pain by taking anti-inflammatories and icing my hip immediately after a run. (Yes, I have
scheduled a PT appointment later next month to figure out what's going on; I have a history of
lower back injuries, so I'm not messing around this time!).

Meanwhile, I went online and researched the 991 model. Apparently, these sneaks are designed for
the mild to moderate overpronator who needs cushioning and stability. I don't believe I
overpronate. At the end of August, we went to the shore and I ran barefoot on the beach just to be
sure. I don't over or under pronate; my foot prints looked quite normal.

So my question, can these shoes harm someone who does not over or under pronate? Should I give up
trying to run in them?

well, if you check out as not being a serious pronator, then a fairly neutral shoe should do the
job, and the 991 is just that... it offers cushioning with a bit of support. these may work as a
walking shoe for you, but when you run, it is possible that you may pronate more than when you walk.
have you been properly fitted for a shoe by a knowledgable running shoe salesperson? they can spot
things about your gait, foot type, and determine alternate shoes that may solve your problem.

Quoted message said:

Also can anyone point me to a web site that demonstrates some good stretches for the hip flexors?
Preferably something with visuals, because I tend to find it hard to follow text descriptions.

if you would like, i could send you a pdf file showing diagrams and descriptions of several running
stretches, including one hip one that i do daily, whether or not i run that day.

if you are certain you are not an overpronator, the shoe shouldn't harm you. if you supinate... roll
the foot outwards... this neutral/stability shoe should correct it. but if you DO require motion
control features, then the shoe could be doing this to you.

Cam

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shinypenny said:

Also can anyone point me to a web site that demonstrates some good stretches for the hip
flexors? Preferably something with visuals, because I tend to find it hard to follow text
descriptions.

Thanks!

jen

physicaltherapy.about.comaa081501i.htmOpen ↗
idahofitness.comRunners Conditioning.htmOpen ↗
myfit.caview.aspOpen ↗
drbackman.compsoas muscle stretch.htmOpen ↗
workoutsforwomen.comstretch2.aspOpen ↗
jaxmed.compirformis stretches.htmOpen ↗

but I couldn't find the ones my PT gave me - but movements are similar to these. Some use
exercise / stability ball. I included a number of pages since some of them are part of larger
sites with assorted types of stretching that might be useful - and some give different levels of
detail / illustrations than others, depending upon what you find more useful. Good luck.

Dot

Wow, this is great. Thanks so much. I followed the link on pirformis syndrome, and it sounds like
what I've got.

jen

ah, good ol' piriformis. i have a favourite stretch for that one. you are sure it's hip though? i
find that problems with my IT Band are linked with the hip and the piriformis... i must stretch
these diligently or i get problems. best of luck.

Cam

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well, if you check out as not being a serious pronator, then a fairly neutral shoe should do
the job, and the 991 is just that... it offers cushioning with a bit of support. these may work
as a walking shoe for you, but when you run, it is possible that you may pronate more than when
you walk.

Actually, when I tested it out on the beach, I was running, not walking.

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have you been properly fitted for a shoe by a knowledgable running shoe salesperson? they can spot
things about your gait, foot type, and determine alternate shoes that may solve your problem.

Not since buying my first Asics, and that was over 6 years ago.

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Quoted message said:

Also can anyone point me to a web site that demonstrates some good stretches for the hip
flexors? Preferably something with visuals, because I tend to find it hard to follow text
descriptions.

if you would like, i could send you a pdf file showing diagrams and descriptions of several
running stretches, including one hip one that i do daily, whether or not i run that day.

Please send to my yahoo address; thanks!

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if you are certain you are not an overpronator, the shoe shouldn't harm you. if you supinate...
roll the foot outwards... this neutral/stability shoe should correct it. but if you DO require
motion control features, then the shoe could be doing this to you.

Hmmmm... I may roll my foot outwards. That's what seems to be happening, with my right foot
especially (note it's my right hip that's having the problems now). I feel like the 991 is forcing
my foot to not roll, and it doesn't feel natural at all. I feel like I'm going to twist my ankle. I
also feel like there's just too much heel on the shoe, so that the effect is that it forces me to
strike heel first. I feel like I'm clomping along like an elephant in orthopedic shoes.

Complicating matters is probably the fact that I was born pigeon toed and had to wear a brace as a
child to correct the matter.

jen

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ah, good ol' piriformis. i have a favourite stretch for that one. you are sure it's hip though? i
find that problems with my IT Band are linked with the hip and the piriformis... i must stretch
these diligently or i get problems. best of luck.

