NewBalance Rep

Practically everyone is a heel striker. Mind you, read Ozzie G's stuff and see what you think ...
Jonathan "frank-in-toronto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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This wek we have a new balance rep where i work. i spoke a bit with him and mentioned i have a
little pain just under the patella, and once i had bad ITB pain too. the discussion covered that i
am a beginner runner (around 15 or so miles per week) and ball/heel. my running is 50/50 treadmill
or concrete/asphalt.

he said i SHOULD be a heel striker and showed me a new balance running shoe with the wedge shape
at the rear to cushion the heel on strike and the rolling outline of the sole. he said the pain
just under my kneecap probably comes from not enough cushion under the ball in my outdoor
running shoes.

i'll be talking with him more this week and i'll get a recommendation of which new balance shoe
will be for me.

but this heel-striker business has me concerned. it goes against everything i've read. any
thoughts? i don't want to be confrontational with him, i just want to be able to discuss this
issue properly. i don't expect to be a heel striker anyway, but this'll mean his shoe
recommendation isn't worth much to me.

thanks for any advice...thehick

frank-in-toronto said:

This wek we have a new balance rep where i work. i spoke a bit with him and mentioned i have a
little pain just under the patella, and once i had bad ITB pain too. the discussion covered that i
am a beginner runner (around 15 or so miles per week) and ball/heel. my running is 50/50 treadmill
or concrete/asphalt.

he said i SHOULD be a heel striker

Buzzers and bells should be going off in your head. The guy is a jerk, moron, incompetent, or
all three. ANYONE who'd say this is a fool. Omit everything he told you, and go get a pair of
Asics 2080's.

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and showed me a new balance running shoe with the wedge shape at the rear to cushion the heel on
strike and the rolling outline of the sole. he said the pain just under my kneecap probably comes
from not enough cushion under the ball in my outdoor running shoes.

i'll be talking with him more this week and i'll get a recommendation of which new balance shoe
will be for me.

but this heel-striker business has me concerned. it goes against everything i've read. any
thoughts? i don't want to be confrontational with him, i just want to be able to discuss this issue
properly. i don't expect to be a heel striker anyway, but this'll mean his shoe recommendation
isn't worth much to me.

His advice is as useful as any other salesman whose trying to sell you his line of shoes, in other
words it's just BS.

My advice is to re-read your first sentence "a new balance rep" The make is not important, but the
fact he is a rep is and that defines his impartial look at things. He sells shoes. He sells one
brand of shoes. He has an agenda.

--
Joseph E. Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math

"frank-in-toronto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

This wek we have a new balance rep where i work. i spoke a bit with him and mentioned i have a
little pain just under the patella, and once i had bad ITB pain too. the discussion covered that i
am a beginner runner (around 15 or so miles per week) and ball/heel. my running is 50/50 treadmill
or concrete/asphalt.

he said i SHOULD be a heel striker and showed me a new balance running shoe with the wedge shape
at the rear to cushion the heel on strike and the rolling outline of the sole. he said the pain
just under my kneecap probably comes from not enough cushion under the ball in my outdoor
running shoes.

i'll be talking with him more this week and i'll get a recommendation of which new balance shoe
will be for me.

but this heel-striker business has me concerned. it goes against everything i've read. any
thoughts? i don't want to be confrontational with him, i just want to be able to discuss this
issue properly. i don't expect to be a heel striker anyway, but this'll mean his shoe
recommendation isn't worth much to me.

thanks for any advice...thehick

Joseph Meehan said:

My advice is to re-read your first sentence "a new balance rep" The make is not important, but
the fact he is a rep is and that defines his impartial look at things. He sells shoes. He sells
one brand of shoes. He has an agenda.

Joe is ABSOLUTELY correct. When a vacuum cleaner salesman tells you his vac is the only one that'll
work for you, do you believe him?

In article said:

My advice is to re-read your first sentence "a new balance rep" The make is not important, but
the fact he is a rep is and that defines his impartial look at things. He sells shoes. He
sells one brand of shoes. He has an agenda.

So what ? As we all know, every brand of shoe, including NB, has a broad lineup including shoes for
heavy runners, shoes for light runners, shoes for overpronators, etc. The fact that the guy *will*
pick out a NB shoe does not mean that the shoe he picks will be incorrect. Most runners should be
able to find at least one suitable shoe from almost any of the main brands.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

Donovan Rebbechi said:

So what ?

