New wheelset or just rims?

Quoted post said:

Originally posted by Ken Prager
The Mavic 517's on my beloved Marin Team Issue won't stay
true anymore and the LBS says they are ready to go. One
mechanic says to just use the old hubs (circa 1998 XTR) and
another says buy a new wheelset.

I'd appreciate it is some of you could offer advice.
Also, opinions on rims/wheelsets are also welcome. (I'm
5'9", 145 lbs.)

Thanks in advance,

Ken P.

Give us a little history on their use/abuse, mileage etc.

Quoted post said:

Originally posted by Ken Prager
The Mavic 517's on my beloved Marin Team Issue won't stay
true anymore and the LBS says they are ready to go. One
mechanic says to just use the old hubs (circa 1998 XTR) and
another says buy a new wheelset.

I'd appreciate it is some of you could offer advice.
Also, opinions on rims/wheelsets are also welcome. (I'm
5'9", 145 lbs.)

Thanks in advance,

Ken P.

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I say go with new rims only.
There are many choices out there.
Mavic 618 is the same rim size but has a socket per spoke that connects the inner and outer rim walls.
F519 is a little sturdier and close enough in ERD to use the same spokes.
For some choices, look for rims within 1 mm of the same ERD as the 517. One table for comparison is:
http://sheldonbrown.com/rinard/spocalc.xls
XC717 is the new generation 517
XM719 and XM819 are the new generation choices that you should check, but make sure ERDs are a match. I don't have the rims or the charts for these new generation to know what the ERDs are.
Most shops charge about $100 to $125 per wheel for a rebuild. The price includes the price of the rim.

Ken Prager said:

The Mavic 517's on my beloved Marin Team Issue won't stay
true anymore and the LBS says they are ready to go. One
mechanic says to just use the old hubs (circa 1998 XTR)
and another says buy a new wheelset.

I'd appreciate it is some of you could offer advice. Also,
opinions on rims/wheelsets are also welcome. (I'm 5'9",
145 lbs.)

If you can still get those rims -- just get another pair,
and swap them in, using the old hubs, spokes, and all. If
you have aluminum nipples, you should probably get new ones
(brass this time).

I'll let Jobst tell you why this is preferable to all-new.

Matt O.

So daveornee <[email hidden]> says:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The Mavic 517's on my beloved Marin Team Issue won't
stay true anymore and the LBS says they are ready to
go. One mechanic says to just use the old hubs (circa
1998 XTR) and another says buy a new wheelset. I'd
appreciate it is some of you could offer advice. Also,
opinions on rims/wheelsets are also welcome. (I'm 5'9",
145 lbs.) Thanks in advance, Ken P.

Lemme get this straight. You wanna shelve perfectly good
hubs (assuming they are) because yer rims are done? I bet
the guy trying to sell you on a new wheelset is looking for
some used hubs.

jeffb

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Quoted message said:

The Mavic 517's on my beloved Marin Team Issue won't stay
true anymore and the LBS says they are ready to go. One
mechanic says to just use the old hubs (circa 1998 XTR)
and another says buy a new wheelset.

I'd appreciate it is some of you could offer advice. Also,
opinions on rims/wheelsets are also welcome. (I'm 5'9",
145 lbs.)

The easiest/cheapest way to go is to buy some rims with the
same effective diameter (probably another set of Mavics), &
reuse the old hubs & spokes. Unless they have been damaged
(worn races or nicked spokes), they should outlast several
rims. I'm not a great wheel builder by any means, but I can
swap a rim in about an hour -- it's not hard.

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Cipher said:

Ken Prager said:

The Mavic 517's on my beloved Marin Team Issue won't
stay true anymore and the LBS says they are ready to
go. One mechanic says to just use the old hubs (circa
1998 XTR) and another says buy a new wheelset. I'd
appreciate it is some of you could offer advice. Also,
opinions on rims/wheelsets are also welcome. (I'm
5'9", 145 lbs.) Thanks in advance, Ken P.

Give us a little history on their use/abuse, mileage etc.

That bike probably gets ridden 1000 miles per year so it has
maybe 5000 miles on it. I tend to use it on less technical
terrain (although it has been to Moab and Downieville),
saving the tough stuff for my full suspension bike. I race
with it a few times a year.

TIA,

Ken P.

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prager-<< The Mavic 517's on my beloved Marin Team Issue
won't stay true anymore and the LBS says they are ready to
go. One mechanic says to just use the old hubs (circa 1998
XTR) and another says buy a new wheelset. >><BR><BR>

Why chuck these really nice hubs?? The second wrench ought
to be ashamed unless he can't build wheels....

