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Hi All, Just thought I'd share my experiences with some tires I've been using. Panaracer Extreme Duro 700x23. I had been previously been suffering from many flats from sharp wet gravel strewn all over the place. I tried a few different tires, none of which could seem to go more than at most 2 rides before flatting. So far I have about 1500km on these Panaracers in the same wet conditions with no flats. These are a smooth tread tires with an extra thick tread. The casings are pretty supple and the tires have a pretty good feel. A little wooden compared to paper-thin racing tires, but who cares? One thing they have in abundance is grip. It is amazing. Cornering wet or dry is great. I find I have been cornering extra fast just for the fun of it. Anyone looking for narrow smooth tread durable tires should consider these. Joseph

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Email address hidden
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8 March 2008, 10:15 UTC #1

Hi All,
Just thought I'd share my experiences with some tires I've been using.
Panaracer Extreme Duro 700x23.
I had been previously been suffering from many flats from sharp wet
gravel strewn all over the place. I tried a few different tires, none
of which could seem to go more than at most 2 rides before flatting.
So far I have about 1500km on these Panaracers in the same wet
conditions with no flats.
These are a smooth tread tires with an extra thick tread. The casings
are pretty supple and the tires have a pretty good feel. A little
wooden compared to paper-thin racing tires, but who cares? One thing
they have in abundance is grip. It is amazing. Cornering wet or dry is
great. I find I have been cornering extra fast just for the fun of it.
Anyone looking for narrow smooth tread durable tires should consider
these.
Joseph

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Michael Baldwin
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8 March 2008, 12:26 UTC #2

Quoted message said:
Hi All,
Just thought I'd share my experiences with some tires I've
been using.
Panaracer Extreme Duro 700x23.
Anyone looking for narrow smooth tread durable tires should consider
these.
Joseph
Joseph, I keep hearing/reading good things about Panaracer tires in
general, thanks for sharing.
Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

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Andrew Price
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8 March 2008, 19:46 UTC #3

On Sat, 8 Mar 2008 02:15:05 -0800 (PST),
"[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:
[---]
Quoted message said:
Anyone looking for narrow smooth tread durable tires should consider
these.
How much do they weigh?

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Tom Sherman
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8 March 2008, 20:03 UTC #4

Andrew Price said:
On Sat, 8 Mar 2008 02:15:05 -0800 (PST),
"[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:
[---]
Quoted message said:
Anyone looking for narrow smooth tread durable tires should consider
these.
How much do they weigh?
To little information in the question to provide an answer, since the
local value of gravity was not specified.
To avoid this issue in the future, please ask what the mass of the tires is.
Hope this helps,
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

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Ozark Bicycle
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8 March 2008, 20:21 UTC #5

On Mar 8, 2:03 pm, Tom Sherman <[email hidden]>
Quoted message said:
Andrew Price said:
On Sat, 8 Mar 2008 02:15:05 -0800 (PST),
"[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:
Quoted message said:
[---]
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Anyone looking for narrow smooth tread durable tires should consider
these.
Quoted message said:
How much do they weigh?
To little information in the question to provide an answer, since the
local value of gravity was not specified.
To avoid this issue in the future, please ask what the mass of the tires is.
Hope this helps,
Mock the weight weenies at your peril, knave! At the moment, no issue
in all of cycling carries more weight than weight itself. Someday, the
weight of weight will be outweighed by the trend to "12 speed", but
for that we must wait.

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Tom Sherman
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8 March 2008, 20:30 UTC #6

Ozark Bicycle said:
On Mar 8, 2:03 pm, Tom Sherman <[email hidden]>
Quoted message said:
Andrew Price said:
On Sat, 8 Mar 2008 02:15:05 -0800 (PST),
"[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:
[---]
> Anyone looking for narrow smooth tread durable tires should consider
> these.
How much do they weigh?
To little information in the question to provide an answer, since the
local value of gravity was not specified.
To avoid this issue in the future, please ask what the mass of the tires is.
Hope this helps,
Mock the weight weenies at your peril, knave! At the moment, no issue
in all of cycling carries more weight than weight itself. Someday, the
weight of weight will be outweighed by the trend to "12 speed", but
for that we must wait.