It's a BIG "so what" you moron. The guy has no problems, but this guy is attempting to tell him he
'SHOULD BE' a heel striker, and he has 'just the shoe for him'. That's a big difference from someone
at a store with a huge selection at their disposal. Will he find an adequit shoe in the NB line?
Possibly (but I never have found an NB shoe I could even walk in, nevermind run in) but it won't
neccasarily be the best shoe for him.

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As we all know, every brand of shoe, including NB, has a broad lineup including shoes for heavy
runners, shoes for light runners, shoes for overpronators, etc.

True, but almost all shoes in most brands will have similarities, like the marble-sized lump in my
midfoot I feel whenever I have tried on any pair of NB.

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The fact that the guy *will* pick out a NB shoe does not mean that the shoe he picks will be
incorrect.

Read above, and stop [censored] Rebitchy.

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Most runners should be able to find at least one suitable shoe from almost any of the main brands.

Simply pure BS. Read above.

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Donovan Rebbechi said:

So what ?

It's a BIG "so what" you moron. The guy has no problems, but this guy is attempting to tell him he
'SHOULD BE' a heel striker,

It's certainly no more stupid than blindly recommending the Asics 2080 to everyone.

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and he has 'just the shoe for him'. That's a big difference from someone at a store with a huge
selection at their disposal. Will he find an adequit shoe in the NB line? Possibly (but I never
have found an NB shoe I could even walk in, nevermind run in) but it won't neccasarily be the best
shoe for him.

I'm not even sure what "the best shoe" means. I've worn a number of different shoes in brands
including NB, Mizuno, Saucony and Asics. I wouldn't call any of them "the best" shoe.

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True, but almost all shoes in most brands will have similarities, like

No they don't. For example, it often happens that different lines in the same brand have different
width toe boxes. This can be intentional (as in
NB where they build some shoes on a last with a wide toebox) or it can be a side-effect of the way
the uppers are put together.

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the marble-sized lump in my midfoot I feel whenever I have tried on any pair of NB.

This'll be good -- which models have you tried on ? All of them ?

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

frank-in-toronto said:

but this heel-striker business has me concerned. it goes against everything i've read. any
thoughts? i don't want to be confrontational with him, i just want to be able to discuss this
issue properly. i don't expect to be a heel striker anyway, but this'll mean his shoe
recommendation isn't worth much to me.

Tell him to take off his shoes, run in place, and show how to land on the heel. He can't for any
time worth talking about.

The natural way is to land ball/heel to have the legs absorb the energy.

has the probe of ball heal strike or placement. Try landing below your center of gravity. (cog)
landing on ball there. Temple run.( example. start tread mill at 5 mpr (miles per hour or speed ).
and jog for 10
min. then raise a 1/2 mpr every 5 min. till 7 mpr. and then slowly back down to 5 mpr. ) very your
own time. see if this helps. put incline to 1 up on mill too. or get some thick sole gels and
cut off front part. for heel part. mess with ball area probe get blister. white nylon men sock
under sweat sock might help[ no panty hose now man don't get weird.. try to stay focus. try to
breeth throught the nose in a good rythem like 3/4 this is 3 in throught the nose and 4 out
throught the nose. like sighting a gun and you want to breath in a full. and then slowly hafe
breath out. this well keep you calm to prevent any injuries. tread mill in public places you
well fine alot of spooking to you well be done. try to make you un relaxs for many reasons. try
to stay focus on your goal to learn the right foot placement style and form. like learning to
ride a bike. once you has balance. the skies the limit. good luck.

Donovan Rebbechi said:

In article said:

Donovan Rebbechi said:

So what ?

It's a BIG "so what" you moron. The guy has no problems, but this guy is attempting to tell him
he 'SHOULD BE' a heel striker,

It's certainly no more stupid than blindly recommending the Asics 2080 to everyone.

yeah. that was a good one.

i spoke for about half an hour with him today. he checked my shoes i wear presently (an old nike and
an older reebok racer). we discussed support and, yes, he did recommend a NB model for me to try. I
saw him on the phone trying to get me a pair to go run in. didn't work out as they are out-of-stock
of my size right now.

he actually showed me by the wear on my shoes that i am a heel striker. so, perhaps, for my current
running style and level of fitness and mpw, his recommendation may be ok.

i'll be seeing him again this week. thanks for the advice. ..thehick

Joseph Meehan said:

Do you find that those who change their name every time the leave a message, lack credibility.

