Say Bill - what's that have to do with the US Government? You figure they
ought to bump off every other person so that there's not the desire for
food, housing, transportation and medical care?
I am saddened by what's become of the bay area myself. But I'm not bitter at
those who are trying to have their own life.
That's the way the cookie crumbles. Whe the energy runs out, 90% of the
people on this globe will die. Until then complaining that there's too many
people is merely pissing in the wind. And expressing contempt at the
government for "not doing something" is pretty juvenile isn't it?
"Bill C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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amit said:Tom Kunich said:That means that either we learn to live on the amount of oil we have
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moron,
that's what most people mean when they say we should reduce our
dependence on oil. but bush wants to reduce his dependence on middle
eastern oil, and the first step won't be to look at alternative energy
(solar and stuff), it will be to look for other oil suppliers, which is
good news for alberta, bad news for the environment.
http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/index.html?blog=/tech/htww/2006/02/07/oil_sands/index.html
"Exhibit A: Canada's massive oil-sands deposits. These vast mixtures of
sand and bitumen used to be known by the more accurate name of "tar
sands" until the provincial government decided that moniker was too
dirty. But whatever you call them, they are huge: There are proven
reserves of some 174 billion barrels of oil in the province of Alberta,
giving Canada oil reserves second only to Saudi Arabia."
"Chinese oil companies have already cut three separate deals with
Canadian companies, including one to build a pipeline from Edmonton to
the West Coast. On Jan. 30, India's oil minister announced plans to
invest a billion dollars in Canadian oil-sands production. Since the
SOTU speech, stock prices of Canada's big energy companies have shot up
with a vengeance"
"The larger issue is that extracting oil from Canadian oil sands is
possibly the most environmentally destructive form of mining ever
practiced. High oil prices: good for solar, but also good for the
wiping out hundreds of thousands of acres of pristine boreal forest."
Hey Amit
I'm with you on this one philosophically too. I'm [censored] about US
policy for both security and environmental reasons.
I grew up farming, fishing, hunting, hiking, etc...I was always
outdoors doing something. Now unfortunately a big chunk of our farmland
is buried under an industrial park because my old man's a scumbag, but
even he is protecting some of the familiy's land. The places I loved
best to hunt squirrels, and the mountain trout stream I fished when I
was a kid are buried under houses. The pond I grew up knowing all year
round and loving that had great fishing, especially for kids was
sprayed with massive amounts of pesticides. My grandfather and I spent
a day netting floating fish out of it and transferring them to the
Conneticut river in the hopes of saving some. The mountain where I used
to ride dirtbikes and snowmobiles on the old fireroads is now covered
in $400,000 dollar boxes. The ancient oak tree that has been there
since colonial times, and was a local landmark, has been killed.
Quality of life is related more to things that aren't about creature
conveniences, cheap gadgets, and stupid materialism. You'd think that
cyclists in particular would really understand and feel that, and I
think most do.
John Muir, Thoreau, and Teddy Roosevelt all realised how important
that was too, but my favorite is Aldo Leopold.:
http://www.treelink.org/woodnotes/vol2/no1/sandcnty.htm
Here's some more stuff:
http://www.bigeastern.com/eotp/ep_aldol.htm
Maybe it's got something to do with growing up with [censored] on your
boots, dirt under your nails, and calf slobber on your fingers from
them sucking the salt, but it really can put you in touch with, and
make you love and protect the land.
Bill C