Cam

Where exactly is the IT Band? I've seen this mentioned on this group before.

I figure I'll find out what's going on next month at my PT appointment. A complicating factor may be
arthritis, or so we suspect. I have had recurring lower back problems for 15 years now. Lately,
since getting these shoes, it's been my right hip and buttocks, as well as lower back.

One thing I've discovered that really helps is to lie on my back with my legs together, knees up,
and have my 65-pound daughter sit squarely on my pelvis. The pressure of her weight acts to slowly,
gently stretch out my pelvis. This helps immensely. It feels like it snaps things back into
alignment.

jen

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have you been properly fitted for a shoe by a knowledgable running shoe salesperson? they can
spot things about your gait, foot type, and determine alternate shoes that may solve your
problem.

Not since buying my first Asics, and that was over 6 years ago.

hm, because things like this can change over time, as you may well know.

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if you would like, i could send you a pdf file showing diagrams and descriptions of several
running stretches, including one hip one that i do daily, whether or not i run that day.

Please send to my yahoo address; thanks!

i'm on it.

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if you are certain you are not an overpronator, the shoe shouldn't harm you. if you supinate...
roll the foot outwards... this neutral/stability shoe should correct it. but if you DO require
motion control features, then the shoe could be doing this to you.

Hmmmm... I may roll my foot outwards. That's what seems to be happening, with my right foot
especially (note it's my right hip that's having the problems now). I feel like the 991 is forcing
my foot to not roll, and it doesn't feel natural at all. I feel like I'm going to twist my ankle.
I also feel like there's just too much heel on the shoe, so that the effect is that it forces me
to strike heel first. I feel like I'm clomping along like an elephant in orthopedic shoes.

huh? if your foot rolls outward then you WANT a stabilizing shoe that'll keep the foot straighter
and flatter on contact with the ground. i guess you are just so used to shoes that don't correct the
supinating that THIS feels weird for you. you'll get used to it, esp. if it helps. heel first is
good but it should be a very light, quick heel strike with a roll toward the toe. these are rigid
shoes? i think you said that earlier. something with more flexibility in the sole would help. look
for a split heel and/or flex grooves on the outsole (underside of the shoe).

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Complicating matters is probably the fact that I was born pigeon toed and had to wear a brace as a
child to correct the matter.

i'm not a doctor or even an expert on shoes, but have simply been learning a fair bit recently in a
running shoe store job. i'm just relating what i have seen and learned. you may need more expert
advice on this. best of luck.

Cam

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ah, good ol' piriformis. i have a favourite stretch for that one. you are sure it's hip though?
i find that problems with my IT Band are linked with the hip and the piriformis... i must
stretch these diligently or i get problems. best of luck.

Cam

Where exactly is the IT Band? I've seen this mentioned on this group before.

it runs along the side of the leg, from just below the knee up to about the hip area. not-so-good
running form can cause the band to shift ever so slightly so that it is nearer the kneecap and it's
the subsequent rubbing that causes knee pain. the ITB can get sore along other parts of it, but most
commonly at the knee.

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I figure I'll find out what's going on next month at my PT appointment. A complicating factor may
be arthritis, or so we suspect. I have had recurring lower back problems for 15 years now. Lately,
since getting these shoes, it's been my right hip and buttocks, as well as lower back.

hey, it's all connected (knee bone connected to the shin bone, etc 🙂 i've had mild to moderate back
pain at times and it is often linked to the state of my legs, ITB, hip, piriformis, etc. take care
of the ITB and the other things could very well clear up.

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One thing I've discovered that really helps is to lie on my back with my legs together, knees up,
and have my 65-pound daughter sit squarely on my pelvis. The pressure of her weight acts to
slowly, gently stretch out my pelvis. This helps immensely. It feels like it snaps things back
into alignment.

hm, a new form of therapy? ask the PT about that one to be sure it's ok.

Cam

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Not every race can be a perfect experience, but every race can be a learning experience.

(shinypenny) said:

Where exactly is the IT Band? I've seen this mentioned on this group before.

They meet on wed nights for practice at the war memorial building in holyoke, and play several
parades a year.

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Not since buying my first Asics, and that was over 6 years ago.

hm, because things like this can change over time, as you may well know.

Yep - this is on my list, but I figured I'd wait until after the PT appt.