Look at Velocity Synergy with an offcenter rear and use the
first guy to rebuild them.

Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535 vecchios.comvecchios.comOpen ↗ "Ruote convenzionali
costruite eccezionalmente bene"

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:12:56 -0800, Ken Prager <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

The Mavic 517's on my beloved Marin Team Issue won't stay
true anymore and the LBS says they are ready to go. One
mechanic says to just use the old hubs (circa 1998 XTR) and
another says buy a new wheelset.

I'd appreciate it is some of you could offer advice. Also,
opinions on rims/wheelsets are also welcome. (I'm 5'9",
145 lbs.)

Thanks in advance,

If they were my wheels, I'd undo the spoke nipples until
1 thread was visible. I'd put in truing stand and see
how badly the wheel was out of true radially and
laterally. If the wheel rolled ok, I'd build it back
with the proper tension. If the rim was wobbly, I'd
change the rim. It doesn't appear that anything is wrong
with your hub or spokes.

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So daveornee <[email hidden]> says:

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Quoted message said:

The Mavic 517's on my beloved Marin Team Issue won't
stay true

anymore

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and the LBS says they are ready to go. One mechanic
says to just use

the

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old hubs (circa 1998 XTR) and another says buy a new
wheelset. I'd appreciate it is some of you could
offer advice. Also, opinions

on

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

rims/wheelsets are also welcome. (I'm 5'9", 145 lbs.)
Thanks in advance, Ken P.

Lemme get this straight. You wanna shelve perfectly good
hubs (assuming they are) because yer rims are done? I bet
the guy trying to sell you on a new wheelset is looking
for some used hubs.

jeffb

Probably a good guess: "hey! whatcha gonna do with them thar
XTR hubs?? I really could use a pair..."

I used to get lots of stuff from guys upgrading. I never
sold anyone anything just to get their old stuff, but then
I'm just like that.

Mike

Ken Prager said:

The Mavic 517's on my beloved Marin Team Issue won't stay
true anymore and the LBS says they are ready to go. One
mechanic says to just use the old hubs (circa 1998 XTR)
and another says buy a new wheelset.

I'd appreciate it is some of you could offer advice. Also,
opinions on rims/wheelsets are also welcome. (I'm 5'9",
145 lbs.)

Thanks in advance,

Ken P.

If there is nothing wrong with the hubs, save the planet and
reuse them.

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

The Mavic 517's on my beloved Marin Team Issue won't stay
true anymore and the LBS says they are ready to go. One
mechanic says to just use the old hubs (circa 1998 XTR) and
another says buy a new wheelset.

I'd appreciate it is some of you could offer advice. Also,
opinions on rims/wheelsets are also welcome. (I'm 5'9",
145 lbs.)

Rims that won't stay true is not a sign or rims that need
replacing. It is a sign of a wheelbuilder that needs to
be replaced. Nothing wrong with re-using an old hub that
is still in good condition. Just keep the lacing pattern
the same to match the small indentations the spokes made
on the hub.
-----------
Alex

In article <[email hidden]>,

Paul Kopit said:

Ken Prager said:

The Mavic 517's on my beloved Marin Team Issue won't stay
true anymore and the LBS says they are ready to go. One
mechanic says to just use the old hubs (circa 1998 XTR)
and another says buy a new wheelset.

I'd appreciate it is some of you could offer advice.
Also, opinions on rims/wheelsets are also welcome. (I'm
5'9", 145 lbs.)

Thanks in advance,

If they were my wheels, I'd undo the spoke nipples until
1 thread was visible. I'd put in truing stand and see
how badly the wheel was out of true radially and
laterally. If the wheel rolled ok, I'd build it back
with the proper tension. If the rim was wobbly, I'd
change the rim. It doesn't appear that anything is wrong
with your hub or spokes.

The current rims are bulging where the spokes enter. The
mechanic says more will start to bulge and then some of the
spokes will start to pop out.

KP

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jeffbonny said:

So daveornee <[email hidden]> says:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The Mavic 517's on my beloved Marin Team Issue won't
stay true anymore and the LBS says they are ready to
go. One mechanic says to just use the old hubs (circa
1998 XTR) and another says buy a new wheelset. I'd
appreciate it is some of you could offer advice.
Also, opinions on rims/wheelsets are also welcome.
(I'm 5'9", 145 lbs.) Thanks in advance, Ken P.

Lemme get this straight. You wanna shelve perfectly good
hubs (assuming they are) because yer rims are done? I bet
the guy trying to sell you on a new wheelset is looking
for some used hubs.

jeffb

Actually, he was trying to convince me to buy something
like CrossMax.

I really wasn't going for that but did want to check in and
make sure that re-using my current hubs is sane.