Hey, I upgraded to 12-speed in 1982 when I bought a Peugeot P-8 from
Andrew Muzi.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

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Email address hidden
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8 March 2008, 20:30 UTC #7

On Mar 8, 9:03 pm, Tom Sherman <[email hidden]>
Quoted message said:
Andrew Price said:
On Sat, 8 Mar 2008 02:15:05 -0800 (PST),
"[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:
Quoted message said:
[---]
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Anyone looking for narrow smooth tread durable tires should consider
these.
Quoted message said:
How much do they weigh?
To little information in the question to provide an answer, since the
local value of gravity was not specified.
To avoid this issue in the future, please ask what the mass of the tires is.
Hope this helps,
I don't know how much they weigh at your latitude, but at mine the
difference between weight and mass are well within the tolerance of my
cheap scale! 240g.
Joseph

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Tom Sherman
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8 March 2008, 20:39 UTC #8

aka Joseph Santaniello said:
On Mar 8, 9:03 pm, Tom Sherman <[email hidden]>
Quoted message said:
Andrew Price said:
On Sat, 8 Mar 2008 02:15:05 -0800 (PST),
"[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:
[---]
> Anyone looking for narrow smooth tread durable tires should consider
> these.
How much do they weigh?

To little information in the question to provide an answer, since the
local value of gravity was not specified.
To avoid this issue in the future, please ask what the mass of the tires is.
Hope this helps,
I don't know how much they weigh at your latitude, but at mine the
difference between weight and mass are well within the tolerance of my
cheap scale! 240g.

Due to the moon, gravity will vary during at a fixed location. For about
$50K, one can get a nice gravity meter to verify this.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

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Email address hidden
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8 March 2008, 20:43 UTC #9

On Mar 8, 9:39 pm, Tom Sherman <[email hidden]>
Quoted message said:
aka Joseph Santaniello said:
On Mar 8, 9:03 pm, Tom Sherman <[email hidden]>
Quoted message said:
Andrew Price wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Mar 2008 02:15:05 -0800 (PST),
> "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> [---]
>> Anyone looking for narrow smooth tread durable tires should consider
>> these.
> How much do they weigh?
To little information in the question to provide an answer, since the
local value of gravity was not specified.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
To avoid this issue in the future, please ask what the mass of the tires is.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Hope this helps,
Quoted message said:
I don't know how much they weigh at your latitude, but at mine the
difference between weight and mass are well within the tolerance of my
cheap scale! 240g.
Due to the moon, gravity will vary during at a fixed location. For about
$50K, one can get a nice gravity meter to verify this.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
I'd have to sell my dowsing stick collection take make room in my
shed. No can do.
Joseph

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A Muzi
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8 March 2008, 20:45 UTC #10

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Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> [---]
>> Anyone looking for narrow smooth tread durable tires should consider
>> these.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Andrew Price wrote:
> How much do they weigh?
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Tom Sherman said:
To little information in the question to provide an answer, since the
local value of gravity was not specified.
To avoid this issue in the future, please ask what the mass of the
tires is.
Hope this helps,
Quoted message said:
Ozark Bicycle said:
Mock the weight weenies at your peril, knave! At the moment, no issue
in all of cycling carries more weight than weight itself. Someday, the
weight of weight will be outweighed by the trend to "12 speed", but
for that we must wait.
Tom Sherman said:
Hey, I upgraded to 12-speed in 1982 when I bought a Peugeot P-8 from
Andrew Muzi.
The 'killer app' of its era!
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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Michael Baldwin
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8 March 2008, 21:30 UTC #11

Tom Sherman writes
Quoted message said:
For about $50K, one can get a nice gravity meter
to verify this.
...guess what my 2¢ nerd meter says...
Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

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Andrew Price
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8 March 2008, 21:31 UTC #12

Tom Sherman said:
Quoted message said:
How much do they weigh?
To little information in the question to provide an answer, since the
local value of gravity was not specified.
To avoid this issue in the future, please ask what the mass of the tires is.
Hope this helps,
It may do, but only if I have Pedant Flakes (© Tim McNamara) for
breakfast tomorrow morning ...

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Andrew Price
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8 March 2008, 21:36 UTC #13

On Sat, 8 Mar 2008 12:30:44 -0800 (PST),
Quoted post said:
I don't know how much they weigh at your latitude, but at mine the
difference between weight and mass are well within the tolerance of my
cheap scale! 240g.
Thanks - I'll assume that for all practical purposes, the difference
between weight and mass in Paris is the same as in Oslo!