I've found recent studys to be very indicative of a thoraxian metacomical poriasis, and sometimes
contrary to the laws of jerubian subcultures. Do you agree? If so you know I am correct.

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Joseph Meehan said:

Do you find that those who change their name every time the leave a message, lack credibility.

Actually quite the opposite is true Joe. You see with so many personalities one of them is bound to
be right, whereas the average joe (nothing personal) only gives one opinion and that's it. I'm doing
you a favor. Lets take a vote, and if anyone objects to this practice I will cease.

Does my changing ID's often annoy, bother, or [censored] you off in any way? Vote Yes or No. I'll wait 3
days before tallying thew results.

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Joseph Meehan said:

Do you find that those who change their name every time the leave a message, lack
credibility.

Actually quite the opposite is true Joe. You see with so many personalities one of them is bound
to be right, whereas the average joe (nothing personal) only gives one opinion and that's it. I'm
doing you a favor. Lets take a vote,

Can I vote multiple times under different ids ? That way, you'll get "many personalities" voting.
Gotta get a consensus, huh ?

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and if anyone objects to this practice I will cease.

I object. Therefore, you will cease, right ?

--
Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

Donovan Rebbechi said:

Can I vote multiple times under different ids ? That way, you'll get "many personalities" voting.
Gotta get a consensus, huh ?

No it doesn't work that way, first off they can't all agree, secondly, your vote doesn't count
whereas mine does.

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and if anyone objects to this practice I will cease.

I object. Therefore, you will cease, right ?

We must wait for the votes to be counted before the majority has spoken. And yes you can vote
multiple times.

Povl H. Pedersen said:

frank-in-toronto said:

but this heel-striker business has me concerned. it goes against everything i've read. any
thoughts? i don't want to be confrontational with him, i just want to be able to discuss this
issue properly. i don't expect to be a heel striker anyway, but this'll mean his shoe
recommendation isn't worth much to me.

Tell him to take off his shoes, run in place, and show how to land on the heel. He can't for any
time worth talking about.

What on earth has running in place got to do with real running???? This argument has as much
relevance as saying that because we heel strike when we walk forwards, heel striking must be the
*only* way to run.

Nonsensical in both cases.

Tim
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Remove the obvious to reply by email.

In article said:

frank-in-toronto said:

This wek we have a new balance rep where i work. i spoke a bit with him and mentioned i have a
little pain just under the patella, and once i had bad ITB pain too. the discussion covered that i
am a beginner runner (around 15 or so miles per week) and ball/heel. my running is 50/50 treadmill
or concrete/asphalt.

he said i SHOULD be a heel striker

Buzzers and bells should be going off in your head. The guy is a jerk, moron, incompetent, or
all three. ANYONE who'd say this is a fool. Omit everything he told you, and go get a pair of
Asics 2080's.

Personally I find the 2080 lacks alot in comparision to the 2070 and I'm staying out of my 2080s.
They just not as nice a shoe.

Only a jogger would find a shoe salesman to be his new Messiah.

Tim Downie said:

Povl H. Pedersen said:

frank-in-toronto said:

but this heel-striker business has me concerned. it goes against everything i've read. any
thoughts? i don't want to be confrontational with him, i just want to be able to discuss this
issue properly. i don't expect to be a heel striker anyway, but this'll mean his shoe
recommendation isn't worth much to me.

Tell him to take off his shoes, run in place, and show how to land on the heel. He can't for any
time worth talking about.

What on earth has running in place got to do with real running???? This argument has as much
relevance as saying that because we heel strike when we walk forwards, heel striking must be the
*only* way to run.

Nonsensical in both cases.

Running in place shows that your body is designed so that it can do pretty good without artificial
shock absorbers.

Try running barefeet then. Is it natural to land on the heel ? You don't have enough cusion there,
so you will often land further forward if the is no tech to counteract nature.