Thanks,

KP

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Quoted post said:

Originally posted by Qui Si Parla Ca


Why chuck these really nice hubs??

Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535 vecchios.comvecchios.comOpen ↗ "Ruote convenzionali
costruite eccezionalmente bene"

I guess one would never take into consideration the possibility that the cones could have been screwed on too far/tight, exerting pressure on the ball bearings and cups for prolonged periods of time. (This of course has no detrimental effects on the cups at all and there for would never be considered...)

So Cipher <[email hidden]> says:

Quoted message said:

Qui Si Parla Ca said:

Why chuck these really nice hubs?? Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St. Boulder, CO,
80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com" rel="ugc nofollow noopener">vecchios.comwww.vecchios.comOpen ↗
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente
bene"

I guess one would never take into consideration the
possibility that the cones could have been screwed on too
far/tight, exerting pressure on the ball bearings and cups
for prolonged periods of time. (This of course has no
detrimental effects on the cups at all and there for would
never be considered...)

HUH? Well if you rode poorly adjusted hubs and trashed 'em
why the hell didn't you say so? Or are you "what if-ing"
just to further confuse anyone that might be trying to
answer yer question?

Here ya go pal: If it's broke fix it, if it's trashed
replace it, if it ain't broke use it up.

jeffb

So Cipher <[email hidden]> says:

Quoted message said:

Qui Si Parla Ca said:

Why chuck these really nice hubs?? Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St. Boulder, CO,
80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com" rel="ugc nofollow noopener">vecchios.comwww.vecchios.comOpen ↗
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente
bene"

I guess one would never take into consideration the
possibility that the cones could have been screwed on too
far/tight, exerting pressure on the ball bearings and cups
for prolonged periods of time. (This of course has no
detrimental effects on the cups at all and there for would
never be considered...)

HUH? Well if you rode poorly adjusted hubs and trashed 'em
why the hell didn't you say so? Or are you "what if-ing"
just to further confuse anyone that might be trying to
answer yer question?

Here ya go pal: If it's broke fix it, if it's trashed
replace it, if it ain't broke use it up.

jeffb

Quoted post said:

Originally posted by Jeffbonny
Well if you rode poorly adjusted hubs and trashed 'em
why the hell didn't you say so?
jeffb

Maybe my first bike... (Cut me some slack, I was only 7 years old at the time!!!) 😄

Ken Prager said:

The Mavic 517's on my beloved Marin Team Issue won't stay
true anymore and the LBS says they are ready to go.

What the heck does he mean "They won't stay true anymore". I
have only had a single pair of rims that wouldn't stay true,
and these were heat-treated rims. Once they bent, they NEVER
got true again, because they were just too darned stiff.
Assuming your rims are normal raw aluminum or anodized
aluminum, it should always be possible to pull them true. If
not, you can always cut off all the spokes and jump on the
rim till it's flat (don't laugh, i've done this before.)

i'm thinking that maybe you need either

1. new spoke prep, plus re-true
2. new set of nipples + spoke prep, plus re-true.

Since option #2 is probably about $3 more expensive than
option #1, i'd go with option #2.

- Don Gillies San Diego, CA

Donald Gillies said:

Quoted message said:

The Mavic 517's on my beloved Marin Team Issue won't stay
true anymore and the LBS says they are ready to go.

Well that's basically BS unless they showed you cracks or
kinks from crashing.

Quoted message said:

What the heck does he mean "They won't stay true anymore".
I have only had a single pair of rims that wouldn't stay
true, and these were heat-treated rims. Once they bent,
they NEVER got true again, because they were just too
darned stiff.

No matter how much you heat treat aluminum or work harden
it, it's elasticity does not change. I suspect the
wheelbuilder who made the assessment you express had no idea
of how to true a wobbly wheel, or for that matter, what to
do if a rim gets a non-fatal wow in it. This has nothing to
do with heat treatment.

Quoted message said:

Assuming your rims are normal raw aluminum or anodized
aluminum, it should always be possible to pull them true.
If not, you can always cut off all the spokes and jump on
the rim till it's flat (don't laugh, i've done this
before.)

Ooooh! That hurts. I see you don't understand wheel truing.
THAT is not the way it is done to any reasonable effect and
it's a huge waste of good spokes. Where do you get these
notions. It sounds so macho however.

Quoted message said:

I'm thinking that maybe you need either

Quoted message said:

1. new spoke prep, plus re-true
2. new set of nipples + spoke prep, plus re-true.

Quoted message said:

Since option #2 is probably about $3 more expensive than
option #1, i'd go with option #2.

Both suggestions should go into the trash bin.

Jobst Brandt [email hidden]