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Email address hidden
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9 March 2008, 07:26 UTC #14

Andrew Price said:
On Sat, 8 Mar 2008 12:30:44 -0800 (PST),
Quoted post said:
I don't know how much they weigh at your latitude, but at mine the
difference between weight and mass are well within the tolerance of my
cheap scale! 240g.
Thanks - I'll assume that for all practical purposes, the difference
between weight and mass in Paris is the same as in Oslo!
That of course depends upon how fast you ride!
I think these would make great urban tires for anyone looking for a 23
(the come in 25 too it seems).
Joseph

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Tom Sherman
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9 March 2008, 08:35 UTC #15

aka Joseph Santaniello said:
Andrew Price said:
On Sat, 8 Mar 2008 12:30:44 -0800 (PST),
Quoted post said:
I don't know how much they weigh at your latitude, but at mine the
difference between weight and mass are well within the tolerance of my
cheap scale! 240g.

Thanks - I'll assume that for all practical purposes, the difference
between weight and mass in Paris is the same as in Oslo!
That of course depends upon how fast you ride!

[...]
Yes indeed, since mass increases with velocity.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

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Andrew Price
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9 March 2008, 09:34 UTC #16

Tom Sherman said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Thanks - I'll assume that for all practical purposes, the difference
between weight and mass in Paris is the same as in Oslo!
That of course depends upon how fast you ride!

[...]
Yes indeed, since mass increases with velocity.
Looks like I need to borrow Michael Baldwin's 2¢ nerd meter ...

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Email address hidden
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9 March 2008, 12:45 UTC #17

Andrew Price said:
On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 03:35:00 -0500, Tom Sherman
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> Thanks - I'll assume that for all practical purposes, the difference
> between weight and mass in Paris is the same as in Oslo!
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
That of course depends upon how fast you ride!

[...]
Quoted message said:
Yes indeed, since mass increases with velocity.
Looks like I need to borrow Michael Baldwin's 2¢ nerd meter ...
Usenet, physics jokes, bicycles, Saturday night? You need equipment to
figure out we're nerds?
Joseph

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Michael Press
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9 March 2008, 23:34 UTC #18

In article <[email hidden]>,
Andrew Price said:
Tom Sherman said:
Quoted message said:
> Thanks - I'll assume that for all practical purposes, the difference
> between weight and mass in Paris is the same as in Oslo!
That of course depends upon how fast you ride!

[...]
Yes indeed, since mass increases with velocity.
Looks like I need to borrow Michael Baldwin's 2¢ nerd meter ...
Actually, mass does not increase with velocity.
Furthermore, velocity is a vector quantity,
so one should use the term `speed.'
One of the problems with relativistic mass increase
is that the derived inertial mass is no longer
equal to gravitational mass.
<http://stason.org/TULARC/education-books/startrek-relativity-FTL/1-5-1-Rest-Mass-versus-Observed-Mass-Special-Relativity.html>
The observed mass concept doesn't really work here, and
we see that it's better to simply argue that the mass
isn't really increasing, but rather the equations for
energy and momentum are different than expressed by
Newtonian physics.
So, "observed mass" has its uses, but physicists today
rarely use the concept in practice. Rather, an object
is said to have a rest mass (which truly is its
inherent internal energy) as well as an energy due to
its motion with respect to an observer (kinetic energy)
which come together to produce its total energy, E.
--
Michael Press

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Camilo
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9 March 2008, 23:51 UTC #19

Michael Press said:
In article <[email hidden]>,
Andrew Price said:
On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 03:35:00 -0500, Tom Sherman
<[email hidden]> wrote:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
>> Thanks - I'll assume that for all practical purposes, the difference
>> between weight and mass in Paris is the same as in Oslo!
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> That of course depends upon how fast you ride!
[...]
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Yes indeed, since mass increases with velocity.
Quoted message said:
Looks like I need to borrow Michael Baldwin's 2¢ nerd meter ...
Actually, mass does not increase with velocity.
Furthermore, velocity is a vector quantity,
so one should use the term `speed.'
One of the problems with relativistic mass increase
is that the derived inertial mass is no longer
equal to gravitational mass.
<http://stason.org/TULARC/education-books/startrek-relativity-FTL/1-5-...>
The observed mass concept doesn't really work here, and
we see that it's better to simply argue that the mass
isn't really increasing, but rather the equations for
energy and momentum are different than expressed by
Newtonian physics.
So, "observed mass" has its uses, but physicists today
rarely use the concept in practice. Rather, an object
is said to have a rest mass (which truly is its
inherent internal energy) as well as an energy due to
its motion with respect to an observer (kinetic energy)
which come together to produce its total energy, E.
--
Michael Press
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