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Hmmmm... I may roll my foot outwards. That's what seems to be happening, with my right foot
especially (note it's my right hip that's having the problems now). I feel like the 991 is
forcing my foot to not roll, and it doesn't feel natural at all. I feel like I'm going to twist
my ankle. I also feel like there's just too much heel on the shoe, so that the effect is that it
forces me to strike heel first. I feel like I'm clomping along like an elephant in orthopedic
shoes.

huh? if your foot rolls outward then you WANT a stabilizing shoe that'll keep the foot straighter
and flatter on contact with the ground. i guess you are just so used to shoes that don't correct
the supinating that THIS feels weird for you.

Yep, this is what I was thinking, too. However, today I followed a link here that showed how you can
check the wear pattern of your shoes (posted by a shoe salesman? Sorry I forget who). Came home
tonight and checked my shoes. (I currently have three pairs, not counting the 991s, that I rotate).
The wear pattern is that of someone who does not overpronate *or* supinate. The little dots on the
sole were only worn out on the heel (where you expect), and neatly up the middle of my foot and the
toe. Nothing much on the outside or inside.

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you'll get used to it, esp. if it helps. heel first is good but it should be a very light, quick
heel strike with a roll toward the toe. these are rigid shoes? i think you said that earlier.
something with more flexibility in the sole would help.

Yes, I will look for that.

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look for a split heel and/or flex grooves on the outsole (underside of the shoe).

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Complicating matters is probably the fact that I was born pigeon toed and had to wear a brace as
a child to correct the matter.

i'm not a doctor or even an expert on shoes, but have simply been learning a fair bit recently in
a running shoe store job. i'm just relating what i have seen and learned. you may need more expert
advice on this. best of luck.

Thanks. I really dread shopping for a new favorite brand. It took me forever to find the Asics. When
they announced they were disc'ing them, I did try the new model Asics and didn't like them. That's
when I lucked out and found a close-out sale and snapped up numerous pairs, at dirt-cheap prices.

Oh well. It has been many years now, so there's got to be something on the market that'll
work for me!

jen

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it runs along the side of the leg, from just below the knee up to about the hip area. not-so-good
running form can cause the band to shift ever so slightly so that it is nearer the kneecap and
it's the subsequent rubbing that causes knee pain. the ITB can get sore along other parts of it,
but most commonly at the knee.

Thanks. I don't have knee pain; never really have.

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hey, it's all connected (knee bone connected to the shin bone, etc 🙂 i've had mild to moderate
back pain at times and it is often linked to the state of my legs, ITB, hip, piriformis, etc. take
care of the ITB and the other things could very well clear up.

I'm thinking that it's either my hips causing my back pain or my back problem causing my hip pain.

Ran yesterday with a 25 year old from my office (I'm 38). We only went 3 miles, but at a slightly
faster pace than I'm used to. I felt fine before, during and after the run. I took a prescription
anti-inflammatory, which I've been taking pretty much every day as a preventive measure. I
stretched some during thr run, immediately after the run, and stretched A LOT before bed, and again
this morning.

When I woke up I had this deep pain in the buttucks and achiness in my hips. I took another
anti-inflammatory, but by late afternoon, sitting all day at my desk, my lower back was screaming in
agony, too. It's the whole pelvic girdle; my legs and knees are fine. I tried more stretches, but it
seemed to just make it worse. After work, standing and moving around relieved the pain; sitting down
made it worse. I iced it while making dinner and that helped.

jen

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Complicating matters is probably the fact that I was born pigeon toed and had to wear a brace as a
child to correct the matter.

Very interesting, Jen--are you pigeontoed in both feet or just one? I ask because I experience a
lot of the back/hip pains you've described--the difference being that I am starting running for the
first time, after having not really done much of anything since (well, I can't say "since I got out
of college," since that was only 2 years ago, but I can say "since my mid-20s"😉. In fact, one of
the reasons I started running was to get in better shape to see if that would help ward off the
always nagging, occassionally troubling back pain I've dealt with ever since hitting that vague
"mid-30s" point.

I'm only pigeontoed in the right foot; my natural foot plant is about 20 degrees off plumb. In my
case, it actually starts all the way up in the hip joint, with a femoral head that's set at a screwy
angle. All kinds of minor anomolies result--slight pronation in the right foot, and I do not
walk/run "square," but rather lead slightly with the left side of the body. This, in turn, causes me
to push off more strongly on the left leg, as you can see by the heavier wear in the ball/toe area
of my left shoe compared to the right.

So, my question to the gurus is, given this problem of skeletal alignment, would I be better off
trying to (to the extent possible) correct the problem (by trying to plant my foot straight, trying
to keep my shoulders/pelvis more perpendicular to the forward motion, etc.) or to go with what my
twisted little legs find "natural"? I am concerned not at all with speed, only with avoiding injury.

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Complicating matters is probably the fact that I was born pigeon toed and had to wear a brace as
a child to correct the matter.

Very interesting, Jen--are you pigeontoed in both feet or just one? I ask because I experience a
lot of the back/hip pains you've described--the difference being that I am starting running for the
first time, after having not really done much of anything since (well, I can't say "since I got out
of college," since that was only 2 years ago, but I can say "since my mid-20s"😉. In fact, one of
the reasons I started running was to get in better shape to see if that would help ward off the
always nagging, occassionally troubling back pain I've dealt with ever since hitting that vague
"mid-30s" point.

I'm only pigeontoed in the right foot; my natural foot plant is about 20 degrees off plumb. In my
case, it actually starts all the way up in the hip joint, with a femoral head that's set at a
screwy angle. All kinds of minor anomolies result--slight pronation in the right foot, and I do not
walk/run "square," but rather lead slightly with the left side of the body. This, in turn, causes
me to push off more strongly on the left leg, as you can see by the heavier wear in the ball/toe
area of my left shoe compared to the right.

So, my question to the gurus is, given this problem of skeletal alignment, would I be better off
trying to (to the extent possible) correct the problem (by trying to plant my foot straight,
trying to keep my shoulders/pelvis more perpendicular to the forward motion, etc.) or to go with
what my twisted little legs find "natural"? I am concerned not at all with speed, only with
avoiding injury.

A couple of thoughts:

As far as the gait goes, you've been running with one version for a while now, right? If so, try
the other way around for a couple of weeks (barring quick obvious results that say this is a bad
idea) and see how they compare.

In either version of gait, you do want your foot to be squarely under your weight as you come
down, only the rotation of the leg being different.

More directly for the back, this is one I've been non-virtuous about myself, but situps, crunches,
leg lifts, and a couple of more specific back exercises are helpful. Folks in your running club
can help demo them.

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Ran yesterday with a 25 year old from my office (I'm 38). We only went 3 miles, but at a slightly
faster pace than I'm used to. I felt fine before, during and after the run. I took a prescription
anti-inflammatory, which I've been taking pretty much every day as a preventive measure. I
stretched some during thr run, immediately after the run, and stretched A LOT before bed, and
again this morning.

When I woke up I had this deep pain in the buttucks and achiness in my hips. I took another
anti-inflammatory, but by late afternoon, sitting all day at my desk, my lower back was screaming
in agony, too. It's the whole pelvic girdle; my legs and knees are fine. I tried more stretches,
but it seemed to just make it worse. After work, standing and moving around relieved the pain;
sitting down made it worse. I iced it while making dinner and that helped.

jen

aye yi aye... sounds a bit more like piriformis then, which i've felt in the past. something i
figured out on my own was that i was doing too much stretching - and overstretching, in fact. ease
off on the stretches... still do them... but when you do them, make them gentler, less "deep". in
your enthusiasm to aggressively treat this, you might have pulled a muscle or done a little damage
to some tissue in there. go really easy, let that heal (if that's what it is), and continue with the
meds. also ice the area (20 min. on, 20 min. off, a few times per session, a few times per day)...
have you been doing that? i also think that you should cut out the running for a little bit. i know
you don't want to hear that, but a few days at least could give the sore areas time to heal up some.
then get back into it carefully, not pushing so hard, and limiting your mileage until you've solved
this problem.

here's a suggestion: you might think this sounds wacky, but take a couple of baseballs (hardballs
are better from my experience), place them on the seat of a chair right under each leg... way back
under your backside. sit on those, roll around slowly, and really focus on the massaging effect
these have. work around on the b-balls up and down the seat and hamstrings. use your hands on the
edges of the chair seat to support yourself a bit while doing this. locate the toughest/most painful
spots and gradually lean and let your weight down onto the b-balls at those points. if this is
anything like what i've been through, you may have tight hamstrings. and possibly tight quadriceps,
maybe calves, the whole shebang. i tackled this by stopping all stretching and concentrating on
loosening up the tight spots. continued stretching will make it worse, as you've experienced.

hope this helps some,

Cam

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onemarathon said:

here's a suggestion: you might think this sounds wacky, but take a couple of baseballs (hardballs
are better from my experience), place them on the seat of a chair right under each leg... way back
under your backside. sit on those, roll around slowly, and really focus on the massaging effect
these have.

Personally I found a baseball too hard and a tennis ball and even a football works better. I don't
know if two at a time will work as well as one. With two you will try to keep both balls under your
leg/butt which will limit the number of degrees you can rotate. Just some alternate thoughts.

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